MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

Pointer fans....Pointer Hoops Radio Show tomorrow at 6 pm.  I'd imagine we'll get some distinct answers on what is going on with Tillema.

Anyone listen to it?  Any worthy news?

It's tomorrow, Monday

Duh...sorry. It's only Sunday.

[Greek Tragedy]

My take on Lax at Point:  Three pointers were the difference.  I don't have statistics handy, but Point seemed to take more and make a higher percentage.  In general, La Crosse didn't shoot well Saturday afternoon.  But Point has a strong team and earned the win.

http://wiacsports.com/custompages/mbasket/1213/lcstp.htm

Overall, Point made 5 more shots on 6 less attempts.  34.6% to 50%

Point hit 7-20 from 3, La Crosse 4-22.  Point outrebounded La Crosse by 10, but La Crosse scored 8 more from the line.

[Greek Tragedy]

Greek's Random In-Season Power Rankings

1. Stevens Point (14-2, 7-0): Two big home wins without Tillema. 

Wed- vs. Stout:  WON 70-51
Sat- vs. La Crosse:  WON 62-57

Wed- vs. Platteville
Sat- at River Falls

2. La Crosse (12-4, 5-2): Nearly comes back against Point.

Wed- vs. River Falls: WON 73-54
Sat- at Stevens Point: LOST 62-57

Wed- at Stout
Sat- vs. Eau Claire

3. Whitewater (12-3, 5-2): Hiccup in Superior.

Wed- at Platteville: WON 74-61
Sat- at Superior: LOST 69-66

Wed- vs. Oshkosh
Sat- vs. Stout

4. Stout (12-3, 5-2): Bounces back after big loss.

Wed- at Stevens Point: LOST 70-51
Sat- at Oshkosh: WON 76-50

Wed- vs. La Crosse
Sat- at Whitewater

5. Platteville (11-5, 4-3): Can't protect home cooking.

Wed- Whitewater: LOST 74-61
Sat- Bye

Wed- at Stevens Point
Wed- at Superior

6. Superior (7-9, 3-4): Shocks Whitewater.

Wed- bye
Sat- vs. Whitewater: WON 69-66

Wed- at River Falls
Sat- vs. Platteville

7. Eau Claire (8-9, 2-6): First two wins. 

Wed- at Oshkosh: WON 59-56
Sat- vs. River Falls: WON 68-58

Wed- bye
Sat- at La Crosse


8. River Falls (5-11, 0-7): Needs home cooking.

Wed- at La Crosse: LOST 73-54
Sat- at Eau Claire: LOST 68-58

Wed- vs. Superior
Sat- vs. Stevens Point


9. Oshkosh (6-10, 1-6): Heads south.

Wed- vs. Eau Claire: LOST 59-56
Sat- vs. Stout: LOST 76-50

Wed- at Whitewater
Sat- bye


Oshkosh should be #8 and River Falls #9. Hard to edit on my phone.

[John Gleich]

I would think the eligibility would have already been determined.  You aren't going to have, say Tillema, play a 10th game, and then sit him out the rest of the year, hoping you go far into the tourney so you can get another year out of him.

I'm not necessarily saying that they should let him play for another game, assuming that SP will go far in the tournament... I was more just wondering if those games would be taken into account.

For instance... if Tyler had played in the Edgewood game as well (and he'd already played 10 games) but hurt himself again in the St Thomas game and didn't play the rest of the year, if the total game count came to 30, would he be eligible for an additional year?

[John Gleich]

School	Record	+/-
Stevens Point	7-0	+4
Whitewater	5-2	+2
Stout	5-2	+2
La Crosse	5-2	+1
Platteville	4-3	-1
Superior	3-4	-1
Eau Claire	2-6	-2
Oshkosh	1-6	-3
River Falls	0-7	-3

(Reminder: +1 for road win, -1 for home loss)

One game to play to complete the first round robin.

