MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[cubs]

I don't think Randall would leave for that exact reason.....  He can stay at Point for another year, and be the leading candidate for the Point job when/IF Semling looks to move up the coaching ranks.

[Greek Tragedy]

4. Jenkins at times was UWSP's best player on the court.  I think playing two sports (that conflict somewhat) is easier when you are the 2nd or 3rd guy.  But Jenkins is arguably the best returning player on this team, in someways their most important player and to not have him available until mid-November will hurt chemistry, leadership and unity.  Plus the injury factor.

I'm not sure why you or anyone else, for that matter, would think this hurts chemistry, leadership or unity.  None of that seemed to be a factor last year.  The only factor is injury and if the football team goes deep into the playoffs.  He's not a rotten egg and I don't think anyone thinks he's "better" than anyone else because he comes in after football season and just starts playing.  He played in the 2nd game of the season and came off the bench for a couple of games before, deservedly, getting a starting spot.  He's a star football player as well.  Had he just been a "role" player on the football team, I'd hope he would forego football and just play basketball.  But, he's an important part of the football team as well and i'td be unfair to ask him to do one or the other, especially in his senior year.

Is there someone closer to the program that can say he's been a sore spot to the team or any of his teammates?  I think the Pointer coaching staff has been very important in getting players to be unselfish and play team ball and have a level head.  If there was any discontent amongst players or if one player was getting "too big" for the team, the coaches would address it and I'm sure they've addressed it in the past. 

[Greek Tragedy]

I think our resident Oshkosh fan, cubs, should talk to DJ Marsh to see if he was nominated to the all-star game at the Final Four.  Maybe since he's a senior and done with school, he can post himself!    It'd be interesting to hear from him and also to see if he had other opportunities or committments that prevented him from going out to Salem.  The guy is a stud and the all-star game would've been a good game for him to see him play since there wasn't much defense.  Maybe some high flying moves were in store!

[Just Bill]

Not referring to Jenkins specifically, but similar situations I've encountered...

It can be a problem when the player makes the jump from the fall sport to the winter sport the FIRST time.  The winter sport guys have been together for a certain period of time and depending how good the addition is, they might fell threatened or the new player might struggle to assimilate.  The guys on the team simply haven't had a chance to get to know the new guy.

But honestly, once a team and player have gone through it once, it's a non-factor. The guys on the team know him, they know he's coming back and they know once he shakes off the rust he will assume his role on the team.

At this point in Jenkins' career it's a non-issue.

[BDB]

I'm still giddy about the Pointers coming home with a championship!  What an awesome weekend.

Old School,

Where's the picture of you holding this years' championship trophy right after the game  (with the official guy looking on with concern) like you posted last time? 

[Pat Coleman]

I think our resident Oshkosh fan, cubs, should talk to DJ Marsh to see if he was nominated to the all-star game at the Final Four.  Maybe since he's a senior and done with school, he can post himself!    It'd be interesting to hear from him and also to see if he had other opportunities or committments that prevented him from going out to Salem.  The guy is a stud and the all-star game would've been a good game for him to see him play since there wasn't much defense.  Maybe some high flying moves were in store!

I'm probably violating some unspoken agreement by saying this, but I was told by the NABC folks that Marsh wasn't nominated.

[Gregory Sager]

4. Jenkins at times was UWSP's best player on the court.  I think playing two sports (that conflict somewhat) is easier when you are the 2nd or 3rd guy.  But Jenkins is arguably the best returning player on this team, in someways their most important player and to not have him available until mid-November will hurt chemistry, leadership and unity.  Plus the injury factor.

I'm not sure why you or anyone else, for that matter, would think this hurts chemistry, leadership or unity.  None of that seemed to be a factor last year.  The only factor is injury and if the football team goes deep into the playoffs.  He's not a rotten egg and I don't think anyone thinks he's "better" than anyone else because he comes in after football season and just starts playing.  He played in the 2nd game of the season and came off the bench for a couple of games before, deservedly, getting a starting spot.  He's a star football player as well.  Had he just been a "role" player on the football team, I'd hope he would forego football and just play basketball.  But, he's an important part of the football team as well and i'td be unfair to ask him to do one or the other, especially in his senior year.

