MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[John Gleich]

Stout destroys River Falls 78-53

[bgbacker]

Platteville leads by 15 ar half ... EC catches up at 53-53 ... then PV gets hot again and pulls away to win 74-67. EC 2 for 25 from 3 pt range ,,,, Skemp tossed from the gym early in the second half! Anyone know what he said or did to get escorted out of the building??!

[stcroix]

Comment and a question:

Comment:  It appears Mr Helland had trouble shooting.  I have followed the kid since his freshman year in HS and I don't think I have ever seen numbers that poor for him.

Question:  For Stoutguy; What happened to Steve Pax?  He was in the line up quite a bit early in the season and I haven't seen in a box score for weeks.  Has he left the program?  If so, its too bad.  I think he has the talent to make some noise his junior and senior year.

[wcbsas]

Oshkosh shoots 10/19 (53%) from 3... half of their buckets were 3's as they shoot 20/42 (48%) for the game from the field.  Point made 4/8(50%) and 24/45 from the field (53%)

Point ended up with 8 steals on 13 Oshkosh turnovers.  Oshkosh with just 2 on only 6 Pointer turnovers for the game.

Ross Foreman played 3 minutes ... had zero's across the stat sheet.  He's been added to the roster albeit with no picture or bio.

Although UWSP played 12 guys ... 6 of the 12 played 4 minutes or less.  Basically it was a 6 man rotation.    Krull and Hoezel both had extremely quiet nights with a combined 2pts, 3 reb and 3assts over 51 minutes played.

When does Dan Tillema return?

[phoenix_rising]

Comment and a question:

Comment:  It appears Mr Helland had trouble shooting.  I have followed the kid since his freshman year in HS and I don't think I have ever seen numbers that poor for him.

What kind of defense did they play against him? Often, Smith is getting double-teamed. Was Helland a decoy, allowing Smith to play? Helland played 31 minutes, according to the box. I guess my strategy would be to play them on opposite sides of the net and let the opponents figure out who to cover. If Roeder had been playing his part, Superior should have gotten a win. It appears Dustin Ritchie was off his game, as well. I don't mind if good players are, essentially, neutralized as long as the remaining players pick up the slack. That didn't appear to happen last night. The strategy of playing decoys works only when the freed-up players have an impact.

[John Gleich]

Oshkosh shoots 10/19 (53%) from 3... half of their buckets were 3's as they shoot 20/42 (48%) for the game from the field.  Point made 4/8(50%) and 24/45 from the field (53%)

Point ended up with 8 steals on 13 Oshkosh turnovers.  Oshkosh with just 2 on only 6 Pointer turnovers for the game.

Ross Foreman played 3 minutes ... had zero's across the stat sheet.  He's been added to the roster albeit with no picture or bio.

Although UWSP played 12 guys ... 6 of the 12 played 4 minutes or less.  Basically it was a 6 man rotation.    Krull and Hoezel both had extremely quiet nights with a combined 2pts, 3 reb and 3assts over 51 minutes played.

When does Dan Tillema return?

Actually, I think Dan Forman got a foul... so he officially got in the stat sheet (other than just minutes played!).

Last night's game was a grind... and Oshkosh was switching in and out of a zone.  I think down the stretch, Coach Semling had the guys in that he wanted and went with them. 

The radio guys remarked that the 5 who played the bulk of the second half had played for quite a while...  But this was the same for Oshosh too.

Oshkosh did some pretty good things in trying to negate Point's advantages.  In going zone, they by and large negated the inside looks and drastically cut down on Point's offensive rebounding possibilities... in large part due to Hoelzel's absense from the floor.  While he might have added some defensive (and rebounding) spark, he might have become a liabilty on the offensive end, especially when free throws were needed down the stretch. 

One thing to note... Oshkosh got 11 second chance points in the second half and this was almost the downfall for Point.  Oshosh got just 6 offensive rebounds... and 5 of those were in the second half.  They scored on 4 of the second opportunities.  That can be so demoralizing for a defense... you finally get a stop, but you can't finish it by securing a rebound.  It also puts extra pressure on your offense.

Krull has taken an interesting roll this year.  He's Point's leading assist guy, and he isn't scoring much... but it was he who forced a turnover on D.J. Marsh with 7 seconds to go in the game and Oshkosh down 2.  From what I've heard, he's really turned on the defensive pressure and though he can score, he's distributing the ball well from the forward position.  That's a much different proposition than if it was coming from a guard, because it's often from a different angle, and it means that the off-the-ball defenders have to work hard even when their guy doesn't have the ball.

Dan Tillema is probably going to be out another 2 weeks, at least, from what I've heard.  I don't know exactly how long it would take to rehab... but it would be nice to have him available for the Whitewater game on the 27th.