[voice]

Trivial note involving WW-Superior games of recent ilk....

The Yellowjackets in have beaten UWW three times in the last four meetings between the teams...

1/12/13  Mertz Mortorelli Gym Superior, Wis.   UW-Superior 69, UW-Whitewater 66
2/11/12  Mertz Mortorelli Gym Superior, Wis.   UW-Superior 60, UW-Whitewater 58
1/14/12  Kachel Gym in Whitewater, Wis.   UW-Whitewater 80, UW-Superior 58 
2/22/11   Kachel Gym in Whitewater, WI   UW-Superior 78, UW-Whitewater 72

[Greek Tragedy]

I would guess those games do not count. Pretend he played 10 games. I would guess they would make a decision before the end of the season. I would think they wouldn't say he's not eligible now, and then say he is after 7 post season games or whatever is needed.

[Just Bill]

Guidelines for Medical Hardship Waiver Requests

For a student-athlete to receive a Medical Hardship Waiver per Bylaw 14.2.4, the following four conditions must be met:

1. The student-athlete may not have participated in more than [edited] one-third of the team's completed contests/dates of competition.
2. The injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the season.
3. The injury or illness does not have to occur during practice/competition, but it must be incapacitating.
4. Appropriate medical documentation must exist and be provided.

Also note, that Medical Hardship Waivers are applied for at the END of the season. So there's no need to declare anything while the season is in progress.

For the full, detailed rule out of the NCAA Manual follow the link and go to Page 95, Rule 14.2.5 - Hardship Waiver: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D313.pdf

[Pat Coleman]

Just Bill -- I have seen the 20% cited, but I have seen many players with more than that number of games played who have gotten hardship seasons, and I have heard 33% spoken many times. Can you shed any light on that?

[palum]

Sup sticks it UWW today.

D'oh!

Superior wins 69-66


I can't remember Superior ever shooting as well as they did today...

Sup shoots 52% and holds Whitewater to 41%.

Superior's turnovers almost lost it for them, but Whitewater couldn't capitalize.

Big Boy Byrne had a great game today, for 16 points (12 in the second half) and 5 boards on 7/8 shooting from the field. Whitewater couldn't do much but try to deny him the ball... when he got it inside, he was going to score, but they did get a few steals.


I don't think that Superior is quite using Byrne as well as they could. I think back to how Platteville used to run sets to isolate inside for Jeff Skemp. They reversed the ball and allowed him to seal, as opposed to simply making him work to get open all of the time.

Curt Hanson has moved back to Deerfield, IL not far from me and he's coaching high school basketball here. I saw them play this morning while my kids were at their swim lessons... and considerably smaller inside players were getting open with these types of sets. It's VERY hard to guard if you've got a team who can reverse the ball quickly, and Byrne, not being the most nimble bloke in the world, could definitely benefit from this.  Just don't do it against Stevens Point 

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How many 3 pointers did Hansen's team take ??

[Just Bill]

Just Bill -- I have seen the 20% cited, but I have seen many players with more than that number of games played who have gotten hardship seasons, and I have heard 33% spoken many times. Can you shed any light on that?

Taking a look at the Division III Manual that I linked it clearly says "one-third" of the season. It appears the bullet point summary that I cut and pasted may be out of date or refers to another division's rules possibly. (I will edit it now, to read one-third).

To make the calculation, you take the number of games played by the player, divided by the total number of maximum allowable contests plus one. So for basketball, the denominator would be 25+1 or 26. So applying the one-third standard, you get a maximum of 8.67 games could be played. As was stated, you then round up to the next whole number, meaning the maximum allowable number of contests that can be played and still receive a medical hardship waiver is 9.

