MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[John Gleich]

PS--how are the +/_ points figured above? (RF has 4, Point has 5)

+1 for a road win, -1 for a home loss.  +0 for a home win, -0 for a road loss.

So SP has won 5 road games and lost zero home games.  RF has won 5 road games and lost one home game (5-1=4).

It's using the logic that a team has to defend their home court and steal games on the road.

I haven't done this enough to find out what the likely amount is for the winner... I got it from Titan Q on the CCIW page, and typically, it takes a +4 to win the CCIW.  There are two more games in the WIAC... so it might be +5 to win the WIAC.

I can maybe look at past season results to see what previous conference winners would have in terms of the +/-.

[Mr. Ypsi]

That should be -1 for a home loss.

And wait 'til Bob sees "I god it from Titan Q ..."  Wow, linked to 'god' - his head may expand all the way to Cheeseland!

[John Gleich]

That should be -1 for a home loss.

And wait 'til Bob sees "I god it from Titan Q ..."  Wow, linked to 'god' - his head may expand all the way to Cheeseland!

I dunno what you're talking about... none of those typos are in my post above...      

[Mr. Ypsi]

That should be -1 for a home loss.

And wait 'til Bob sees "I god it from Titan Q ..."  Wow, linked to 'god' - his head may expand all the way to Cheeseland!

I dunno what you're talking about... none of those typos are in my post above...      

Memo to self - for PS, copy the post!

[Greek Tragedy]

I think Harris is a longshot simply because he's a sophomore. 

[Greek Tragedy]

River Falls 12-2:  1-1 vs. SP, 1-0 vs PL, 1-1 vs. WW, 1-0 vs LC
Stevens Point 12-2:  1-1 vs. RF, 0-1 vs PL, 2-0 vs. WW, 1-0 vs LC
Platteville 8-6:  1-1 vs WW, 0-2 vs LC
Whitewater 8-6, 1-1 vs PL, 1-1 vs LC
La Crosse 8-6:  2-0 vs PL, 1-1 vs WW
Superior 5-9:  2-0 vs OSH
Oshkosh 5-10:  0-2 vs SUP
Eau Claire 3-11:  1-0 vs SUP, 1-1 vs OSH
Stout 3-12

Here are the remaining schedules:

RF:
2/16    at UW-La Crosse
2/19    at UW-Platteville

SP:
2/16    vs. UW-Platteville
2/19    at UW-La Crosse

LaX:
2/16    vs. UW-River Falls   
2/19    vs. UW-Stevens Point

WW:
2/16    vs. UW-Oshkosh
2/19    vs. UW-Superior

Platte:
2/16    at UW-Stevens Point
2/19    vs. UW-River Falls

Oshy:
2/16    at UW-Whitewater
2/19       Bye  (Silver Lake)

Sup:
2/16    vs. UW-Eau Claire
2/19    at UW-Whitewater

Stout:
2/15         Bye (Crown)   
2/19    vs. UW-Eau Claire

Eau Claire
2/16    at UW-Superior
2/19    at UW-Stout

[badgerwarhawk]

As was the case in the first meeting between the two teams Chris Davis started the game hot connecting on four of his first five shots and scoring nine of the WARHAWKS first seventeen points.  Eau Claire led 11-10 early before the WARHAWKS went on a 12-0 run and followed it by outscoring Eau Claire 32-13 to lead 52-24 at the half.  The WARHAWKS shot 62% in the first half and sank 7 or 10 three point attempts.  Davis had 18 points.  With a little over nine minutes left in the game Eau Claire closed the gap to sixteen points 75-59 but that was as close as they would get.  The WARHAWKS finished the game 51% from the field including 11-19 from beyond the arc.

Davis's line read 25 points (3-5 3pointers), 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks and 5 steals.  Cody Odegaard went 3-5 on three pointers and tallied 16 points.  DJ Dantzler was 2-3 from beyond the arc and totaled 13 points while Phil Negri was also 2-3 from long range and added 10 points.  

Amadou Fofana led the Blugolds with 18 points.  James Pfitzinger had 17 and Marcus Ruh added 12.  

[frodotwo]

UWSP won with defense, even though UWRF scored 14 points more than the Pointer defensive per game average. No one could match up with Harris's speed to the basket, not even Koonkaew. Ritchay was a spark off the bench, hitting 3 treys and Lou Hurd had a great overall game with 13 points, 8 boards, 5 steals and 2 blocks. For RF, Voeltz was hard to handle and shot 10-10 at the FT line on his way to 24 pts and Manor had a good overall game as well. Speaking of FT's, SP again underachieved from the line, especially under the last 5 minutes when they were only 8-15. Caught sight of Jared Jenkins in the crowd after the game. Right now UWSP owns the 1st seed in the WIAC tourney, with LX third, holding the tie breaker against UWWW and UWP in that order. 

[fredfalcon]

frodotwo--you may be right about your contention that SP won with defense, but your post does not prove your point.The disparity in shooting performance was huge, esp in the first half. The SP announcers said, early in the game, that RF was playing tough D. Sometimes, when a team's hot, it's hot--despite what a D is doing. The 14 points over the SP D average does not support your point, obviously.

