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The Roop

Quote from: pickleshiner on March 10, 2010, 08:25:29 PM
Personally I don't think any team remaining in the Sweet 16 should get to host and it should be neutral but that's just me.

The NCAA doesn't allow off campus games until the Final Four. Besides, neutral site games in DIII are notorious money pits. Just out of curiosity, where would you hold this weekends games instead of Point ??
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Quote from: The Roop on March 10, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: pickleshiner on March 10, 2010, 08:25:29 PM
Personally I don't think any team remaining in the Sweet 16 should get to host and it should be neutral but that's just me.

The NCAA doesn't allow off campus games until the Final Four. Besides, neutral site games in DIII are notorious money pits. Just out of curiosity, where would you hold this weekends games instead of Point ??

What about Kolf in Oshkosh? A little more centrally located between Stevens Point and Carthage. The Appleton airport is 30min. away, so a shorter drive from the airport to the venue for Texas-Dallas. Plus Kolf can seat 5,500+ so no one would be turned away and they wouldn't have to clear the place out between games.

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I've found without excel, its real tedius.  With excel, I really only have to du tr - td - /tr - /td just once, hold the mouse button down & scroll down...then  just copy & paste those columns.  Pretty easy for me.
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Keep in mind that the NCAA would be paying for 4 teams to travel instead of 3. Probably should have mentioned that in my last post.........................

Kolf would solve the seating issues but would as many Point fans attend as they would for a home game ??
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Quote from: The Roop on March 10, 2010, 09:43:07 PM
Keep in mind that the NCAA would be paying for 4 teams to travel instead of 3. Probably should have mentioned that in my last post.........................

Kolf would solve the seating issues but would as many Point fans attend as they would for a home game ??

Plus, not every regional site would have a convenient neutral site nearby like UWSP does with UWO. Plus, the host school puts in a ton of work behind the scenes to run everything, and to do that off site would be a logistical nightmare. While it may not be fair to have home-court advantage, it's an earned right and makes the atmosphere great.

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There hasn't exactly been a lot of schools clamoring to host neutral sectionals, either.
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Quote from: pickleshiner on March 10, 2010, 08:25:29 PM
It's certainly not going to be an easy task for Point but I just can't see them not going to the final 4.  I know there's some great teams coming to the Quandt but it's such a huge advantage at this point to be playing at home.  Personally I don't think any team remaining in the Sweet 16 should get to host and it should be neutral but that's just me.  Either Way I love the Pointers and can't complain about them having the advantage.  I know were still playing this year but I'm curious to hear what people think about next year.  Will Point be able to overcome the loss of Moses?  He is such a solid defensive player and seems to always come up huge when needed.  I think Harris has so much upside if he can get a little stronger and learn to use a pull up jumpshot.  He always gets that step by the defender and sometimes I wish he would just do a runner or do a jump stop and hit the jumper.  I'm a huge Krull fan and think he's the most underrated Pointer by far.  He always plays with so much intensity and is a great defender.  I was very impressed the way he defender Hostetter in the WIAC semi's.  Tillema will have to really step it up next year if they want to get this far again or they will need a big time transfer or recruit at guard.  Anyone know if Ziemer is going to play at Point next year or if he's even still in school?

I think what Matt has provided this year has been to be the go-to guy in tight situations.  Someone will need to step up to be that guy.  I think it could be Lou Hurd, could be Jenkins, could be Dan T., could be Harris.  Point doesn't have to replace much next year, but they will need to replace the leadership of Moses and to be honest, they're going to miss Ross Forman.  Ross has made numerous hustle plays and gotten key defensive rebounds.

But I don't really want to talk about that right now... Let's focus on the present! 

First off...

Quote from: UWBadgers on March 10, 2010, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: The Roop on March 10, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: pickleshiner on March 10, 2010, 08:25:29 PM
Personally I don't think any team remaining in the Sweet 16 should get to host and it should be neutral but that's just me.

The NCAA doesn't allow off campus games until the Final Four. Besides, neutral site games in DIII are notorious money pits. Just out of curiosity, where would you hold this weekends games instead of Point ??

What about Kolf in Oshkosh? A little more centrally located between Stevens Point and Carthage. The Appleton airport is 30min. away, so a shorter drive from the airport to the venue for Texas-Dallas. Plus Kolf can seat 5,500+ so no one would be turned away and they wouldn't have to clear the place out between games.

Oshkosh can't fill Kolf.  What makes you think that UWSP would?  Frankly, Point didn't completely fill the Quandt last weekend.  They will this weekend... but there's a lot more of a chance that 2600 Point fans will show up in Stevens Point than they would driving an hour and 15 minutes east.  Heck, lots of Point fans make that trip annually... but only just a few more than the diehards who make the trip to La Crosse or Whitewater. 


