MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[SilversSports]

I know we are talking about some of the smartest D3 BBall minds on this page.....so does anyone know an easy way to figure out OWP/OOWP, maybe a spreadsheet already created? 

Or would you be able to calculate UWRF and Carthage women for comparison?  I'm just curious how heavily Carthage's win over RF in Sin City is weighted by the NCAA.  RF has the W% and Reg Ranked Opp. category advantages and they are tied for common reg. opp.

Right now it would seem as though that loss may have RF sitting out of the tourney, but boy that seems awfully tough considering the venue (black back drop on one end and shooting into a wide open end in 2nd half/OT)

Obviously its how they fair against other regional teams in terms of numbers as well for C bids, but I'm just curious head-to-head.

[frodotwo]

I know we are talking about some of the smartest D3 BBall minds on this page.....so does anyone know an easy way to figure out OWP/OOWP, maybe a spreadsheet already created? 

Or would you be able to calculate UWRF and Carthage women for comparison?  I'm just curious how heavily Carthage's win over RF in Sin City is weighted by the NCAA.  RF has the W% and Reg Ranked Opp. category advantages and they are tied for common reg. opp.

Right now it would seem as though that loss may have RF sitting out of the tourney, but boy that seems awfully tough considering the venue (black back drop on one end and shooting into a wide open end in 2nd half/OT)

Obviously its how they fair against other regional teams in terms of numbers as well for C bids, but I'm just curious head-to-head.

NCAA has lots of stats and stuff that you can look thru. Here's the page with OWP/OOWP/SOS for the WOMEN (even though this is the men's WIAC pages).

http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB&region=35&division=3

[SilversSports]

I know we are talking about some of the smartest D3 BBall minds on this page.....so does anyone know an easy way to figure out OWP/OOWP, maybe a spreadsheet already created? 

Or would you be able to calculate UWRF and Carthage women for comparison?  I'm just curious how heavily Carthage's win over RF in Sin City is weighted by the NCAA.  RF has the W% and Reg Ranked Opp. category advantages and they are tied for common reg. opp.

Right now it would seem as though that loss may have RF sitting out of the tourney, but boy that seems awfully tough considering the venue (black back drop on one end and shooting into a wide open end in 2nd half/OT)

Obviously its how they fair against other regional teams in terms of numbers as well for C bids, but I'm just curious head-to-head.

NCAA has lots of stats and stuff that you can look thru. Here's the page with OWP/OOWP/SOS for the WOMEN (even though this is the men's WIAC pages).

http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB&region=35&division=3

I know it is, there are just more posters here and thus I figured a better shot for answers!

[John Gleich]

Not true- you can go D3 to D2 and not sit out. Just need a release. Both Ruh and Harris had one. (Had nothing to do with Gibbons not being there for Ruh.) For Harris it has to do with academics and WIAC rules, even though went to D2. (Read NCAA transfer rules if not sure , and then go to conference trransfer rules)

BTW- Before calling Randall turncoat you might want to find out all the facts associated with your current coach "withdrawing" from UWGB consideration and broken commitments.

General transfer info here:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE2009.pdf

Not surprisingly, it looks like some of the rules have changed since I transferred a decade ago.


Some points of clarification...  You need a release to talk to a different school... in D-III, you can self-release.  At D-II or D-I, you need to request if from your institution.

That doesn't have anything to do with being eligible to play there, though... unless you talk to them before you're released, when that very well could make you ineligible.

You're right about the coach-leaving rule... I'm not sure if that was ever a rule or not, but it is one that's commonly talked about in sports circles and that I've heard numerous times on broadcasts.

More info about that can be found here:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nm/genrel/auto_pdf/0708-saac-info.pdf


The general rule is that you need to have one year of residence as your school before you're eligible... but there is a first-time transfer waiver that you can apply for.  You need to have been eligible at your former school for this to be possible.  I'm not sure to what extent the former school needs to agree to it or not...

On pg 20 is the following... in order to use the first-transfer rule:

4. Have a written release agreement from your first school saying that it does not object to your receiving an exception to the transfer residence requirement



I have no idea if this would have occurred or not.





If you feel you have some information regarding Coach Semling and being interviewed (initial round) for the UWGB job, by all means share them.

Coach Sem took his name out of the running before final interviews.


Randall was looking for a new job as soon as he got on campus... he put his name in pretty much everywhere, even though he told several media outlets over the years that he was moving to High School to settle down, then to Point to settle down... now to St. Leo to settle down?  Hmm, his track record is miserable in that regard.  He's a vagabond and I feel incredibly sorry for his wife and FIVE CHILDREN.

[Pat Coleman]

And coaches take their names out of consideration all the time.

[badgerwarhawk]

It seems pretty unlikely to me that Semling hired Randall thinking he had secured a long term assistant.  Though I have to admit that Randall's taking a couple of conference players along with him wasn't the right thing to do imo.  But I'm sure each of them had their own reasons for leaving. 

[thrunt01]

Anyone know why Greg Schrimpf of Oshkosh didn't play on Saturday?

No clue man, wish I knew. It took until the 10 minute mark of the first half to see that he wasn't in River Falls. As if things weren't bad enough for Oshkosh (with Royston being done for the year and all). Brett Meineke had to run the point for a while, ugh.

I now have the answer, apparently he got really sick. Not sure if it was a 24 hour bug or if he'll be out wednesday as well.

[Greek Tragedy]

It seems pretty unlikely to me that Semling hired Randall thinking he had secured a long term assistant.  Though I have to admit that Randall's taking a couple of conference players along with him wasn't the right thing to do imo.  But I'm sure each of them had their own reasons for leaving.

I would think it would be highly unlikely that Semling would hire Randall knowing he'd be gone in a year, as well.

[Greek Tragedy]

Nice little article on Chris Davis on the front page..and yes, there actually is a front page!

[tomt4525]

What a disgraceful showing by Point tonight, they should be embarrassed.  If Point shows any type of hustle they win this game.

[John Gleich]

What a disgraceful showing by Point tonight, they should be embarrassed.  If Point shows any type of hustle they win this game.

Pretty unbelievable... with a free throw to ice it, Point misses and Stout hits a half court shot to tie it at the end of regulation.

Stout had 22 more shots tonight than Point...


Stout had 50 boards (21 offensive) to 28 (2 offensive) for Point.  This led to 20 second chance points for Stout to ZERO for Point.


Give lots of credit to Stout... they made this a physical game and Point had an opportunity to win it in regulation.  Point then turned it over when they had an opportunity to go up in the OT.



I have no idea what that does to the conference tournament race... I do know that Point, Whitewater, and River Falls are tied for the lead at 12-3...  That RF/Whitewater will be a heck of a battle.  Point goes to Eau Claire.

[emerging1]

Really disappointing loss.  We let one get away.  We missed a lot of free throws.  I know I brought this up last time but why not foul and not give them a chance to tie/win with a half court shot?  We were only 29% from 3 and out-rebounded 50 to 28.  This seems to be a problem that continually is not addressed.  A lot of you guys have followed Point longer than I have, do you have any insights?  We did not look fresh but looked timid in key situations.  It seemed like no one wanted the ball.  We just have a hard time finishing the game, killer instinct is missing.  We will have to win the title next game at Eau Claire I hope!

[John Gleich]

Really disappointing loss.  We let one get away.  We missed a lot of free throws.  I know I brought this up last time but why not foul and not give them a chance to tie/win with a half court shot?  We were only 29% from 3 and out-rebounded 50 to 28.  This seems to be a problem that continually is not addressed.  A lot of you guys have followed Point longer than I have, do you have any insights?  We did not look fresh but looked timid in key situations.  It seemed like no one wanted the ball.  We just have a hard time finishing the game, killer instinct is missing.  We will have to win the title next game at Eau Claire I hope!

It's a coaching decision... the historic choice is that you don't put your opponent on the line without the clock running... because crazy things can happen if there's still time on the clock.

If you foul in that situation, it's going to have to be in the back court... probably 50-75 feet away from the basket.  If you play good defense (not a given... but that's the theory at least) then you're going to make them have to make a tremendous, difficult, defended shot... from at least half court.

Otherwise, you put them 15 feet from the basket with the chance to make the first and then tip the ball in from within 10 feet.


Again, it's a coaching decision, but it's one that most coaches will make in that situation.

[Just Bill]

Really disappointing loss.  We let one get away.  We missed a lot of free throws.  I know I brought this up last time but why not foul and not give them a chance to tie/win with a half court shot?  We were only 29% from 3 and out-rebounded 50 to 28.  This seems to be a problem that continually is not addressed.  A lot of you guys have followed Point longer than I have, do you have any insights?  We did not look fresh but looked timid in key situations.  It seemed like no one wanted the ball.  We just have a hard time finishing the game, killer instinct is missing.  We will have to win the title next game at Eau Claire I hope!

I don't know exactly how much time was left, but in most cases, I'd rather take my chances with a half court shot, rather than foul, let them hit a free throw and give them a chance to put back a layup. That's just me, I know there's two schools of thought there. Didn't work out this time obviously.

[emerging1]

Why give them a chance at a 3?  Too bad.  Not a good final for Senior's night.