MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[wcbsas]

New position description out for men's head basketball coach: bachelor's degree is required, masters is desireable.  Sounds suspiciously tailored to me.

WOuldn't most candidates have those requirements?  In fact I suspect only a small minority of D1 head coaches do not have those requirements.

[Greek Tragedy]

I bet Gard keeps Wardle (current UWGB assistant and head coaching candidate) as an assistant.

If Wardle stays.  Sometimes an assistant who is a head coaching candidate may not want to stay on as an assistant if he is beaten out and has the option to be an assistant under a guy he was competing for the head coaching position.

[Hoops Junkie]

Mr. Logan Flora must not have his masters so they decided to change the requirements so that they could still give him the job at UW-Superior.

[stoutguy]

Breathe easy Pointer fans ... for whatever reason he didn't make the cut

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blogs020101

I heard that Bo Ryan told Bothof that if they hire Gard that he (Ryan) would agree to switch the four for one (home and away) series between UWGB and UW to an even home and away series.

That scheduling switch is a huge incentive financially and probably the final nail in the coffin for Gard.

Of the five candidates I would rank them:

1. Gard
2. Grzesk
3. Harris
4. Moser
5. Wardle

I'm not sure how Harris, Moser and Wardle are on the list before Semling although I suspect it is partially due to Semling telling Bothof ... decide yes or no, don't twist me in the wind!

I honestly think it is an age thing.  Look at the ages of the other candidates.  Isn't Bob 52?  I think that is a factor.

[Pat Coleman]

New position description out for men's head basketball coach: bachelor's degree is required, masters is desireable.  Sounds suspiciously tailored to me.

Sounds like almost every other D-III head coaching position listing I've ever seen.

[billys]

Does Bo bring back Will from NDSU?  Even if he might not be ready?

Who goes with Gard as assistants to UWGB?

I bet Gard keeps Wardle (current UWGB assistant and head coaching candidate) as an assistant.

I read in one of the many GB Press Gazette articles that Wardle will join Kowalcyk (sp?) in Toledo if he doesn't get the job. He'll make a lot more there than staying at UWGB not to mention (as OS said) working for a guy who beat him out for a job he really wanted

[billys]

New position description out for men's head basketball coach: bachelor's degree is required, masters is desireable.  Sounds suspiciously tailored to me.

Sounds like almost every other D-III head coaching position listing I've ever seen.

Exactly. Virtual standard practice. If you flip it you eliminate a lot of quality candidates.

[phoenix_rising]

The coaches here are part time positions with the remaining percentage generally in teaching. Thus, without a masters a person would not qualify for the non-coaching portion of the job. I think after UWS decided it was going to get serious about coaches--basketball, anyway--it listed masters as a minimum requirement. Mulhern has a PhD; Buchanan had a masters. If you aren't linking the coaching position to any other position on campus, a bachelors would probably do it. As I recall, though, even in the last search, the men's coach only had to teach family living or social graces or something. Still, you hardly want an instructor with a bachelors teaching courses; even many high school instructors have gotten beyond that.

[billys]

That's not necessarily true ... I mean most schools have GA's "teach" activity classes in the PE department. I just went and looked at the Platteville women's job and they have a large teaching component attached.

You can teach college level courses with just a bachelors. There are a lot of AD HOC's that do it to.

As long as you're not asking them to teach biophysics I think it's something you have to do. If you want to add weight to those that have the Master's then do that. But it's a mistake to eliminate a substantial amount of a candidate pool because of a master's degree that often has nothing to do with teaching.

[phoenix_rising]

I seriously have to disagree with that--bachelors degree being enough for teaching at the college level. What's the point of going beyond high school? I think the depth of understanding, the breadth of knowlege is expanded with the masters and even more so with the PhD. I'd compare it to getting your feet wet vs deep-sea diving.

If the issue is just coaching, I might agree. When teaching--and the associated tasks (advising, scholarship, service)--is thrown in, I think it's a mistake to assume one degree is just as good as another. Yes, there are people teaching with masters degrees--either it's the terminal degree in the discipline or the people are academic staff types, not tenure track faculty. I would look at an academic institution relying on a teaching staff including BAs/BSs as deficient.

I can't believe I'm too far off-base in that.

[Gregory Sager]

That's not necessarily true ... I mean most schools have GA's "teach" activity classes in the PE department.

Define "most schools." Are you referring to D3 schools? Most D3 schools are small liberal-arts colleges that do not have classes taught by graduate assistants, whether in the PE department or any other department.

You can teach college level courses with just a bachelors. There are a lot of AD HOC's that do it to.

Again, I'd like to know to which schools you are referring. Most of the D3 schools with which I am familiar do not hire adjuncts (not "ad hocs") that have a bachelor's degree as their terminal degree.

If the issue is just coaching, I might agree. When teaching--and the associated tasks (advising, scholarship, service)--is thrown in, I think it's a mistake to assume one degree is just as good as another. Yes, there are people teaching with masters degrees--either it's the terminal degree in the discipline or the people are academic staff types, not tenure track faculty. I would look at an academic institution relying on a teaching staff including BAs/BSs as deficient.

... as do most people, which is why it is unusual to find someone with only a bachelor's degree teaching at an institution of higher learning. It's not impossible to find them, but it is unusual. Even if they are qualified in terms of life experience to teach the class, negative public perception militates against a school allowing it.

[BDB]

The Butler almost did it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQs-d_9iJ14&feature=player_embedded

[billys]

You're right; I should not have used the word "most." "Many" I feel would be accurate. I'm only really familiar with the WIAC schools but I know GA's that have taught activity classes there; it's part of the requirement of being a GA.

And I have know schools that have English instructors come from the community (adjunct; sorry) who don't always have a Masters to teach English 101 or the 0?? courses because the material is basically the same.

To me it all depends on what they are expected to "teach." To teach "Basketball" or "Badminton" or Coaching Theory; heck even coaching psych, I don't think a Master's is an issue. I just don't think it's as unusual; at least in this state, as people think. I've know three people at different WIAC schools who have done it.

[billys]

The Butler almost did it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQs-d_9iJ14&feature=player_embedded

One of the websites had a photo with the ball still in his hands at 0.1 (nothing conclusive at the light and 0.0). Just imagine had it went in and they waved it of ... especially with the venom people have towards Duke.

[REDNBLACK2]

Does Bo bring back Will from NDSU?  Even if he might not be ready?

Who goes with Gard as assistants to UWGB?

I'm new to this board, but trying to catch up on the UWGB situation.
Sounds like Bo will really have some big shoes to fill if Guard leaves.  Seems he's been his right-hand man for so long, I got to believe he pretty much knows what Bo's thinking before he says it.
Wardle would be a great hire for Guard...keeps the current players happy too, but again if you didn't get the job would you want to work there.  What about Guard hiring Will Ryan?  Isn't Guard's brother at Platteville, and would he go after him as well?
So many questions, which will all be answered soon!