[wcbsas]

Oshkosh shoots 10/19 (53%) from 3... half of their buckets were 3's as they shoot 20/42 (48%) for the game from the field.  Point made 4/8(50%) and 24/45 from the field (53%)

Point ended up with 8 steals on 13 Oshkosh turnovers.  Oshkosh with just 2 on only 6 Pointer turnovers for the game.

Ross Foreman played 3 minutes ... had zero's across the stat sheet.  He's been added to the roster albeit with no picture or bio.

Although UWSP played 12 guys ... 6 of the 12 played 4 minutes or less.  Basically it was a 6 man rotation.    Krull and Hoezel both had extremely quiet nights with a combined 2pts, 3 reb and 3assts over 51 minutes played.

When does Dan Tillema return?

Actually, I think Dan Forman got a foul... so he officially got in the stat sheet (other than just minutes played!).

Last night's game was a grind... and Oshkosh was switching in and out of a zone.  I think down the stretch, Coach Semling had the guys in that he wanted and went with them. 

The radio guys remarked that the 5 who played the bulk of the second half had played for quite a while...  But this was the same for Oshosh too.

Oshkosh did some pretty good things in trying to negate Point's advantages.  In going zone, they by and large negated the inside looks and drastically cut down on Point's offensive rebounding possibilities... in large part due to Hoelzel's absense from the floor.  While he might have added some defensive (and rebounding) spark, he might have become a liabilty on the offensive end, especially when free throws were needed down the stretch. 

One thing to note... Oshkosh got 11 second chance points in the second half and this was almost the downfall for Point.  Oshosh got just 6 offensive rebounds... and 5 of those were in the second half.  They scored on 4 of the second opportunities.  That can be so demoralizing for a defense... you finally get a stop, but you can't finish it by securing a rebound.  It also puts extra pressure on your offense.

Krull has taken an interesting roll this year.  He's Point's leading assist guy, and he isn't scoring much... but it was he who forced a turnover on D.J. Marsh with 7 seconds to go in the game and Oshkosh down 2.  From what I've heard, he's really turned on the defensive pressure and though he can score, he's distributing the ball well from the forward position.  That's a much different proposition than if it was coming from a guard, because it's often from a different angle, and it means that the off-the-ball defenders have to work hard even when their guy doesn't have the ball.

Dan Tillema is probably going to be out another 2 weeks, at least, from what I've heard.  I don't know exactly how long it would take to rehab... but it would be nice to have him available for the Whitewater game on the 27th.

Thanks for the update PS!

[cubs]

Made the trip over to Point last night for the UWO/Pointer game....  

First of all I was VERY impressed with the class shown by the Pointer game staff.  During the under 16:00 media timeout thety made a point of announcing that DJ Marsh had surpassed the 1500 point plateau after a basket early in the game.  Not something you expect to hear about at the visitor's gym.  Kudos to the Pointer faithful who gave a nice applause following the announcement.

-Surprised with how deep Semling went into his rotation in the first half.  It seemed everytime you looked he was sending someone different to the scorer's table.  I said to a buddy I was with that most of them probably wouldn't see the floor in the second half, and I was right, as I believe Point only went seven (maybe eight) deep in the second half.

-Thought UWO would have played more zone in the second half, especially with the amount of foul trouble they were in.  Contrary to what Point Special heard on the radio station, I don't remember UWO going zone, until a little under the 4:00 mark.  

-Thought after UWO cut it to 68-67 with 0:28 left, that they would have taken Marsh, Schrimpf, and Washington off the floor since they all had four fouls and did the offense/defense substitutions.  Instead Schrimpf fouls out and it proves costly the next trip down the floor.  Marsh drives to the hoop and two other defenders provide help and collapse on him essentially triple teaming him and causing a travel violation.  If Schrimpf is still in the game, I doubt his defender leaves him as Point didn't leave him all night.

-The second half of the game was the best I have seen Oshkosh play all year.  If they can carry that part of it over, they will win a few more games than I thought a couple weeks ago.  However, they also could have a letdown after playing well enough to win, but coming up short.  It will be intersting to see what hapopens.

[John Gleich]

Nice recap!

Made the trip over to Point last night for the UWO/Pointer game....  

First of all I was VERY impressed with the class shown by the Pointer game staff.  During the under 16:00 media timeout thety made a point of announcing that DJ Marsh had surpassed the 1500 point plateau after a basket early in the game.  Not something you expect to hear about at the visitor's gym.  Kudos to the Pointer faithful who gave a nice applause following the announcement.

Well, Marsh had scored a bundle of those points in Quandt... I think they said that he averaged 26 coming into last night's game.

-Surprised with how deep Semling went into his rotation in the first half.  It seemed everytime you looked he was sending someone different to the scorer's table.  I said to a buddy I was with that most of them probably wouldn't see the floor in the second half, and I was right, as I believe Point only went seven (maybe eight) deep in the second half.