I don't deny that Harris is a great player-- probably the best PG in the league. But that has nothing to do with SP D. Your one example that may back up your view of superior D is Hurd's 5 steals. But if Hurd can steal 5 balls,  at least part of that stems from careless ball handling by RF. The announncers kept saying that Hurd is not a great talent, but that he works very hard.


One factor that makes me wonder, though, is that Anderson, the league's best percentage 3 shooter, got only two shots. He's not a guy who can manufacture shots. He needs screens and smart movement without the ball to get open. I have no idea whether RF did a poor job setting screens for Anderson. If they did, they need to work on it. Maybe the Pointer D on him was good, but if it was, probably that opened Voeltz more on the inside.

One thing's for sure: unless RF wins two straight, and SP loses one game of the final two, the advantage in the tournament goes to the Pointers.

[UWRF]

The SP announcers said, early in the game, that RF was playing tough D.

You know you've made it when the towns mayor wont even listen to you on the radio...     

[UWRF]

Your one example that may back up your view of superior D is Hurd's 5 steals. But if Hurd can steal 5 balls,  at least part of that stems from careless ball handling by RF. The announncers kept saying that Hurd is not a great talent, but that he works very hard.

Falcons kept driving in the lane with the ball exposed allowing the Pointers (mostly Hurd) to rip it away. SP obviously realized that after RF torched them going to the basket in the first meeting they needed to start playing better help defense, which they did.

[frodotwo]

frodotwo--you may be right about your contention that SP won with defense, but your post does not prove your point.The disparity in shooting performance was huge, esp in the first half. The SP announcers said, early in the game, that RF was playing tough D. Sometimes, when a team's hot, it's hot--despite what a D is doing. The 14 points over the SP D average does not support your point, obviously.

I don't deny that Harris is a great player-- probably the best PG in the league. But that has nothing to do with SP D. Your one example that may back up your view of superior D is Hurd's 5 steals. But if Hurd can steal 5 balls,  at least part of that stems from careless ball handling by RF. The announncers kept saying that Hurd is not a great talent, but that he works very hard.


One factor that makes me wonder, though, is that Anderson, the league's best percentage 3 shooter, got only two shots. He's not a guy who can manufacture shots. He needs screens and smart movement without the ball to get open. I have no idea whether RF did a poor job setting screens for Anderson. If they did, they need to work on it. Maybe the Pointer D on him was good, but if it was, probably that opened Voeltz more on the inside.

One thing's for sure: unless RF wins two straight, and SP loses one game of the final two, the advantage in the tournament goes to the Pointers.

I guess I could have expounded more about the defense. Here's the stat line from the game regarding turnovers:
POINTS OFF TURNOVERS        1   2 - Tot
UW-River Falls..........             6   2 -   8
UW-Stevens Point........         3  14 -  17

RF made 13 layups in the game the rest of the time they shot 12-41 for 29%. SP got inside for 16 layups, ten in the first half, they should shoot a good pct based on that. SP paid attention to Anderson and didn't allow him many open looks.

[Pat Coleman]

The SP announcers said, early in the game, that RF was playing tough D.

You know you've made it when the towns mayor wont even listen to you on the radio...     

Why not watch the video?

[Greek Tragedy]

UWSP won with defense, even though UWRF scored 14 points more than the Pointer defensive per game average.

fredfalcon -

Aside from the above comment, I don't think frodo's post really had to do with Point's defense at all.  In fact, I think this comment is a stand-alone statement while the rest of the post is a generalization.  I guess he could've separated it by starting a new paragraph, but I'm not going to criticize frodo for his posting structure.

The next comment regarding Harris really had nothing to do with defense.  So, in essence, you're right, it does have nothing to do with defense! 

Frodo's next comment about Hurd simply had to do with his "great overall game" which happened to include 5 steals.  No one in the Pointer camp is going to say that Hurd is there to just play defense.  Frodo made no mention about how great of a defender Hurd was.  He just said he had a great overall game. 

I really think you took Frodo's comments completely out of context simply by reading the first sentence and thinking the rest of the post had to do with defense.  Granted, Frodo didn't really expand on that comment at all with any supporting facts or thoughts, but I think it's easy to see the rest of his post really didn't have anything to do with his opening comment.

[Greek Tragedy]

One factor that makes me wonder, though, is that Anderson, the league's best percentage 3 shooter, got only two shots. He's not a guy who can manufacture shots. He needs screens and smart movement without the ball to get open. I have no idea whether RF did a poor job setting screens for Anderson. If they did, they need to work on it. Maybe the Pointer D on him was good, but if it was, probably that opened Voeltz more on the inside.

One thing's for sure: unless RF wins two straight, and SP loses one game of the final two, the advantage in the tournament goes to the Pointers.

Things obviously opened up for Voeltz.  He went 7-13 from the field and 10 for 10 from the line.  So, I don't know how many "and 1's" he got, but since missed field goals don't count on fouls (right?), he could've had 5 more fga.  Anderson was 1-4, including 1-3 from 3 pt land.  He was 4-7/3-5 3-pt land the last time they played.

Looking at the two boxscores, I think it was Point's offense that made the difference.  obviously they played a lot better the 2nd time around.

1st meeting

SP 21-56 37.5% 60 pts
RF 28-53 52.8% 73 pts

2nd meeting

SP 29-50 58% 86 pts
RF 25-54 46.3% 70 pts