Anyway, back to Point...

Point has a game on Friday against a solid opponent who got all the way to the Elite 8 last year.  We can think and talk about how any team not in the bracket of death really wasn't worth their salt, yada, yada, yada... but the fact of the matter is that they've won NCAA games.  No matter who the opponent is, they've got experience in big games.  And last year's experience for Point wouldn't have helped them if Sutherland sidesteps Jenkins and nails a leaning 15 footer in game 1.

But for as good as you need to be in the NCAA tournament, you need to be lucky too.  You need to put yourself in the position to be able to make unbelievable plays... if Albert Magnus doesn't compose themselves and inbound the ball after suddenly seeing a potential game-winning shot sink with 1.6 seconds, then they don't have a chance to heave a half court shot to survive to round 2. 

But anyway... let's look at some numbers for the teams this weekend.


   Team   Off Eff   Def Eff   Poss/Gm   Off PPG   Def PPG   SOS   
   Point   114.6   92.1   129.2   74.0   59.4   11   
   UT-D   115.4   97.4   136.2   78.3   66.6   128   
   Carth   116.9   100.8   128.3   74.8   64.8   29   
   IWU   112.4   101.1   135.3   75.6   68.8   23   


This shows how per-game point stats can be deceiving.  Point looks like the best defensive team but the worst offensive team.  In actuality, all of these teams are very efficient offensive teams.  Heck, they wouldn't be here if they couldn't score.

The SOS disparity between Point and the CCIW schools is basically negligible I think... the 12 and 18 school difference out of 404 is just between 3 and 5 percentage points different... But again, at this point in the season, it really just gets down to possessions... Who will make the most of enough possessions and will waste the fewest?  Who will be able to put themselves in the position to either make the big stop or score or will be able to put together a run and hold on to a lead?

All told, I think that this weekend is going to have some very enjoyable games.  I think that Point has the best defense and this, along with a little boost from being at home will carry them through and help them win two games and get back to Salem.  I think the same thing that happened to Mary-Hardin Baylor against Wheaton will happen for UT-Dallas against Point... the discipline and consistent play will wear down UT-D and Point will win by double digits.  I think IWU/Carthage will be a battle as it has been the previous 3 times.  I think Carthage will prevail because of Steve D... but that's partially because I'm interested to see Point go against him (by him, I mean Carthage... but that match up seems to be the key one in the game for sure).  I foresee that potential Point/Carthage game to be a grind, probably in the mid to low 60's max. 

If IWU beats Carthage... that would be interesting too.  They're a team that's similar to UT-Dallas in style, from the looks of it... so the game could play out very similar, except that I think IWU is better than UT-Dallas.  Either way, neither of these games is going to be a cake walk and whichever team wins two this weekend will definitely EARN their trip to Salem!
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Titan Q

Quote from: PointSpecial on March 10, 2010, 10:50:16 PM

If IWU beats Carthage... that would be interesting too.  They're a team that's similar to UT-Dallas

I've never seen UT-Dallas play, but on paper, I don't think they look similar to IWU...mainly due to low-post personnel.  Here is that link I posted a few days ago with probable starters:

http://www.iwuhoops.com/notes10.htm

In 6-7/225 junior Doug Sexauer (15.6 ppg, .624 FG), IWU has a pure back-to-the-basket star in the low post.  Doug is as polished as any D3 center out there this season...he is a load on the blocks.  For the 10 minutes or so Sexauer is not in the game, IWU has 6-9/275 sophomore center Ryan Connolly (6.5 ppg, .562 FG) in there.  "Big Country" is a work-in-progress as a college basketball player, but he is enormous and is also extremely skilled around the hoop.  In other words, for 40 minutes, IWU has a player in the low post that defenses have to work very hard to handle. 

In the post, UT-Dallas starts 6-6 Chris Barnes and 6-5 Jordan Eppink.  From looking at stats, it appears both are more face-the-basket players.  Barnes has shot 134 3's on the season and Eppink 61.  I'm guessing neither is anywhere near the back-to-basket threat the Sexauer/Connolly platoon is.

It looks to me like IWU is much more balanced, in terms of outside/inside play.



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Here's how I go about making a table using excel.  Below is what you should view on your excel spreadsheet.  This is assuming you have a basic knowledge of excel.

1.)  Type in your information you want into your excel spreadsheet.  For example, I'll use some players, the teams they play for and made up numbers.