I watched several Pointers games during their tournament run this month, and a couple of times it was brought up by broadcasters that Jenkins is a standout punter and wide receiver on the UWSP football team and that he might have an NFL future as a punter. I don't know how valid a speculation that is; I noticed that Jenkins didn't make any of the four levels of the d3football.com All-America team last season, and one would think that any D3 athlete who has a chance of playing at the highest level would make the All-America team in his particular sport. (I noticed that he did make the AFCA D3 All-America team as a punter, though.) Then again, given Jenkins' undeniable athletic ability, perhaps it would be the means to get him a free-agent invite to an NFL camp regardless of his omission from the d3football.com All-America team.

I remember similar speculation about Carthage's Rob Garnes in the early part of the last decade. He was an outstanding small forward for Carthage (one of a tiny handful of players in CCIW basketball history who made the All-CCIW first team all four seasons in their careers), and a pretty good wide receiver as well (second-team All-CCIW as a freshman, first-team All-CCIW as a sophomore). He eventually gave up football to focus upon basketball, but there was talk in CCIW circles that even though he was a much more dominant player on the hardwood than on the gridiron, his ceiling as an athlete was higher in football. After all, how many 6'4 wide receivers have hops like that, or that kind of superb hand-eye coordination? In other words, the success level a multi-sport athlete has in one sport over another in college doesn't necessarily correspond to the sport in which he has the best potential future as a pro.

At any rate, this speculation during the broadcasts makes me wonder if Jenkins doesn't have a potential future in pro football equal to or greater than a potential future in pro basketball. Since I have never seen him play football, I'm completely agnostic on the issue. I simply mention it because, as I said, it came up more than once during the broadcasts of the various UWSP tournament games.

[phoenix_rising]

Small voice from the peanut gallery:
Have finally seen recruitment ads for men's basketball head coaching position at UWSoup. Requirement is for a masters degree, which Flora might have. I see he was a grad assistant for a basketball team, which leads me to believe he was doing graduate classes; I don't see mention of a graduate degree.

Thank you for listening. Hope I haven't repeated something someone else wrote a week ago; if so, consider this a moot point.

[Gregory Sager]

Small voice from the peanut gallery:
Have finally seen recruitment ads for men's basketball head coaching position at UWSoup. Requirement is for a masters degree, which Flora might have. I see he was a grad assistant for a basketball team, which leads me to believe he was doing graduate classes; I don't see mention of a graduate degree.

A master's degree is a vital piece of a person's resume. If you don't see one in a person's bio -- including that of a coach -- you can almost assume that the person doesn't have one.

I can't think of a single example of a coach who has a master's degree who didn't/doesn't have it listed on his or her webpage on the team's site.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

4. Jenkins at times was UWSP's best player on the court.  I think playing two sports (that conflict somewhat) is easier when you are the 2nd or 3rd guy.  But Jenkins is arguably the best returning player on this team, in someways their most important player and to not have him available until mid-November will hurt chemistry, leadership and unity.  Plus the injury factor.

I'm not sure why you or anyone else, for that matter, would think this hurts chemistry, leadership or unity.  None of that seemed to be a factor last year.  The only factor is injury and if the football team goes deep into the playoffs.  He's not a rotten egg and I don't think anyone thinks he's "better" than anyone else because he comes in after football season and just starts playing.  He played in the 2nd game of the season and came off the bench for a couple of games before, deservedly, getting a starting spot.  He's a star football player as well.  Had he just been a "role" player on the football team, I'd hope he would forego football and just play basketball.  But, he's an important part of the football team as well and i'td be unfair to ask him to do one or the other, especially in his senior year.

I watched several Pointers games during their tournament run this month, and a couple of times it was brought up by broadcasters that Jenkins is a standout punter and wide receiver on the UWSP football team and that he might have an NFL future as a punter. I don't know how valid a speculation that is; I noticed that Jenkins didn't make any of the four levels of the d3football.com All-America team last season, and one would think that any D3 athlete who has a chance of playing at the highest level would make the All-America team in his particular sport. (I noticed that he did make the AFCA D3 All-America team as a punter, though.) Then again, given Jenkins' undeniable athletic ability, perhaps it would be the means to get him a free-agent invite to an NFL camp regardless of his omission from the d3football.com All-America team.

