MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

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I've gotta see that dunk then....I don't know if it can touch Tillema's last year but if it's close it's worth seeing....would it be online somewhere after the game?

Not sure.

I would have to see both of them on video (back to back) to see whose is better, but it was pretty similar

[fredfalcon]

Correction:  Koonkaew had 29, Manor 18, Voeltz 11. Hipp led Pipers with 22.

[UWRF]

That was one of the sickest dunks you will ever see... I cant tell if it beats Tillema's but its pretty close. I asked the Sports Info video guy to get a video up asap and he said he would try.

Koonkaew continues to thrive coming off the bench, drops a career high 29 in the win. Had 15 during a 10 min 27-10 RF run in the first.

[tomt4525]

Thanks UWRF, could you please put a link to that video of the dunk on here whenever it happens to go online.

[UWRF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVosXPqplA4

Here it is!!

[John Gleich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVosXPqplA4

Here it is!!

He's on my fantasy team!

[John Gleich]

Make your own choice...  Here's Tillema's dunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmzA5Mn1t0k


I think Tillema's is more... I dunno... spectacular, maybe(?) because he basically created it out of nothing.  Manor just took two dribbles and welcomed Hamline to Wisconsin.  Tillema caught it at about 3/4 court and had to make a dribble move. I'm not going to say he broke the kid's ankles, and he certainly wasn't as sore as the guy who got dunked on... but I bet the coach pointed it out in the film breakdown!


One more for posterity... Jenkin's dunk "over" Enerson-Matthews and Tillema's block on Thomas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf_hFco376o

[UWRF]

They are both so awesome... so close. I really dont know if I could make a call one way or the other.

[John Gleich]

I think it was 2007 or so.  Lawrence lost to Wheaton in OT and Loras shocked Whitewater on their home court.  Wheaton beat Loras but lost to Hope in Elite 8, I think.  Hope lost to Wash U in Final Four.  I did remember being at Whitewater for those first round games.

That's the one plus the loss to Stevens Point in the Elite 8 at Spokane in OT.  OR was it 2 OT?  And the OT loss to Wash U 2 years ago.  Plenty from the perenially weak MWC champ.  I wish my alma mater would do that.   

One OT.  The best game nobody saw.  I've never seen a team that was as "on" lose... but it took some spectacular plays by UWSP to pull it off.  That Lawrence team was anything but weak.

[East Beast]

I think it was 2007 or so.  Lawrence lost to Wheaton in OT and Loras shocked Whitewater on their home court.  Wheaton beat Loras but lost to Hope in Elite 8, I think.  Hope lost to Wash U in Final Four.  I did remember being at Whitewater for those first round games.

That's the one plus the loss to Stevens Point in the Elite 8 at Spokane in OT.  OR was it 2 OT?  And the OT loss to Wash U 2 years ago.  Plenty from the perenially weak MWC champ.  I wish my alma mater would do that.  

I think it is a VERY close comparison when you look at Lawrence and Oshkosh when they both had one of those "special" players on the roster.  In UWO's case Dworak and for LU Braier.

Braier
2003-No Post-season Lost in 1st round of Conference Tournament
2004-Lost in Elite
2005-2nd Round Loss
2006-Lost in Sweet 16

Dworak
2000-No Post-season-Lost in Conference Tournament Semifinals
2001-No POst-season-Lost in Conference Tournament Championship to Eau Claire
2002-Lost in Sweet 16
2003-Lost in Elite 8

Without a player like that both teams have had a tough time competing at the National Level..... regardless of how many times you want to mention a 1st Round loss to Wash U.  Oshkosh has not made the National Tournament since Dworak played his last game, and LU has not won a game in two NCAA appearances since Braier took off the LU uniform for the last time.

My earlier comments that either Semling or Tharp would be winning the NCAA with the Oshkosh players was with a team that was post Dworak. I recall one of them was a 7 footer.

[frodotwo]

Make your own choice...  Here's Tillema's dunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmzA5Mn1t0k


I think Tillema's is more... I dunno... spectacular, maybe(?) because he basically created it out of nothing.  Manor just took two dribbles and welcomed Hamline to Wisconsin.  Tillema caught it at about 3/4 court and had to make a dribble move. I'm not going to say he broke the kid's ankles, and he certainly wasn't as sore as the guy who got dunked on... but I bet the coach pointed it out in the film breakdown!


One more for posterity... Jenkin's dunk "over" Enerson-Matthews and Tillema's block on Thomas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf_hFco376o

Tillema's dunk appears to start about 8 feet from the basket while Manor's is about 4 feet, otherwise they are equal, so in my mind 8 is almost twice as far as 4

[badgerwarhawk]

I think it was 2007 or so.  Lawrence lost to Wheaton in OT and Loras shocked Whitewater on their home court.  Wheaton beat Loras but lost to Hope in Elite 8, I think.  Hope lost to Wash U in Final Four.  I did remember being at Whitewater for those first round games.

