MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[stoutfan1]

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/241086/steven-pax

This is the only link Ive seen it at so far. If I find another one Ill let your know. Plus there is no sound sadly

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

FYI: UW-River Falls Coach Jeff Berkhof will be featured on Hoopsville tonight in our "School of the Week" segment. The show starts at 7:30 PM EST and Coach Berkhof will be on at about 8 PM EST.

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See you tonight!

[Just Bill]

Speaking of tv, can anyone send in that video feed to d3hoops so they can post it on their buzzer beaters page?  I don't think I've seen any on d3hoops though I know there has been a couple of them from the wiac.

The half-court shot by Stout is up on the buzzer beater page.

[SilversSports]

FYI: Lake Forest Coach Jeff Berkhof will be featured on Hoopsville tonight in our "School of the Week" segment. The show starts at 7:30 PM EST and Coach Berkhof will be on at about 8 PM EST.

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See you tonight!

You mean River Falls, not Lake Forest

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yeah - happens when I copy and paste... terribly sorry about that!

[Pat Coleman]

That shot will also be on Top Plays tonight, I've been told (by the person I sent it to at ESPN)!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

If you missed tonight's Hoopsville show, the archive is already available: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb16-show

Coach Berkhof was on around the 30 minute mark or so.

[Falcons04]

Just listened to the hoopsville broadcast with coach Berk.  Thanks to Dave for having him on.

One topic they covered on the show that I wanted to throw out to everyone here - If RF wins Satuday and goes on to win the conference tourney, they would end up at #1 in the West region rankings.  Given their small, outdated facility, would they be considered as a possible host in the NCAA's?  Anyone have an idea how the NCAA would look at this? 

I know it would take some tough wins to get to that point, but I just can't imagine the NCAA would be happy hosting games at Karges.

[Gregory Sager]

Just listened to the hoopsville broadcast with coach Berk.  Thanks to Dave for having him on.

One topic they covered on the show that I wanted to throw out to everyone here - If RF wins Satuday and goes on to win the conference tourney, they would end up at #1 in the West region rankings.  Given their small, outdated facility, would they be considered as a possible host in the NCAA's?  Anyone have an idea how the NCAA would look at this? 

I know it would take some tough wins to get to that point, but I just can't imagine the NCAA would be happy hosting games at Karges.

The Karges Center holds 2,000 fans. The D3 championship manual states that a host site must hold at least 1,000 fans. Therefore, the Karges Center is well within the bounds of what the NCAA considers to be an acceptable site. It's held D3 sectionals in much smaller gyms than Karges (e.g., Lawrence's Alexander Gym).

[John Gleich]

Just listened to the hoopsville broadcast with coach Berk.  Thanks to Dave for having him on.

One topic they covered on the show that I wanted to throw out to everyone here - If RF wins Satuday and goes on to win the conference tourney, they would end up at #1 in the West region rankings.  Given their small, outdated facility, would they be considered as a possible host in the NCAA's?  Anyone have an idea how the NCAA would look at this? 

I know it would take some tough wins to get to that point, but I just can't imagine the NCAA would be happy hosting games at Karges.

Sure, Karges isn't that big... but do you know how many it holds?  I think it has to hold at least 1000... if it does, then they can host.

Interestingly, if you go to RF's website, there's a facilities link... that says "coming soon."  Wishful thinking...?   


D3hoops has the approximate gym capacities... and lists Karges at 2000.  I don't know that you could get 1500 in there, let alone 2000...  Any RF fans know the last time the gym was packed... and can look up the attendance for that game?

It has been done at smallish facilities before... Lawrence hosted about 6 or 7 years ago with bleachers on only one side of the gym.  They cleared the gym between games so there were enough seats for all of the teams.  Alexander gym is listed at 1280

'Course, even Point did split sessions two years ago... and if you look at the 4 UWSP games, they were pretty full but not 100% sold out:

Carleton: 2052
St. Norbert: 2101
UT Dallas: 2375
Illinois Wesleyan: 2276

Capacity is listed at 2787... but the only times that I've seen the gym all the way full were during the second championship run.

It kind of depends which teams are in the pod... if it's another WIAC team (hopefully not....) or a MIAC team then it likely will be filled to the gills.  If other teams have to travel from far distances and/or if the women's teams are also participating... these can all factor into how many people actually show up.

[John Gleich]

Just listened to the hoopsville broadcast with coach Berk.  Thanks to Dave for having him on.

One topic they covered on the show that I wanted to throw out to everyone here - If RF wins Satuday and goes on to win the conference tourney, they would end up at #1 in the West region rankings.  Given their small, outdated facility, would they be considered as a possible host in the NCAA's?  Anyone have an idea how the NCAA would look at this? 

I know it would take some tough wins to get to that point, but I just can't imagine the NCAA would be happy hosting games at Karges.

The Karges Center holds 2,000 fans. The D3 championship manual states that a host site must hold at least 1,000 fans. Therefore, the Karges Center is well within the bounds of what the NCAA considers to be an acceptable site. It's held D3 sectionals in much smaller gyms than Karges (e.g., Lawrence's Alexander Gym).

I think the Karges certainly holds more than 1000... but there's no chance it actually holds 2000...

There are no seats behind the basket and the seats on the sidelines don't really go that high.

The seats behind the benches actually don't go up very high at all...

See this pic here:




I'm not sure if you can make it out... but the top 4 or 5 rows of bleachers aren't even pulled out so make room for the teams' benches.


As I said, it's moot b/c it's over 1k... but tickets may be hard to come by depending who would be in the potential pod.


... might be getting ahead of ourselves a bit, there's a lot of basketball left to be played!

And, FWIW, RF's biggest crowd was 788 when they hosted St. Thomas... who I think travels decently well.

[Greek Tragedy]

It's a lot to go over, but here's what I posted over in the Pool C board.


HERE IS THE REGIONAL RANKINGS FOR WEEK 2 WITH THIS WEEK'S SCHEDULES AND RESULTS SO FAR

TEAMS IN BOLD ARE CONFERENCE LEADERS

ATL
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL	SCHEDULE
#1	#2	William Paterson**	NJAC	21-3, 21-3	WON vs CCNY 75-49
#2	#1	Staten Island	CUNYAC	18-2, 19-4	WON at St. Joseph's (Bklyn) 76-54
#3	#3	St. Joseph's (LI)	SKY	19-2, 19-3	WON at SUNY-Old Westbury 102-81, at SUNY-Purchase 2/18
#4	#4	Richard Stockton**	NJAC	16-6, 17-7	WON at Kean 80-77
#5	#5	New Jersey City	NJAC	15-5, 17-6	LOST vs Rutgers-Newark 55-51
EAST
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#1	#1	Hartwick	E8	21-2, 22-2	vs Stevens 2/18
#2	#2	Oswego State	SUNYAC	19-2, 19-3	WON vs Geneseo St. 67-56, vs Buffalo St. 2/17, vs Fredonia St. 2/18
#3	#4	Hobart	LL	18-4, 19-4	at Bard 2/17, at Vassar 2/18
#4	#3	NYU	UAA	18-4, 18-4	vs Chicago 2/17, vs Washington U. 2/19
#5	#5	Medaille	AMCC	20-2, 21-2	WON vs D'Youville, vs La Roche 2/18
#6	#6	Nazareth	E8	16-6, 16-8	at St. John Fisher 2/18
GR. LK.
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#1	#1	Hope	MIAA	14-0, 22-1	WON at Olivet 75-60, vs Trine 2/18
#2	#2	Wittenberg	NCAC	16-4, 18-5	WON at DePauw 56-55, vs Hiram 2/18
#3	#3	Wooster	NCAC	17-4, 19-4	WON vs Allegheny 91-61, vs DePauw 2/18
#4	#4	Ohio Wesleyan	NCAC	16-6, 17-6	WON at Wabash 82-81, Denison 2/18
#5	#5	Wabash	NCAC	15-6, 17-6	LOST vs Ohio Wesleyan 82-81, at Oberlin 2/18
#6	N/A	Bethany (W.Va.)	PrAC	19-2, 20-3	WON vs Westminster (Pa.) 91-65, at St. Vincent 2/18
		DROPPING OUT
	#6	Capital	OAC	14-7, 15-8
MID.ATL
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#1	#1	Cabrini	CSAC	23-0, 23-1	WON at Keystone 96-85
#2	#2	Keystone	CSAC	20-4, 20-4	LOST vs Cabrini 96-85
#3	#5	Franklin & Marshall	CC	21-2, 21-2	WON at Johns Hopkins 71-63, at Dickinson 2/18
#4	#4	Mary Washington*	CAC	15-5, 16-7	WON vs Stevenson 94-59, at Wesley 2/18
#5	#6	St. Mary's (Md)*	CAC	16-5, 18-6	vs Frostburg State 2/18
#6	#7	Messiah	MACC	15-6, 16-6	WON at Alvernia 57-54, vs Elizabethtown 2/18
#7	#8	Misericordia	MACF	17-6, 17-6	WON vs King's 60-53, at Manhattanville 2/18
#8	N/A	Widener	MACC	13-6, 17-6	WON vs Lebanon Valley 91-70, at Albright 2/18
#9	#3	Lycoming	MACC	15-6, 17-7	WON at Elizabethtown 69-68, vs Alvernia 2/18
		DROPPING OUT
	#9	Alvernia	MACC	14-7, 16-7
MW
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#1	#1	Washington U.	UAA	17-4, 17-5	at Brandeis 2/17, at NYU 2/19
#2	#3	Lake Forest	MWC	18-2, 19-2	WON vs Knox 64-50, at Grinnell 2/18
#3	#2	Transylvania	HCAC	20-1, 21-2	WON at Hanover 74-65, at Bluffton 2/18
#4	#4	Wheaton (IL)	CCIW	16-5, 18-5	vs North Park 2/18
#5	#5	North Central (IL)	CCIW	15-5, 16-7	WON at North Park 75-49, vs Millikin 2/18
#6	#6	Illinois Wesleyan	CCIW	15-6, 17-6	WON at Millikin 84-45, vs Elmhurst 2/18
#7	N/A	Hanover	HCAC	16-5, 16-6	LOST vs Transylvania 74-65, at Rose-Hulman 2/18
#8	#7	Edgewood	NATH	16-5, 18-5	LOST at Concordia (WI) 69-66, vs Concordia (IL) 2/18
		DROPPING OUT
	#8	Concordia (WI)	NATH	17-4, 18-4
NE
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#1	#1	Amherst	NESCAC	20-2, 22-2	vs Hamilton 2/18
#2	#2	Middlebury	NESCAC	20-2, 22-2	vs Williams 2/18
#3	#4	W. Connecticut	LEC	19-4, 19-4	LOST at Rhode Island College 79-78, vs Plymouth State 2/18
#4	#7	MIT	NEWMAC	22-1, 22-1	WON at WPI 71-66
#5	#8	Keene State*	LEC	15-4, 18-5	LOST vs Eastern Connecticut 65-62, at Rhode Island College 2/18
#6	#3	Rhode Island College	LEC	18-5, 18-5	WON Western Connecticut 79-78, vs Keene State 2/18
#7	#5	WPI	NEWMAC	17-5, 17-5	LOST vs MIT 71-66, vs Clark 2/18
#8	#9	Wesleyan (Conn)	NESCAC	19-4, 19-5	vs Bowdoin 2/18
#9	#6	E. Connecticut*	LEC	18-5, 18-5	WON at Keene State 65-62, at Mass-Boston 2/18
#10	#12	Albertus Magnus	GNAC	22-1, 22-1	WON at Johnson and Wales 87-73, vs St. Joseph's (Maine) 2/18
#11	#11	Becker	NECC	19-4, 19-4	WON at Wheelock 74 -69, at Mitchell 2/18
#12	#10	Tufts	NESCAC	16-7, 16-7	vs Bates 2/18
SOUTH
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#1	#1	Mary Hardin-Baylor	ASC	21-1, 22-1	vs Schreiner 2/16, at Texas Lutheran 2/18
#2	#2	Virginia Wesleyan	ODAC	18-3, 19-3	WON at Lynchburg 73-62, vs Emory and Henry 2/18, vs Washington and Lee 2/19
#3	#4	Randolph-Macon	ODAC	16-3, 19-4	at hampden-Sydney 2/18
#4	#3	Birmingham-Southern	SCAC	19-1, 22-1	WON at Berry 69-58, vs Oglethorpe 2/18
#5	#6	Emory	UAA	18-4, 18-4	at Carnegie Mellon 2/17, at Case Western Reserve 2/19
#6	#5	Christopher Newport	USAC	16-4, 19-4	WON at Shenandoah 69-60, vs Averett 2/18
#7	#7	Guilford	ODAC	15-6, 16-7	at Eastern Mennonite 2/18
#8	#8	Hardin-Simmons	ASC	15-6, 17-6	vs Sul Ross State 2/16, vs Howard Payne 2/18
WEST
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#1	#1	River Falls*	WIAC	18-3, 18-5	LOST at La Crosse 74-66, vs Whitewater 2/18
#2	#2	Stevens Point*	WIAC	17-4, 19-4	LOST vs Stout 67-64 OT, at Eau Claire 2/18
#3	#3	Whitewater*	WIAC	20-3, 20-3	WON vs Oshkosh 76-64, at River Falls 2/18
#4	#4	Whitworth	NWC	19-2, 20-3	WON at Whitman 81-74, vs Willamette 2/18
#5	#5	CMS	SCIAC	15-1, 21-1	WON at Cal Lutheran 57-46, at Occidental 2/18
#6	#7	Gustavus Adolphus	MIAC	17-5, 18-5	WON at Concordia-Moorhead, vs Bethel 2/18
#7	#6	St. Thomas	MIAC	15-6, 16-6	WON at Bethel 69-55, vs St. Mary's (MN) 2/18
#8	#9	Whitman	NWC	15-6, 17-6	LOST vs Whitworth 81-74, vs Willamette 2/17
#9	N/A	Puget Sound	NWC	13-5, 18-5	at Lewis and Clarke 2/17, at Linfield 2/18
		DROPPING OUT
	#8	Dubuque	IIAC	15-5, 16-8

[Gregory Sager]

PS, it all depends upon how many rows of bleachers there are. For bleachers that extend from one regulation length to the other (the regulation length is six feet of space beyond the endline, so we're talking 106 feet all told), you have space per bleacher row for approximately sixty people. Five rows means 300 people can sit there. Ten rows means 600 people can sit there.

If the bleachers at Karges go up sixteen rows, then you've got 960 people per side, or 1,920 total, which somebody probably rounded up to 2,000 when they gave Pat Coleman the gym's capacity to put in the UWRF profile on d3hoops.com.

I can't tell from the pics on the UWRF site how many rows there are.

[Greek Tragedy]

IN THIS TABLE, I TOOK OUT THE CONFERENCE LEADERS, USING THEM AS POOL A (AUTOMATIC QUALIFIERS).  IF TEAMS WERE TIED ATOP THEIR RESPECTIVE CONFERENCE, I TOOK OUT THE HIGHER RANKED TEAM. 

I'm going to take a quick look at each region and throw out some thoughts.  I'm not an expert at the Pool C decision-making process, I've never played an expert on T.V. and I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in quite sometime.  Admittedly, I haven't had time to look at SOS and stuff like that.  I'm just basing my initial thoughts on the regional rankings.

Comments are encouraged!

ATL
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL	SCHEDULE
#4	#4	Richard Stockton**	NJAC	16-6, 17-7	WON at Kean 80-77
#5	#5	New Jersey City	NJAC	15-5, 17-6	LOST vs Rutgers-Newark 55-51

Richard Stockton will probably have to get into the NJAC Final and lose to William Paterson to secure a Pool C spot.  I don't NJCU has a chance considering they already lost this week.

EAST
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#4	#3	NYU	UAA	18-4, 18-4	vs Chicago 2/17, vs Washington U. 2/19
#6	#6	Nazareth	E8	16-6, 16-8	at St. John Fisher 2/18

I think NYU is in.  Sorry Nazareth.   

GR. LK.
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#3	#3	Wooster	NCAC	17-4, 19-4	WON vs Allegheny 91-61, vs DePauw 2/18
#4	#4	Ohio Wesleyan	NCAC	16-6, 17-6	WON at Wabash 82-81, Denison 2/18
#5	#5	Wabash	NCAC	15-6, 17-6	LOST vs Ohio Wesleyan 82-81, at Oberlin 2/18
		DROPPING OUT
	#6	Capital	OAC	14-7, 15-8

Wooster is in, but the rest of the NCAC is on the fence, at best.

MID.ATL
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#2	#2	Keystone	CSAC	20-4, 20-4	LOST vs Cabrini 96-85
#5	#6	St. Mary's (Md)*	CAC	16-5, 18-6	vs Frostburg State 2/18
#8	N/A	Widener	MACC	13-6, 17-6	WON vs Lebanon Valley 91-70, at Albright 2/18
#9	#3	Lycoming	MACC	15-6, 17-7	WON at Elizabethtown 69-68, vs Alvernia 2/18
		DROPPING OUT
	#9	Alvernia	MACC	14-7, 16-7

Keystone should be in, and possibly St. Mary's

MW
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#4	#4	Wheaton (IL)	CCIW	16-5, 18-5	vs North Park 2/18
#6	#6	Illinois Wesleyan	CCIW	15-6, 17-6	WON at Millikin 84-45, vs Elmhurst 2/18
#7	N/A	Hanover	HCAC	16-5, 16-6	LOST vs Transylvania 74-65, at Rose-Hulman 2/18
#8	#7	Edgewood	NATH	16-5, 18-5	LOST at Concordia (WI) 69-66, vs Concordia (IL) 2/18
		DROPPING OUT
	#8	Concordia (WI)	NATH	17-4, 18-4

I think the CCIW is only getting one Pool C team and the NathCon is just getting the Pool A.

NE
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#2	#2	Middlebury	NESCAC	20-2, 22-2	vs Williams 2/18
#3	#4	W. Connecticut	LEC	19-4, 19-4	LOST at Rhode Island College 79-78, vs Plymouth State 2/18
#6	#3	Rhode Island College	LEC	18-5, 18-5	WON Western Connecticut 79-78, vs Keene State 2/18
#7	#5	WPI	NEWMAC	17-5, 17-5	LOST vs MIT 71-66, vs Clark 2/18
#8	#9	Wesleyan (Conn)	NESCAC	19-4, 19-5	vs Bowdoin 2/18
#9	#6	E. Connecticut*	LEC	18-5, 18-5	WON at Keene State 65-62, at Mass-Boston 2/18
#12	#10	Tufts	NESCAC	16-7, 16-7	vs Bates 2/18

The LEC could get two Pool Cs out of Eastern Connecticut, Western Connecticut and Rhode Island College.  Middlebury is a lock, but WPI could be left out.

SOUTH
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#3	#4	Randolph-Macon	ODAC	16-3, 19-4	at hampden-Sydney 2/18
#5	#6	Emory	UAA	18-4, 18-4	at Carnegie Mellon 2/17, at Case Western Reserve 2/19
#7	#7	Guilford	ODAC	15-6, 16-7	at Eastern Mennonite 2/18
#8	#8	Hardin-Simmons	ASC	15-6, 17-6	vs Sul Ross State 2/16, vs Howard Payne 2/18

I think it'll be real tough for two ODAC teams to get in.

WEST
WK2	WK1	TEAM	CON.	REG./OVERALL
#2	#2	Stevens Point*	WIAC	17-4, 19-4	LOST vs Stout 67-64 OT, at Eau Claire 2/18
#3	#3	Whitewater*	WIAC	20-3, 20-3	WON vs Oshkosh 76-64, at River Falls 2/18
#7	#6	St. Thomas	MIAC	15-6, 16-6	WON at Bethel 69-55, vs St. Mary's (MN) 2/18
#8	#9	Whitman	NWC	15-6, 17-6	LOST vs Whitworth 81-74, vs Willamette 2/17
#9	N/A	Puget Sound	NWC	13-5, 18-5	at Lewis and Clarke 2/17, at Linfield 2/18
		DROPPING OUT
	#8	Dubuque	IIAC	15-5, 16-8

The WIAC isn't making it easy on themselves, but should still get two Pool Cs.  St. Thomas is on the fence.

[emerging1]

Nice research, Prof. Stats!  Thanks.