Point has so many different guys who are capable, I think that Sem might try to get them PT... and see who is hot on a particular night.  I know that in the past, the second half tends to be solidified to just a few players, unless situations warrant otherwise (foul trouble, big lead, etc).

-Thought UWO would have played more zone in the second half, especially with the amount of foul trouble they were in.  Contrary to what Point Special heard on the radio station, I don't remember UWO going zone, until a little under the 4:00 mark.  

I just remember them mentioning it a few times... they didn't necessarily mention when they would get OUT of the zone, so I had to make the assumption.  It would make sense that they would pop in to it for a possession and then pop out... to  make the offense have to adjust.

-Thought after UWO cut it to 68-67 with 0:28 left, that they would have taken Marsh, Schrimpf, and Washington off the floor since they all had four fouls and did the offense/defense substitutions.  Instead Schrimpf fouls out and it proves costly the next trip down the floor.  Marsh drives to the hoop and two other defenders provide help and collapse on him essentially triple teaming him and causing a travel violation.  If Schrimpf is still in the game, I doubt his defender leaves him as Point didn't leave him all night.

The only thing I can think of in terms of why he didn't do that is because of timeouts (or lack there of).  I seem to remember Oshkosh taking their last timeout (I think) under a minute... Post game stats don't show timeouts... oh, but I did live updates!  I'll reduce some of the superfluous info...  But I'll also paste in the items from the stat sheet...

63-62 Point leads with 2:37 to go.  Marsh takes it up and Krull gets called for the foul on the shot.  his second.  makes both FT's  64-63 Oshy lead.
02:21  UWSP  FOUL by Krull,Nick (2)
02:21  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWSP 63 - UWO 63 Tied
02:21  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWO 64 - UWSP 63 (UWO by 1)

Hurd gets called for an offensive foul on a drive.  Titan ball up 1 with under 2
02:06  UWSP  FOUL by Hurd,Louis (5)
02:06  UWSP  TURNOVR by Hurd,Louis

*Timeout Oshkosh 

10 on the shot clock for Oshkosh, to inbound.  Jenkins gets called for a pushing foul, Marsh to shoot 2.  Jenkin's 4th.
*Marsh misses the first.  makes the 2nd.  1:28 to go, Oshkosh leads 65-63.
01:35  UWSP  FOUL by Jenkins,Jared (4)
01:35  UWO  MISSED FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J.
01:35  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWO 65 - UWSP 63 (UWO by 2)

*And Hurd hits a 3 for Point 66-65 Point leads, timeout Point.  Both teams have 1 TO left. 
01:06  UWSP  GOOD! 3 PTR by Hurd,Louis UWSP 66 - UWO 65 (UWSP by 1)
  ASSIST by Harris,Jerrel

1:01 to go in the game.  Point up 1 66-65.  Oshkosh ball.

Marsh gets triple teamed and he misses, ball gets tipped, Point secures and Moses gets the board and gets fouled.
00:43  UWO  MISSED JUMPER by Marsh, D.J.
  REBOUND (OFF) by Washington, Brian
00:41  UWO  MISSED LAYUP by Washington, Brian
  REBOUND (DEF) by Moses,Matt
00:41  UWO  FOUL by Flanigan, John (1)

Moses makes the first  67-65.  one to go.  :39.1  Mose makes  the second  68-65.
00:41  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 67 - UWO 65 (UWSP by 2)
00:41  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 68 - UWO 65 (UWSP by 3)

Schrimpf gets an open look for 3 and he misses, on the rebound, *Moses gets called for the foul on Marsh.  Moses' 2nd.

Marsh makes the first and the second.  *Timeout Titans, their last. :26.5  68-67 Pointer lead with the ball. 
00:29  UWO  MISSED 3 PTR by Schrimpf, Greg
  REBOUND (OFF) by Marsh, D.J.
00:26  UWSP  FOUL by Moses,Matt (2)
00:26  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWSP 68 - UWO 66 (UWSP by 2)
00:26  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWSP 68 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 1)

Moses gets the ball and he drives right to the basket and is fouled.  *Schrimpf, he fouls out.

Moses makes the first, misses the second.  69-67 Pointer lead. 
00:18  UWO  FOUL by Schrimpf, Greg (5)
00:18  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 69 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 2)
00:18  UWSP  MISSED FT SHOT by Moses,Matt
  REBOUND (DEF) by Washington, Brian

And Marsh travels as Krull cuts him off as he tries to drive :06.2, Pointer ball
00:07  UWO  TURNOVR by Marsh, D.J.