That's the one plus the loss to Stevens Point in the Elite 8 at Spokane in OT.  OR was it 2 OT?  And the OT loss to Wash U 2 years ago.  Plenty from the perenially weak MWC champ.  I wish my alma mater would do that.   

I think it is a VERY close comparison when you look at Lawrence and Oshkosh when they both had one of those "special" players on the roster.  In UWO's case Dworak and for LU Braier.

Braier
2003-No Post-season Lost in 1st round of Conference Tournament
2004-Lost in Elite
2005-2nd Round Loss
2006-Lost in Sweet 16

Dworak
2000-No Post-season-Lost in Conference Tournament Semifinals
2001-No POst-season-Lost in Conference Tournament Championship to Eau Claire
2002-Lost in Sweet 16
2003-Lost in Elite 8

Without a player like that both teams have had a tough time competing at the National Level..... regardless of how many times you want to mention a 1st Round loss to Wash U.  Oshkosh has not made the National Tournament since Dworak played his last game, and LU has not won a game in two NCAA appearances since Braier took off the LU uniform for the last time.

My earlier comments that either Semling or Tharp would be winning the NCAA with the Oshkosh players was with a team that was post Dworak. I recall one of them was a 7 footer.

No way Gibson takes a team to a national championship without a lot of help.  He was 7 foot but he wasn't good enough to do that.

[John Gleich]

I think it was 2007 or so.  Lawrence lost to Wheaton in OT and Loras shocked Whitewater on their home court.  Wheaton beat Loras but lost to Hope in Elite 8, I think.  Hope lost to Wash U in Final Four.  I did remember being at Whitewater for those first round games.

That's the one plus the loss to Stevens Point in the Elite 8 at Spokane in OT.  OR was it 2 OT?  And the OT loss to Wash U 2 years ago.  Plenty from the perenially weak MWC champ.  I wish my alma mater would do that.   

I think it is a VERY close comparison when you look at Lawrence and Oshkosh when they both had one of those "special" players on the roster.  In UWO's case Dworak and for LU Braier.

Braier
2003-No Post-season Lost in 1st round of Conference Tournament
2004-Lost in Elite
2005-2nd Round Loss
2006-Lost in Sweet 16

Dworak
2000-No Post-season-Lost in Conference Tournament Semifinals
2001-No POst-season-Lost in Conference Tournament Championship to Eau Claire
2002-Lost in Sweet 16
2003-Lost in Elite 8

Without a player like that both teams have had a tough time competing at the National Level..... regardless of how many times you want to mention a 1st Round loss to Wash U.  Oshkosh has not made the National Tournament since Dworak played his last game, and LU has not won a game in two NCAA appearances since Braier took off the LU uniform for the last time.

My earlier comments that either Semling or Tharp would be winning the NCAA with the Oshkosh players was with a team that was post Dworak. I recall one of them was a 7 footer.

No way Gibson takes a team to a national championship without a lot of help.  He was 7 foot but he wasn't good enough to do that.

Yeah, in many respects, Oshkosh was a 3-headed monster even then... Gibson, Kapele and Jahnke... but they didn't have the other pieces to fit in.  If you think about the pieces around Bennett and Kalsow 5 and 6 years ago or even the sheer depth and balance from last year's team, you can see how a star will win a game or two... but there will be a limit to how far they can take a team on their own.

Even think back to the Bulls... Jordan didn't have the ultimate success of championships until Pippen was there and the other pieces fit in place too.

Part of me wanted to ask how much of it really fell on the coach's shoulders as opposed to the players... but when you look at what appears to be necessary in terms of depth, that comes from recruiting.  And yes, to some extent the really good programs over recruit... but that's necessary on this level because of the nature of non-scholarship athletics.

[cubs]

Part of me wanted to ask how much of it really fell on the coach's shoulders as opposed to the players... but when you look at what appears to be necessary in terms of depth, that comes from recruiting.  And yes, to some extent the really good programs over recruit... but that's necessary on this level because of the nature of non-scholarship athletics.

I think this is one of UWO's biggest downfalls.....  It seems like they "target" a certain number of kids, (let's just say 8 for example.)  Well out of those 8, they lose 3-4 to other schools that were recruiting them as well.  Then with the remaing 4-5, 2-3 of them aren't willing to put in the time needed and either hang it up after a year.  That leaves you with only 2 or 3 kids to build around, and that doesn't even take into consideration the kid who doesn't develop much.

With that recruiting philosophy, you'll get a solid group every once in awhile, but not often enough to sustain any long-term success.  When you do get a solid group, you really have to "make hay!!!"

[UWRF]

Manor also had a pretty nice block...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVigePTaYlg