MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[John Gleich]

Actually, the top 3 seeds aren't all that tough.

A. WW wins, Point wins:
#1 Point (13-3)
#2 Whitewater (13-3)
#3 River Falls (12-4)

B. RF wins, Point wins:
#1 River Falls (13-3)
#2 Point (13-3)
#3 Whitewater (12-4)

C. WW wins Point loses  (I'm not sure about this one...)
#1 Whitewater (13-3)
#2 River Falls (12-4)
#3 Point (12-4)

D. RF wins, Point loses
#1 River Falls (13-3)
#2 Point (12-4)
#3 Whitewater (12-4)


A is clear.  Since Point swept Whitewater, SP would get the top seed if they're tied at the top.
B is also clear for a similar reason... RF would get the top seed by virtue of sweeping Point.
C is tougher... but I think that RF will just be ahead of Point due to sweeping them..
D should follow the same way that C does... Point swept WW so they'd get the higher seed.



Here are the tiebreak rules:

SEEDING

Teams will be seeded 1 through 6 based on the final regular season conference standings.  If necessary, the following tie-breaker criteria will be applied to determine entry into the tournament or to seed teams with identical records:

1.   Head-to-head competition between tied teams.

2.   Cumulative Won/Loss record vs. teams placed higher in the conference standings.

3.   Record vs. teams in conference standings in descending order (i.e., #1 seed, #2 seed).
   
[Note:  When comparing tied teams against positions lower in the standings which are also tied, those "lower tied positions" shall be considered as a "single position" for purposes of comparison.  Example:  Team A and Team B tied for second would compare against Team X and Team Y tied for sixth as follows: Team A would compare its combined record against both X and Y versus Team B's combined record against both X and Y.]

4.   Team with the best road record in conference games.

5.   Coin toss conducted by the WIAC commissioner.

[Note:  If two teams remain tied after a third or other teams are eliminated, the tiebreaker reverts to criteria No. 1.  For example, if four teams are tied with 4-2, 3-3, 3-3, 2-4 head -to-head records, the 4-2 receives highest seed and the 2-4 team the lowest seed in the grouping.  Since two teams remain tied at 3-3, we revert back to criteria #1 (head-to-head) between those two teams and then (if necessary) utilize the remaining criteria in order.]

The bracket will be re-seeded following the first round of play in order to match-up the highest remaining seed vs. the lowest remaining seed and the #2 remaining seed vs. the #3 remaining seed.



Here are the standings:

Whitewater 12-3
River Falls 12-3
Stevens Point 12-3
Superior 8-7
Platteville 8-8
La Crosse 7-8
Eau Claire 6-9
Stout 3-12
Oshkosh 0-15


Superior and Platteville are in for sure... I'm not sure what happens if LaX loses and EC wins. 

LaX and EC split their series, so it would go to the record against the top seeds.  From that point, it depends if RF wins or loses... if RF wins, then LaX would get the bid by virtue of LaX's victory tonight.  ... If WW wins... well, I guess LaX still gets the bid, because RF would be ahead of SP.

So, EC has been eliminated.

I'm also not sure what happens if LaX beats Superior...  That would have 3 teams at 8-8.



My head hurts and I'm not interested in figuring the rest out tonight... somebody else can do it if they'd like... from my perspective, Point just needs to beat EC Saturday and get a bye and a home game in the WIAC tournament... and then I'll be happy.

[John Gleich]

Why give them a chance at a 3?  Too bad.  Not a good final for Senior's night.

Well, hopefully they don't get a clean look...  Even worse than giving up a 3 point attempt would be to foul a 3 point shooter and give him a chance to hit 3 FT's to tie the game.  Or, even worse, would be to have them hit 2 FT's and then get a tip in for the win.

[Falcons04]

Disappointing loss for RF,  but new life given with Stout's miracle win at Point.  We will see a team win at least a share of the conference in RF on Saturday night.  Hopefully RF can regroup and use the new life Stout gave them to pull off a win.  It would be only their second conference title since 1950.  Also, I believe they would be the #1 seed if both RF and Point win.

[Titan Q]

"Up 3, under :07" article with D3 ties...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/luke_winn/09/30/upthree.underseven/index.html

[Falcons04]

I was listening to the Point game and I think not fouling was correct in that situation.  I'll take my chances any day with a running half court shot vs. a made FT and the chance for a tip in on the second........especially when my team was rebouding as poorly as Point tonight.  If there was 5+ seconds left and I thought they'd have time to set up, then it's a tougher call.

Hindsight is 20/20.

[frodotwo]

That half court shot was a killer from about 52 feet and loosely defended. Refereeing was horrible tonight as Point was mugged continually. One more free throw would have won it in regulation. Then a three by a guy shooting 11% on the year. Go Figure. I'm not one to complain much about reffing because they have a tough job, but Point was continually being hand checked and pushed with no calls. Many of those offensive rebounds were over the back of Point players. But give Stout credit for taking it to Point.

[Just Bill]

Why give them a chance at a 3?  Too bad.  Not a good final for Senior's night.

Why give them a chance at an offensive rebound and putback?

[SilversSports]

Actually, the top 3 seeds aren't all that tough.

A. WW wins, Point wins:
#1 Point (13-3)
#2 Whitewater (13-3)
#3 River Falls (12-4)

B. RF wins, Point wins:
#1 River Falls (13-3)
#2 Point (13-3)
#3 Whitewater (12-4)

C. WW wins Point loses  (I'm not sure about this one...)
#1 Whitewater (13-3)
#2 River Falls (12-4)
#3 Point (12-4)

D. RF wins, Point loses
#1 River Falls (13-3)
#2 Point (12-4)
#3 Whitewater (12-4)


A is clear.  Since Point swept Whitewater, SP would get the top seed if they're tied at the top.
B is also clear for a similar reason... RF would get the top seed by virtue of sweeping Point.
C is tougher... but I think that RF will just be ahead of Point due to sweeping them..
D should follow the same way that C does... Point swept WW so they'd get the higher seed.



Here are the tiebreak rules:

SEEDING

Teams will be seeded 1 through 6 based on the final regular season conference standings.  If necessary, the following tie-breaker criteria will be applied to determine entry into the tournament or to seed teams with identical records:

1.   Head-to-head competition between tied teams.

2.   Cumulative Won/Loss record vs. teams placed higher in the conference standings.

3.   Record vs. teams in conference standings in descending order (i.e., #1 seed, #2 seed).
   
[Note:  When comparing tied teams against positions lower in the standings which are also tied, those "lower tied positions" shall be considered as a "single position" for purposes of comparison.  Example:  Team A and Team B tied for second would compare against Team X and Team Y tied for sixth as follows: Team A would compare its combined record against both X and Y versus Team B's combined record against both X and Y.]

4.   Team with the best road record in conference games.

5.   Coin toss conducted by the WIAC commissioner.

[Note:  If two teams remain tied after a third or other teams are eliminated, the tiebreaker reverts to criteria No. 1.  For example, if four teams are tied with 4-2, 3-3, 3-3, 2-4 head -to-head records, the 4-2 receives highest seed and the 2-4 team the lowest seed in the grouping.  Since two teams remain tied at 3-3, we revert back to criteria #1 (head-to-head) between those two teams and then (if necessary) utilize the remaining criteria in order.]

The bracket will be re-seeded following the first round of play in order to match-up the highest remaining seed vs. the lowest remaining seed and the #2 remaining seed vs. the #3 remaining seed.



Here are the standings:

Whitewater 12-3
River Falls 12-3
Stevens Point 12-3
Superior 8-7
Platteville 8-8
La Crosse 7-8
Eau Claire 6-9
Stout 3-12
Oshkosh 0-15


Superior and Platteville are in for sure... I'm not sure what happens if LaX loses and EC wins. 

LaX and EC split their series, so it would go to the record against the top seeds.  From that point, it depends if RF wins or loses... if RF wins, then LaX would get the bid by virtue of LaX's victory tonight.  ... If WW wins... well, I guess LaX still gets the bid, because RF would be ahead of SP.

So, EC has been eliminated.

I'm also not sure what happens if LaX beats Superior...  That would have 3 teams at 8-8.



My head hurts and I'm not interested in figuring the rest out tonight... somebody else can do it if they'd like... from my perspective, Point just needs to beat EC Saturday and get a bye and a home game in the WIAC tournament... and then I'll be happy.

If La Crosse wins Saturday they get the #4 seed.  Superior wins all 4 possible scenarios for #5 seed and UWP is #6.

If LC loses and EC wins.  LC makes tourney if RF wins outright.  IF WW wins outright EC would be in by virtue of a split with Platteville.  Any other tie for the title would require EC to lose to SP giving LC the final spot.

[stoutfan1]

Why give them a chance at a 3?  Too bad.  Not a good final for Senior's night.

Why give them a chance at an offensive rebound and putback?

How often does a team get an offensive rebound with a quick putback on a free throw? If you're Point dont you trust your big man, JB, to get that rebound? or even Dan Tillema to rise up and secure it? As a basketball player I think it is much easier to shoot a loosely defended half court shot than make a free throw, have the perfect miss on the second while the other team rebounds poorly, and get a quick shot up with under 2 seconds remaining. Defensively you dont get in the face of the shooter for the risk of a 'bad call' and a foul being assesed. Again it's a coaching decision but you see a halfcourt shot on TV being made like that much more often than you hear of the free throw option going bad.

On a side note...... Stouts win tonight was the best way to end the season that couldve happened

[John Gleich]

Why give them a chance at a 3?  Too bad.  Not a good final for Senior's night.

Why give them a chance at an offensive rebound and putback?

How often does a team get an offensive rebound with a quick putback on a free throw? If you're Point dont you trust your big man, JB, to get that rebound? or even Dan Tillema to rise up and secure it? As a basketball player I think it is much easier to shoot a loosely defended half court shot than make a free throw, have the perfect miss on the second while the other team rebounds poorly, and get a quick shot up with under 2 seconds remaining. Defensively you dont get in the face of the shooter for the risk of a 'bad call' and a foul being assesed. Again it's a coaching decision but you see a halfcourt shot on TV being made like that much more often than you hear of the free throw option going bad.

On a side note...... Stouts win tonight was the best way to end the season that couldve happened

Well... Stout had 24 offensive rebounds tonight.  Point had 26 defensive rebounds.  Crapshoot, at best.

[Just Bill]

Why give them a chance at a 3?  Too bad.  Not a good final for Senior's night.

Why give them a chance at an offensive rebound and putback?

How often does a team get an offensive rebound with a quick putback on a free throw? If you're Point dont you trust your big man, JB, to get that rebound? or even Dan Tillema to rise up and secure it? As a basketball player I think it is much easier to shoot a loosely defended half court shot than make a free throw, have the perfect miss on the second while the other team rebounds poorly, and get a quick shot up with under 2 seconds remaining. Defensively you dont get in the face of the shooter for the risk of a 'bad call' and a foul being assesed. Again it's a coaching decision but you see a halfcourt shot on TV being made like that much more often than you hear of the free throw option going bad.

On a side note...... Stouts win tonight was the best way to end the season that couldve happened

I see half court shots land in the bleachers far more often than I see an offensive rebound and a put back after a free throw. They just don't show those attempts on TV. I'll let them shoot from 50 feet. You go ahead and let them shoot from 5 feet.

Now if the other team has time to get within 25-30 feet, then I might change my strategy. All depends on the clock.

[badgerwarhawk]

Congrats to Coach Andrist on win #400. 

The WARHAWKS kept their hopes for a conference championship alive with a 76-64 win over Oshkosh.  The two teams were tied 12-12 after the first six minutes when the WARHAWKS went on a 11-3 run to go up 23-15.  Seniors Alex Edmunds (11), Chris Davis (6) and Josh Glenn (2) accounted for 19 of the WARHAWKS points.  After a Quardell Young three-pointer gave the WARHAWKS their largest lead of the half 28-15 the Titans battled back to cut the gap to three points 31-28 with three minutes remaining.  An old fashioned three point play by Davis and three-pointers from Alex Merg and Davis, which came as the buzzer sounded, ended the half with the WARHAWKS on top 40-28.  Davis and Edmunds each scored 12 points to pace the WARHAWKS who had a 3 to 11 advantage on turnovers.  John Flanigan had 10 points to lead the Titans.  Oshkosh scored the first two baskets of the second half to get within eight which was the closest they would get the rest of the game.  A three-pointer from Glenn at the 12:53 mark gave the WARHAWKS their largest lead of the game at twenty, 58-38.  After that twelve points is the closest the Titans would get.

The WARHAWKS finished the game 55% from the floor to 37% for the Titans.  Each team had 29 rebounds.  Points off of turnovers (23-12), 2nd chance points (16-8), bench points (17-8) and points in the paint (42-14) all favored the WARHAWKS.

Davis finished with a double-double 18 points, 10 rebounds.  Young added 13 points while Edmunds and Glenn each had 12.  Eric Bryson rounded out double digit scorers for the WARHAWKS with 10 points.  Four WARHAWKS (Davis, Edmunds, Merg and Young) each had a game high pair of assists while Davis added a game high number of blocks with 3 and Edmunds a team high 3 steals.   

Flanigan and Dylan Wurtz paced the Titans with 18 and 16 points respectively.

I would have to fall on the side of those who would prefer to see an opponent attempt a half court shot rather than a free throw and a basket on an intentional miss. 

     

[stoutfan1]

That half court shot was a killer from about 52 feet and loosely defended. Refereeing was horrible tonight as Point was mugged continually. One more free throw would have won it in regulation. Then a three by a guy shooting 11% on the year. Go Figure. I'm not one to complain much about reffing because they have a tough job, but Point was continually being hand checked and pushed with no calls. Many of those offensive rebounds were over the back of Point players. But give Stout credit for taking it to Point.

If the Pointers got the shortend from the refs at home, that would be the first time in my experience that has ever happened

[stoutfan1]

Why give them a chance at a 3?  Too bad.  Not a good final for Senior's night.

Why give them a chance at an offensive rebound and putback?

How often does a team get an offensive rebound with a quick putback on a free throw? If you're Point dont you trust your big man, JB, to get that rebound? or even Dan Tillema to rise up and secure it? As a basketball player I think it is much easier to shoot a loosely defended half court shot than make a free throw, have the perfect miss on the second while the other team rebounds poorly, and get a quick shot up with under 2 seconds remaining. Defensively you dont get in the face of the shooter for the risk of a 'bad call' and a foul being assesed. Again it's a coaching decision but you see a halfcourt shot on TV being made like that much more often than you hear of the free throw option going bad.

On a side note...... Stouts win tonight was the best way to end the season that couldve happened

I see half court shots land in the bleachers far more often than I see an offensive rebound and a put back after a free throw. They just don't show those attempts on TV. I'll let them shoot from 50 feet. You go ahead and let them shoot from 5 feet.

Now if the other team has time to get within 25-30 feet, then I might change my strategy. All depends on the clock.

They show game winning shots on TV all the time. I think if a coach made the decision to foul (NBA, D1, or anyother televised basketball game) up 3 with just a couple seconds remaining on the clock and it baskfired, it would be shown on ESPN just like anyother close game or game winning shots. I just think of a half court shot only one thing has to go right, you shoot and make it. In the foul situation the process is much more complex and more unlikely everything falls into place perfectly.

[Greek Tragedy]

Speaking of tv, can anyone send in that video feed to d3hoops so they can post it on their buzzer beaters page?  I don't think I've seen any on d3hoops though I know there has been a couple of them from the wiac.