And Harris gets the inbound.  and is fouled.  :04.7, Harris on the line for 2.
Makes the first.  70-67 Point  one to go
And he makes it 71-67. 
00:05  UWO  FOUL by Wittwer, Cory (3)
00:05  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Harris,Jerrel UWSP 70 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 3)
00:05  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Harris,Jerrel UWSP 71 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 4)

And Oshkosh throws it away on the inbound to Moses.  :02.7 to go, and Marsh fouls, he fouls out with 22 points.
00:01  UWO  TURNOVR by Washington, Brian
00:01  UWSP  STEAL by Moses,Matt
00:01  UWO  FOUL by Marsh, D.J. (5)

Moses on the line for 2.  makes both 73-67.
00:01  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 72 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 5)
00:01  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 73 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 6)

Half court heave misses.  Oshkosh gave Point all they had, including 10-19 from 3.

Some thoughts about the end of the game (noted by the *'s...)

With under 2 minutes and a 1 point lead, Oshkosh waited until there were 10 seconds on the shot clock to call a timeout.  In my opinion, they waited too long.  Perhaps they just wanted to set up an out of bounds play... but what if it gets taken away and you have to just throw it in deep over the top?  Suddenly, that guy has to make a move, right now, or you're in danger of a shot clock violation.  I feel like they should have called it earlier rather than later, to give themselves a chance if something went amiss. 

I have similar feelings about when you start to take your move/play for a last shot (not before 11 seconds, but if you wait until 8 seconds, you don't give yourself enough time to recover if something goes wrong... 11 seconds also gives you a chance of a tip in if you end up taking your shot at about 4 or 5, which likely isn't possible if you start at 8 and take your shot at 3.  Starting at 11 (shot at 4 or 5) doesn't give the defense enough time to get a rebound and get off a decent shot.  But I digress...

Oshy got it in and Marsh got fouled.  He went to the line for 2 and missed the first, made the second.  It's hard to fault Oshkosh on their FT shooting (17-19) but that was a key moment to miss.

On the ensuing possession, Hurd nails a 3 to take a 1 point lead with 1:06.  Point called a timeout... now both teams have 1 remaining.

After running some clock, Marsh takes on the world and shoots over a triple team.  He misses and Washington tries to get a tip but misses... and Moses secures with :41.  He's on the line for 2 and makes them both.  Point up 3 with :41

On the next possession, Schrimpf gets a wide open look from 3 (he'd already nailed 3, but was left open... any insight as to how he got that open Cubs or anybody else at the game?), Marsh gets the rebound and gets fouled by Moses with :26.  Marsh makes both, Point up one... and Oshkosh calls timeout.

This is the answer as to why Oshkosh didn't go offense/defense... they didn't have any timeouts left and couldn't have stopped the clock, no matter what Point did on their offensive possession.  This timeout, along with the one with 10 seconds on the shot clock show some... interesting clock management and had a huge impact on the outcome, I think.  I don't know that Oshkosh needed to call the second to last TO just to have D.J. Marsh drive and get fouled, unless they ran something specific for him (again, not there, just speculation).

What's more baffling to me is that, on the ensuing Pointer offensive possession, Matt Moses was able to drive right in to the basket.  Oshkosh might have been in a zone here, I'm not sure... so that's where the breakdown might have been... but with under :30, down one, you'd think that a team would want to stop the ball.

Schrimpf fouled out when Moses drove (the Point radio guys thought it should have been intentional, as, apparently, did Semling from their report).

But Oshkosh still had life because Moses made 1/2.  So with 18 seconds, Oshkosh got the rebound, down 2. 

I was thinking (though I don't think I actually typed it as I was doing the updates) that it would be the team who got the last defensive stop would win the game.

Oshkosh got one with just over 2 minutes with Oshy up one when Hurd was called for a charge.  But Marsh was only able to make 1/2 FT's, so they didn't make it a 3 point game and Hurd hit a 3 to take the lead.  Then Point got a stop with :43 (though Oshkosh almost got the tip in).  Two Marsh FT's cut it to one and Moses didn't seal in on the line (1/2 FT's)... and then Marsh was turned over, as Krull stepped in and caused the travel with 7 seconds.

FT's sealed it... but it was a great game to listen to.

And to that end,

-The second half of the game was the best I have seen Oshkosh play all year.  If they can carry that part of it over, they will win a few more games than I thought a couple weeks ago.  However, they also could have a letdown after playing well enough to win, but coming up short.  It will be intersting to see what hapopens.

I would agree.  I think Oshkosh always plays up for SP for some reason... maybe it's the bigger crowds, maybe Van Dellen just have Point "figured out" better than other teams, I don't know... but Oshkosh gave Point their best shot and almost won it.  It took some great effort on Point's part to get the W and keep pace with Whitewater.

[Blue Devil Backer]

Question:  For Stoutguy; What happened to Steve Pax?  He was in the line up quite a bit early in the season and I haven't seen in a box score for weeks.  Has he left the program?  If so, its too bad.  I think he has the talent to make some noise his junior and senior year.