I remember similar speculation about Carthage's Rob Garnes in the early part of the last decade. He was an outstanding small forward for Carthage (one of a tiny handful of players in CCIW basketball history who made the All-CCIW first team all four seasons in their careers), and a pretty good wide receiver as well (second-team All-CCIW as a freshman, first-team All-CCIW as a sophomore). He eventually gave up football to focus upon basketball, but there was talk in CCIW circles that even though he was a much more dominant player on the hardwood than on the gridiron, his ceiling as an athlete was higher in football. After all, how many 6'4 wide receivers have hops like that, or that kind of superb hand-eye coordination? In other words, the success level a multi-sport athlete has in one sport over another in college doesn't necessarily correspond to the sport in which he has the best potential future as a pro.

At any rate, this speculation during the broadcasts makes me wonder if Jenkins doesn't have a potential future in pro football equal to or greater than a potential future in pro basketball. Since I have never seen him play football, I'm completely agnostic on the issue. I simply mention it because, as I said, it came up more than once during the broadcasts of the various UWSP tournament games.

I have a friend that has scouted and coached against him.  I asked him if he has what it takes to be invited to Combine, he said absolutely.  Asked if he was same level as Garcon, said no but would probably be more like a Derek Stanley who was with the Rams the past two years.

[phoenix_rising]

A master's degree is a vital piece of a person's resume. If you don't see one in a person's bio -- including that of a coach -- you can almost assume that the person doesn't have one.

I can't think of a single example of a coach who has a master's degree who didn't/doesn't have it listed on his or her webpage on the team's site.

Well, the assistant coach is working on his masters degree; maybe Flora thinks he can ride in on those coattails; sort of a tag-team degree.

[Pat Coleman]

Greg -- no, he wasn't an All-American receiver for us last year but he is pretty good and with a reasonable senior year improvement will be a strong All-American candidate in 2010.

[bballBG]

4. Jenkins at times was UWSP's best player on the court.  I think playing two sports (that conflict somewhat) is easier when you are the 2nd or 3rd guy.  But Jenkins is arguably the best returning player on this team, in someways their most important player and to not have him available until mid-November will hurt chemistry, leadership and unity.  Plus the injury factor.

I'm not sure why you or anyone else, for that matter, would think this hurts chemistry, leadership or unity.  None of that seemed to be a factor last year.  The only factor is injury and if the football team goes deep into the playoffs.  He's not a rotten egg and I don't think anyone thinks he's "better" than anyone else because he comes in after football season and just starts playing.  He played in the 2nd game of the season and came off the bench for a couple of games before, deservedly, getting a starting spot.  He's a star football player as well.  Had he just been a "role" player on the football team, I'd hope he would forego football and just play basketball.  But, he's an important part of the football team as well and i'td be unfair to ask him to do one or the other, especially in his senior year.

I watched several Pointers games during their tournament run this month, and a couple of times it was brought up by broadcasters that Jenkins is a standout punter and wide receiver on the UWSP football team and that he might have an NFL future as a punter. I don't know how valid a speculation that is; I noticed that Jenkins didn't make any of the four levels of the d3football.com All-America team last season, and one would think that any D3 athlete who has a chance of playing at the highest level would make the All-America team in his particular sport. (I noticed that he did make the AFCA D3 All-America team as a punter, though.) Then again, given Jenkins' undeniable athletic ability, perhaps it would be the means to get him a free-agent invite to an NFL camp regardless of his omission from the d3football.com All-America team.

I remember similar speculation about Carthage's Rob Garnes in the early part of the last decade. He was an outstanding small forward for Carthage (one of a tiny handful of players in CCIW basketball history who made the All-CCIW first team all four seasons in their careers), and a pretty good wide receiver as well (second-team All-CCIW as a freshman, first-team All-CCIW as a sophomore). He eventually gave up football to focus upon basketball, but there was talk in CCIW circles that even though he was a much more dominant player on the hardwood than on the gridiron, his ceiling as an athlete was higher in football. After all, how many 6'4 wide receivers have hops like that, or that kind of superb hand-eye coordination? In other words, the success level a multi-sport athlete has in one sport over another in college doesn't necessarily correspond to the sport in which he has the best potential future as a pro.