   PLAYER      TEAM      PTS   
   Marsh      Oshkosh      24.9   
   Smith      Superior      19.7   
   Mane      La Crosse      18.8   
   Moses      Stevens Point      17.6   


2.)  After that, you want to insert columns in your spreadsheet so you can add the tabs for rows and columns. 

   inserted      PLAYER      inserted      TEAM      inserted      PTS   
         Marsh            Oshkosh            24.9   
         Smith            Superior            19.7   
         Mane            La Crosse            18.8   
         Moses            Stevens Point            17.6   



3.) Next, you want to add your tabs.  Remember, your basic 1-row, 2-column table would look like this :

[tr ] [td ] information [/td ][td ] information [/td ][/tr ]

So, in the first column you've added, you would type in [tr ][td ].  This signifies the 1st part of the row and 1st part of the 1st column.  In the other column, you want to type in [/td ][td ].  This signifies the 2nd part of the 1st column and the 1st part of the 2nd column.  Got that?  In the last column, you type in [/td ][/tr ].  This signifies the 2nd part of the last column of information and the 2nd part of the row you just made.

   [tr ][td ]      PLAYER      [/td ][td ]      TEAM      copied      PTS      [/td ][/tr ]   
   scroll      Marsh      [/td ][td ]      Oshkosh      column      24.9      [/td ][/tr ]   
   down      Smith      [/td ][td ]      Superior      [/td ][td ]      19.7      [/td ][/tr ]   
   to copy      Mane      [/td ][td ]      La Crosse      [/td ][td ]      18.8      [/td ][/tr ]   
   [tr ][td ]      Moses      [/td ][td ]      Stevens Point      [/td ][td ]      17.6      [/td ][/tr ]   

4.)  Lastly, you want to tab the table:  [table ] [/table ].  Copy and paste your table from excel in between your table tabs and then it should come out all pretty!

   PLAYER      TEAM      PTS   
   Marsh      Oshkosh      24.9   
   Smith      Superior      19.7   
   Mane      La Crosse      18.8   
   Moses      Stevens Point      17.6   


Once you've made your [tr ][td ], [/td ][td ] and [/td ][/tr ] columns and scrolled down and copied as many rows as you want, it's just copying and pasting and you basically never have to type in those columns again.  If you look at a post and "quote" it, it looks like it would take forever to make that table.  For me, aside from updating standings, picks and stats, the tables take about 5 minutes to complete, even those big tables.
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The Roop

Here's a stat more revealing...............................

Point is 0-1 when Roop wears a Beloit shirt. 1-0 when not wearing a Beloit shirt.

                   What shall this weekends attire be ??
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Greek Tragedy

Beloit shirt or not, with your body frame, I hope you don't reveal too much!  :o >:( ;D :D ;) :)
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Ouch.............. That's a bench technical. LOL  ;)

Not that it would ever be called in Quandt.
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Quote from: Titan Q on March 10, 2010, 11:10:33 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on March 10, 2010, 10:50:16 PM

If IWU beats Carthage... that would be interesting too.  They're a team that's similar to UT-Dallas

I've never seen UT-Dallas play, but on paper, I don't think they look similar to IWU...mainly due to low-post personnel.  Here is that link I posted a few days ago with probable starters:

http://www.iwuhoops.com/notes10.htm

In 6-7/225 junior Doug Sexauer (15.6 ppg, .624 FG), IWU has a pure back-to-the-basket star in the low post.  Doug is as polished as any D3 center out there this season...he is a load on the blocks.  For the 10 minutes or so Sexauer is not in the game, IWU has 6-9/275 sophomore center Ryan Connolly (6.5 ppg, .562 FG) in there.  "Big Country" is a work-in-progress as a college basketball player, but he is enormous and is also extremely skilled around the hoop.  In other words, for 40 minutes, IWU has a player in the low post that defenses have to work very hard to handle. 

In the post, UT-Dallas starts 6-6 Chris Barnes and 6-5 Jordan Eppink.  From looking at stats, it appears both are more face-the-basket players.  Barnes has shot 134 3's on the season and Eppink 61.  I'm guessing neither is anywhere near the back-to-basket threat the Sexauer/Connolly platoon is.

It looks to me like IWU is much more balanced, in terms of outside/inside play.



Hmm...  You know, I don't think I meant what I said when I posted that last night.  Perhaps I was going for pace (in terms of possessions per game... those two have the highest number of possessions per game of the four teams this weekend.  I'll have to go back and see if I can figure out what I meant!)
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Quote from: pickleshiner on March 10, 2010, 08:25:29 PM
Anyone know if Ziemer is going to play at Point next year or if he's even still in school?

It's my understanding that both Gregory and Ziemer are going to Oshkosh.
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