HE tore his knee in the sunday game of the Turkey shootout and goes under the knief Friday

[frodotwo]

Nice recap!

Made the trip over to Point last night for the UWO/Pointer game....  

First of all I was VERY impressed with the class shown by the Pointer game staff.  During the under 16:00 media timeout thety made a point of announcing that DJ Marsh had surpassed the 1500 point plateau after a basket early in the game.  Not something you expect to hear about at the visitor's gym.  Kudos to the Pointer faithful who gave a nice applause following the announcement.

Well, Marsh had scored a bundle of those points in Quandt... I think they said that he averaged 26 coming into last night's game.

-Surprised with how deep Semling went into his rotation in the first half.  It seemed everytime you looked he was sending someone different to the scorer's table.  I said to a buddy I was with that most of them probably wouldn't see the floor in the second half, and I was right, as I believe Point only went seven (maybe eight) deep in the second half.

Point has so many different guys who are capable, I think that Sem might try to get them PT... and see who is hot on a particular night.  I know that in the past, the second half tends to be solidified to just a few players, unless situations warrant otherwise (foul trouble, big lead, etc).

-Thought UWO would have played more zone in the second half, especially with the amount of foul trouble they were in.  Contrary to what Point Special heard on the radio station, I don't remember UWO going zone, until a little under the 4:00 mark.  

I just remember them mentioning it a few times... they didn't necessarily mention when they would get OUT of the zone, so I had to make the assumption.  It would make sense that they would pop in to it for a possession and then pop out... to  make the offense have to adjust.

-Thought after UWO cut it to 68-67 with 0:28 left, that they would have taken Marsh, Schrimpf, and Washington off the floor since they all had four fouls and did the offense/defense substitutions.  Instead Schrimpf fouls out and it proves costly the next trip down the floor.  Marsh drives to the hoop and two other defenders provide help and collapse on him essentially triple teaming him and causing a travel violation.  If Schrimpf is still in the game, I doubt his defender leaves him as Point didn't leave him all night.

The only thing I can think of in terms of why he didn't do that is because of timeouts (or lack there of).  I seem to remember Oshkosh taking their last timeout (I think) under a minute... Post game stats don't show timeouts... oh, but I did live updates!  I'll reduce some of the superfluous info...  But I'll also paste in the items from the stat sheet...

63-62 Point leads with 2:37 to go.  Marsh takes it up and Krull gets called for the foul on the shot.  his second.  makes both FT's  64-63 Oshy lead.
02:21  UWSP  FOUL by Krull,Nick (2)
02:21  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWSP 63 - UWO 63 Tied
02:21  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWO 64 - UWSP 63 (UWO by 1)

Hurd gets called for an offensive foul on a drive.  Titan ball up 1 with under 2
02:06  UWSP  FOUL by Hurd,Louis (5)
02:06  UWSP  TURNOVR by Hurd,Louis

*Timeout Oshkosh 

10 on the shot clock for Oshkosh, to inbound.  Jenkins gets called for a pushing foul, Marsh to shoot 2.  Jenkin's 4th.
*Marsh misses the first.  makes the 2nd.  1:28 to go, Oshkosh leads 65-63.
01:35  UWSP  FOUL by Jenkins,Jared (4)
01:35  UWO  MISSED FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J.
01:35  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWO 65 - UWSP 63 (UWO by 2)

*And Hurd hits a 3 for Point 66-65 Point leads, timeout Point.  Both teams have 1 TO left. 
01:06  UWSP  GOOD! 3 PTR by Hurd,Louis UWSP 66 - UWO 65 (UWSP by 1)
  ASSIST by Harris,Jerrel

1:01 to go in the game.  Point up 1 66-65.  Oshkosh ball.

Marsh gets triple teamed and he misses, ball gets tipped, Point secures and Moses gets the board and gets fouled.
00:43  UWO  MISSED JUMPER by Marsh, D.J.
  REBOUND (OFF) by Washington, Brian
00:41  UWO  MISSED LAYUP by Washington, Brian
  REBOUND (DEF) by Moses,Matt
00:41  UWO  FOUL by Flanigan, John (1)

Moses makes the first  67-65.  one to go.  :39.1  Mose makes  the second  68-65.
00:41  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 67 - UWO 65 (UWSP by 2)
00:41  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 68 - UWO 65 (UWSP by 3)

Schrimpf gets an open look for 3 and he misses, on the rebound, *Moses gets called for the foul on Marsh.  Moses' 2nd.