At any rate, this speculation during the broadcasts makes me wonder if Jenkins doesn't have a potential future in pro football equal to or greater than a potential future in pro basketball. Since I have never seen him play football, I'm completely agnostic on the issue. I simply mention it because, as I said, it came up more than once during the broadcasts of the various UWSP tournament games.

I have a friend that has scouted and coached against him.  I asked him if he has what it takes to be invited to Combine, he said absolutely.  Asked if he was same level as Garcon, said no but would probably be more like a Derek Stanley who was with the Rams the past two years.

According to people in the UWSP and WIAC football program(s) Jenkins has a legit shot at making it to the NFL.  When I last talked to him he said his heart is in football (this was during last years football season).  So I don't know what that means for his senior year of basketball if he has a chance of being drafted in the NFL.  Would he risk an injury? He is definitely an important part of the basketball team. 

[wcbsas]

According to people in the UWSP and WIAC football program(s) Jenkins has a legit shot at making it to the NFL.  When I last talked to him he said his heart is in football (this was during last years football season).  So I don't know what that means for his senior year of basketball if he has a chance of being drafted in the NFL.  Would he risk an injury? He is definitely an important part of the basketball team. 

Or would he spend the time off-season (from football) preparing for the combine and try-outs.  If he plays basketball he will not be football-ready for those key events.  In fact many of the football events will conflict with the basketball season.

[Greek Tragedy]

Home teams were 26-10.  

Randolph-Macon never played a home game or an away game.

Williams, Guilford and Point, the other Final Four teams were 11-0 at home.

First round home teams were 11-5

TEAM	CON	HOME	AWAY	NEUTRAL
Medaille	AMCC			1-1
Mary Hardin-Baylor	ASC	0-1
Texas-Dallas	ASC	1-0	0-1
Wesley	CAC		0-1
St. Mary's (Md)	CAC	2-1
Gordon	CCC		0-1
Illinois Wesleyan	CCIW		1-1	2-0
Wheaton	CCIW		1-1
Carthage	CCIW	2-0		0-1
Frank & Marsh	Centennial		2-0	1-1
Cabrini	CSAC			0-1
Brooklyn	CUNYAC		0-1
Nazareth	Empire 8			0-1
St. John Fisher	Empire 8	1-1
Albertus Magnus	GNAC		1-0	0-1
Maryville	GSAC			0-1
Anderson	HCAC		0-1	1-0
Defiance	HCAC			0-1
Central	IIAC			0-1
Chapman	IND	1-0	0-1
Merchant Marine	LAND	1-1
Rhode Island C.	LEC		1-0	1-1
St. Lawrence	Liberty			0-1
Albright	MACC	0-1
Lycoming	MACC			0-1
DeSales	MACF			2-1
Bridgewater St.	MASCAC	0-1
Hope	MIAA			0-1
Carleton	MIAC		0-1
St. Thomas	MIAC			0-1
St. Norbert	MWC		0-1	1-0
Maine-Farmington	NAC		1-1
Aurora	NathCon		0-1
Wooster	NCAC	2-0	0-1
SUNYIT	NEAC		1-1	1-0
Williams	NESCAC	3-0		1-1
Middlebury	NESCAC	1-1
Clark	NEWMAC		1-0	0-1
MIT	NEWMAC			0-1
Richard Stockton	NJAC			0-1
Rutgers-Newark	NJAC			0-1
William Paterson	NJAC	0-1
Whitworth	NWC	1-0		0-1
John Carroll	OAC		0-1	1-0
Wilmington	OAC		0-1	1-0
Guilford	ODAC	4-0		0-1
Eastern Menn.	ODAC	2-0	0-1	1-0
Randolph-Macon	ODAC			4-1
Virginia Wesleyan	ODAC		0-1	1-0
Grove City	PrAC		0-1
Centre	SCAC		0-1
CMS	SCIAC		0-1
SUNY-Purchase	SKY		0-1
Westminster	SLIAC		0-1
Oneonta State	SUNYAC			0-1
Plattsburgh St.	SUNYAC	0-1
Brandeis	UAA		1-1	2-0
Washington U.	UAA	1-1
Chris. Newport	USAC		0-1
UW-Stevens Point	WIAC	4-0		2-0
UW-Whitewater	WIAC		0-1	1-0

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