The injury has to occur in the first half of the season. So by playing a player even for a moment in the second half of the season, would certainly put his medical hardship waiver in jeopardy. Once that player returns to the court, it's going to be hard to argue the injury occurred in the first half of the season. You would either have to argue that A) he was healthy enough to return, which would mean his injury wasn't season ending in the first place, or B) he wasn't healthy enough to return, but we put him out there anyway, and now he's REALLY hurt. Good luck getting your athletic trainer and team doctor to sign off on that statement.

[John Gleich]

Trivial note involving WW-Superior games of recent ilk....

The Yellowjackets in have beaten UWW three times in the last four meetings between the teams...

1/12/13  Mertz Mortorelli Gym Superior, Wis.   UW-Superior 69, UW-Whitewater 66
2/11/12  Mertz Mortorelli Gym Superior, Wis.   UW-Superior 60, UW-Whitewater 58
1/14/12  Kachel Gym in Whitewater, Wis.   UW-Whitewater 80, UW-Superior 58 
2/22/11   Kachel Gym in Whitewater, WI   UW-Superior 78, UW-Whitewater 72

Great info (especially if you're a Yellowjacket fan...?)

[ExBBaller40]

School	Record	+/-
Stevens Point	7-0	+4
Whitewater	5-2	+2
Stout	5-2	+2
La Crosse	5-2	+1
Platteville	4-3	-1
Superior	3-4	-1
Eau Claire	2-6	-2
Oshkosh	1-6	-3
River Falls	0-7	-3

(Reminder: +1 for road win, -1 for home loss)

One game to play to complete the first round robin.

Crazy to think that Stevens Point has a two game head start on the conference having played the last few games without Tillema (especially against solid teams in Stout and La Crosse, albeit on their home floor)...just think how good that team will be when he gets back to full strength.

[John Gleich]

Sup sticks it UWW today.

D'oh!

Superior wins 69-66


I can't remember Superior ever shooting as well as they did today...

Sup shoots 52% and holds Whitewater to 41%.

Superior's turnovers almost lost it for them, but Whitewater couldn't capitalize.

Big Boy Byrne had a great game today, for 16 points (12 in the second half) and 5 boards on 7/8 shooting from the field. Whitewater couldn't do much but try to deny him the ball... when he got it inside, he was going to score, but they did get a few steals.


I don't think that Superior is quite using Byrne as well as they could. I think back to how Platteville used to run sets to isolate inside for Jeff Skemp. They reversed the ball and allowed him to seal, as opposed to simply making him work to get open all of the time.

Curt Hanson has moved back to Deerfield, IL not far from me and he's coaching high school basketball here. I saw them play this morning while my kids were at their swim lessons... and considerably smaller inside players were getting open with these types of sets. It's VERY hard to guard if you've got a team who can reverse the ball quickly, and Byrne, not being the most nimble bloke in the world, could definitely benefit from this.  Just don't do it against Stevens Point 

How many 3 pointers did Hansen's team take ??

A few... I didn't watch to terribly long, maybe 4 minutes?

They were playing a team that was putting on a lot of pressure and taking DF out of what they were trying to do in the motion offense.

School	Record	+/-
Stevens Point	7-0	+4
Whitewater	5-2	+2
Stout	5-2	+2
La Crosse	5-2	+1
Platteville	4-3	-1
Superior	3-4	-1
Eau Claire	2-6	-2
Oshkosh	1-6	-3
River Falls	0-7	-3

(Reminder: +1 for road win, -1 for home loss)

One game to play to complete the first round robin.

Crazy to think that Stevens Point has a two game head start on the conference having played the last few games without Tillema (especially against solid teams in Stout and La Crosse, albeit on their home floor)...just think how good that team will be when he gets back to full strength.

Yep, I was thinking the same thing.

And Stout/LaX play this weekend, so it be even farther from team #4 (unless Point should lose to Platteville) and team #5.

[Greek Tragedy]

"Half way point" meaning the 12th game of a 25 game scheduleis the cutoff. 9th of 12 gamea. So if he plays the 13th game of the season, no matter what number of games he played, he would lose eligibility. Right?