Marsh makes the first and the second.  *Timeout Titans, their last. :26.5  68-67 Pointer lead with the ball. 
00:29  UWO  MISSED 3 PTR by Schrimpf, Greg
  REBOUND (OFF) by Marsh, D.J.
00:26  UWSP  FOUL by Moses,Matt (2)
00:26  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWSP 68 - UWO 66 (UWSP by 2)
00:26  UWO  GOOD! FT SHOT by Marsh, D.J. UWSP 68 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 1)

Moses gets the ball and he drives right to the basket and is fouled.  *Schrimpf, he fouls out.

Moses makes the first, misses the second.  69-67 Pointer lead. 
00:18  UWO  FOUL by Schrimpf, Greg (5)
00:18  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 69 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 2)
00:18  UWSP  MISSED FT SHOT by Moses,Matt
  REBOUND (DEF) by Washington, Brian

And Marsh travels as Krull cuts him off as he tries to drive :06.2, Pointer ball
00:07  UWO  TURNOVR by Marsh, D.J.

And Harris gets the inbound.  and is fouled.  :04.7, Harris on the line for 2.
Makes the first.  70-67 Point  one to go
And he makes it 71-67. 
00:05  UWO  FOUL by Wittwer, Cory (3)
00:05  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Harris,Jerrel UWSP 70 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 3)
00:05  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Harris,Jerrel UWSP 71 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 4)

And Oshkosh throws it away on the inbound to Moses.  :02.7 to go, and Marsh fouls, he fouls out with 22 points.
00:01  UWO  TURNOVR by Washington, Brian
00:01  UWSP  STEAL by Moses,Matt
00:01  UWO  FOUL by Marsh, D.J. (5)

Moses on the line for 2.  makes both 73-67.
00:01  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 72 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 5)
00:01  UWSP  GOOD! FT SHOT by Moses,Matt UWSP 73 - UWO 67 (UWSP by 6)

Half court heave misses.  Oshkosh gave Point all they had, including 10-19 from 3.

Some thoughts about the end of the game (noted by the *'s...)

With under 2 minutes and a 1 point lead, Oshkosh waited until there were 10 seconds on the shot clock to call a timeout.  In my opinion, they waited too long.  Perhaps they just wanted to set up an out of bounds play... but what if it gets taken away and you have to just throw it in deep over the top?  Suddenly, that guy has to make a move, right now, or you're in danger of a shot clock violation.  I feel like they should have called it earlier rather than later, to give themselves a chance if something went amiss. 

I have similar feelings about when you start to take your move/play for a last shot (not before 11 seconds, but if you wait until 8 seconds, you don't give yourself enough time to recover if something goes wrong... 11 seconds also gives you a chance of a tip in if you end up taking your shot at about 4 or 5, which likely isn't possible if you start at 8 and take your shot at 3.  Starting at 11 (shot at 4 or 5) doesn't give the defense enough time to get a rebound and get off a decent shot.  But I digress...

Oshy got it in and Marsh got fouled.  He went to the line for 2 and missed the first, made the second.  It's hard to fault Oshkosh on their FT shooting (17-19) but that was a key moment to miss.

On the ensuing possession, Hurd nails a 3 to take a 1 point lead with 1:06.  Point called a timeout... now both teams have 1 remaining.

After running some clock, Marsh takes on the world and shoots over a triple team.  He misses and Washington tries to get a tip but misses... and Moses secures with :41.  He's on the line for 2 and makes them both.  Point up 3 with :41

On the next possession, Schrimpf gets a wide open look from 3 (he'd already nailed 3, but was left open... any insight as to how he got that open Cubs or anybody else at the game?), Marsh gets the rebound and gets fouled by Moses with :26.  Marsh makes both, Point up one... and Oshkosh calls timeout.

This is the answer as to why Oshkosh didn't go offense/defense... they didn't have any timeouts left and couldn't have stopped the clock, no matter what Point did on their offensive possession.  This timeout, along with the one with 10 seconds on the shot clock show some... interesting clock management and had a huge impact on the outcome, I think.  I don't know that Oshkosh needed to call the second to last TO just to have D.J. Marsh drive and get fouled, unless they ran something specific for him (again, not there, just speculation).

What's more baffling to me is that, on the ensuing Pointer offensive possession, Matt Moses was able to drive right in to the basket.  Oshkosh might have been in a zone here, I'm not sure... so that's where the breakdown might have been... but with under :30, down one, you'd think that a team would want to stop the ball.

Schrimpf fouled out when Moses drove (the Point radio guys thought it should have been intentional, as, apparently, did Semling from their report).

But Oshkosh still had life because Moses made 1/2.  So with 18 seconds, Oshkosh got the rebound, down 2. 

I was thinking (though I don't think I actually typed it as I was doing the updates) that it would be the team who got the last defensive stop would win the game.

Oshkosh got one with just over 2 minutes with Oshy up one when Hurd was called for a charge.  But Marsh was only able to make 1/2 FT's, so they didn't make it a 3 point game and Hurd hit a 3 to take the lead.  Then Point got a stop with :43 (though Oshkosh almost got the tip in).  Two Marsh FT's cut it to one and Moses didn't seal in on the line (1/2 FT's)... and then Marsh was turned over, as Krull stepped in and caused the travel with 7 seconds.

FT's sealed it... but it was a great game to listen to.

And to that end,

-The second half of the game was the best I have seen Oshkosh play all year.  If they can carry that part of it over, they will win a few more games than I thought a couple weeks ago.  However, they also could have a letdown after playing well enough to win, but coming up short.  It will be intersting to see what hapopens.

I would agree.  I think Oshkosh always plays up for SP for some reason... maybe it's the bigger crowds, maybe Van Dellen just have Point "figured out" better than other teams, I don't know... but Oshkosh gave Point their best shot and almost won it.  It took some great effort on Point's part to get the W and keep pace with Whitewater.

Oshkosh went to the zone 7-8 times in the game. At one point Giordana was inserted as a zone buster, but didn't get a shot. Schrimpf was able to scrape his man off on numerous screens and just nailed everything it seemed. On his 5th foul it certainly did look like it should have been intentional as he was behind  Moses who was going unimpeded to the basket on a clear out and grabbed him without even a motion of going for the ball. Oshkosh got a lot of confidence early in the game and it carried over throughout. They certainly did not play like a .500 team!

[cubs]

With under 2 minutes and a 1 point lead, Oshkosh waited until there were 10 seconds on the shot clock to call a timeout.

If I recall correctly, this timeout was called after a UWO player was trapped in the corner.  If not for the trap, I doubt a timeout is even used. 

On the ensuing possession, Hurd nails a 3 to take a 1 point lead with 1:06.  Point called a timeout... now both teams have 1 remaining.

Point actually did a nice job job of "stretching" out UWO's zone this possession.  Hurd got a GREAT look, and knocked it down.

On the next possession, Schrimpf gets a wide open look from 3 (he'd already nailed 3, but was left open... any insight as to how he got that open Cubs or anybody else at the game?), Marsh gets the rebound and gets fouled by Moses with :26.  Marsh makes both, Point up one... and Oshkosh calls timeout.

IIRC, they ran him off a nice baseline double screen.  I believe Moses was the defendeer and did a nice job fighting through the first screen, but the second screen was solid.  I believe it was Washington who absolutely layed the wood to him.

This is the answer as to why Oshkosh didn't go offense/defense... they didn't have any timeouts left and couldn't have stopped the clock, no matter what Point did on their offensive possession. 

If they are going to foul, the clock is going to stop anyway.  Sub them back in during the free throw attempts.

What's more baffling to me is that, on the ensuing Pointer offensive possession, Matt Moses was able to drive right in to the basket.  Oshkosh might have been in a zone here, I'm not sure... so that's where the breakdown might have been... but with under :30, down one, you'd think that a team would want to stop the ball.

Schrimpf fouled out when Moses drove (the Point radio guys thought it should have been intentional, as, apparently, did Semling from their report).

Point broke UWO's press, which gave Moses a clear lane to the hoop.  Schrimpf had to foul from behind, which may have made it appear worse that it actually was.  It was also right in front of the Pointer bench.

[John Gleich]

With under 2 minutes and a 1 point lead, Oshkosh waited until there were 10 seconds on the shot clock to call a timeout.

If I recall correctly, this timeout was called after a UWO player was trapped in the corner.  If not for the trap, I doubt a timeout is even used. 

Ah, ok... that makes a ton more sense.

On the next possession, Schrimpf gets a wide open look from 3 (he'd already nailed 3, but was left open... any insight as to how he got that open Cubs or anybody else at the game?), Marsh gets the rebound and gets fouled by Moses with :26.  Marsh makes both, Point up one... and Oshkosh calls timeout.

IIRC, they ran him off a nice baseline double screen.  I believe Moses was the defendeer and did a nice job fighting through the first screen, but the second screen was solid.  I believe it was Washington who absolutely layed the wood to him.

Gosh, I love a good screen.  One of the areas that most teams just simply don't do well. 

Sounds like they ran a great play and got the ball in the hands of who they wanted. 

This is the answer as to why Oshkosh didn't go offense/defense... they didn't have any timeouts left and couldn't have stopped the clock, no matter what Point did on their offensive possession. 

If they are going to foul, the clock is going to stop anyway.  Sub them back in during the free throw attempts.

That makes lots more sense now.  I hadn't fully looked at the situation.  Oshkosh, down one, under :30 seconds.  Of course they aren't just going to foul off the inbound... they want to play defense and try to get the steal first, then foul.

What's more baffling to me is that, on the ensuing Pointer offensive possession, Matt Moses was able to drive right in to the basket.  Oshkosh might have been in a zone here, I'm not sure... so that's where the breakdown might have been... but with under :30, down one, you'd think that a team would want to stop the ball.

Schrimpf fouled out when Moses drove (the Point radio guys thought it should have been intentional, as, apparently, did Semling from their report).

Point broke UWO's press, which gave Moses a clear lane to the hoop.  Schrimpf had to foul from behind, which may have made it appear worse that it actually was.  It was also right in front of the Pointer bench.

I also hadn't realized that Oshkosh was pressing, which led to Moses getting the free lane to the basket (seeing through the eyes of the radio guys is usually good... but I didn't get the full picture, obviously!).

It's one of those gray area fouls, I think... he probably did mean to foul him (the same way that teams intentionally foul at the end of a game to extend it and give themselves a chance), but it's rarely called.  The fact that it was on essentially a breakaway potentially helped the case for the intentional foul (called much more often in those situations) but the game would have certainly gotten out of reach at that point (which it technically wasn't already with the simple shooting foul called).

Thanks for the clarification... I appreciate it!

[John Gleich]

Here are the updated non-conference results through 1/9:

WIAC (60-17)  .779

...vs D-III (50-12)  .806

         West Region  (30-8)

    ...vs UMAC (9-1)
         ...vs St. Scholastica (4-0)
         ...vs Northland (2-0)
         ...vs Northwestern (2-0)
         ...vs Crown (1-0)
         ...vs Martin Luther (0-1)

    ...vs MIAC (6-4)  
         ...vs St. John's (1-2)      
         ...vs St Thomas (1-1)    
         ...vs Macalaster (1-0)    
         ...vs Gustavus Adolphus (1-0)    
         ...vs Mt St Marys (1-0)
         ...vs Bethel (1-0)
         ...vs Augsburg (0-1)

    ...vs NWC (7-3)    
         ...vs Puget Sound (2-1)    
         ...vs Whitworth (1-2)    
         ...vs Whitman (1-0)      
         ...vs George Fox (1-0)    
         ...vs Pacific Lutheran (1-0)    
         ...vs Lewis and Clark (1-0)    

    ...vs IIAC (5-0)  
         ...vs Wartburg (1-0)
         ...vs Loras (1-0)    
         ...vs Simpson (1-0)  
         ...vs Coe (1-0)
         ...vs Buena Vista (1-0)

    ...vs Independent (2-0)     (3 games remain)
         ...vs Finlandia (3-0)      (2 remain, 1 vs. Eau Claire 1/30, 1 vs. Superior 2/2)

         Midwest Region (18-4)*

    ...vs MWC (5-1)  
         ...vs St. Norbert (0-1)
         ...vs Lawrence (2-0)    
         ...vs Grinnell (1-0)    
         ...vs Carroll (2-0)    

    ...vs HCAC (0-1)  (correction... not regional for Platteville)
         ...vs Anderson (0-1)

    ...vs NathCon (8-1)  
         ...vs Aurora (2-0)
         ...vs Concordia (WI) (1-0)
         ...vs Wisconsin Lutheran (3-0)    
         ...vs Edgewood (1-0)    
         ...vs Marian (1-0)    
         ...vs MSOE (0-1)  

    ...vs CCIW (5-1)  
         ...vs Carthage (1-1)
         ...vs Elmhurst (2-0)    
         ...vs Augustana (1-0)    
         ...vs North Park (1-0)    

         South Region (2-0)*

    ...vs ASC (2-0)    
         ...vs Mary Hardin-Baylor (1-0)  
         ...vs Hardin-Simmons (1-0)  

...vs NAIA-I (1-1)    

    ...vs Lewis-Clark St. (1-0)  
    ...vs Westminster (Ut) (0-1)    

...vs NAIA-II (8-3)     (1 games remain)

    ...vs Viterbo (5-0)      
    ...vs Clarke (IA) (1-0)
    ...vs Waldorf (1-0)
    ...vs Sioux Falls University (0-1)  
    ...vs Silver Lake (1-0)     (1 remains, vs. Oshkosh 2/20)
    ...vs Dakota Wesleyan (0-1)    
    ...vs Mount Mercy (0-1)

...vs NCAA-II (1-1)

    ...vs Minnesota Duluth (1-0)
    ...vs Winona St (0-1)

*(regional games under administrative regions)

Remaining Non-con schedule


01/30/10 UW-Eau Claire  @ Finlandia (MI)
02/02/10 Finlandia (MI)  @ UW-Superior
02/20/10 Silver Lake  @ UW-Oshkosh


All 3 of these games should be W's for the WIAC, which would bring the D-III record to 52-12 (.8125) and overall to 63-17 (.7875).

[John Gleich]

Any recaps from last night's games?