MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[cubs]

I remember there being a lot of debate about that. The optimists were hoping the NCAA would take both. There was no way they could take one over the other, so they ended up canceling each other out and neither went...and probably rightfully so.

And everything appeared to go downhill from there fot the Titans....  They have a LONG road ahead to get back to the competitive team they used to be.

[stoutguy]

POTY- Chas Cross - PLT
COTY- Semling -SP

All-Conference

Chas Cross- PLT
Alex Oman- ST
Trevor Hass- SP
Jarrod Peterson- SUP
Luke Knoble- WW
Zach Peterson- RF
Jeff Heiden- LC
Clayton Heuer- SP
Quardell Young- WW
Erik Olson/Chris Hortman- ST **

Honorable Mention

Erik Olson/Chris Hortman- ST **
Cory Nickel- OSH
Bronson Byrne- SUP
Luke Tweed- LC
Jordan Peterson- EC
KJ Evans- WW
Joe Ritchay- SP
Arik Smith- RF
Nick Craggs- EC


There may be more Honorable Mentions.... Coaches might just have to vote for some players that just happened to play well against them in each individual game. All the numbers are so similar

**I see most of the coaches voting for Oman without a problem, but between Olson and Hortman I don't know enough about the process. Both seniors, but Olson has been in the league all 4 years. Hortman ended 3rd in scoring, but coaches understand the importance of Olsons leadership on the floor and was 1st in assists. I don't see 3 Stout players getting in although that would be very nice if it were to happen 

Here is what I think.  Stout will only get 1 player on the 1st team.  If that happens, it should be Eric Olson.  Oman shows up only part of the time, Hortman is a great offensive weapon who plays defense only occasionally, and Eric Olson is flat out, the best point guard in the conference and the unquestioned leader on this team.  Too bad the Stout coaches can't weigh in on this.  Trust me, they would tell you exactly what I am saying here. 

[tomt4525]

POTY- Chas Cross - PLT
COTY- Semling -SP

All-Conference

Chas Cross- PLT
Alex Oman- ST
Trevor Hass- SP
Jarrod Peterson- SUP
Luke Knoble- WW
Zach Peterson- RF
Jeff Heiden- LC
Clayton Heuer- SP
Quardell Young- WW
Erik Olson/Chris Hortman- ST **

Honorable Mention

Erik Olson/Chris Hortman- ST **
Cory Nickel- OSH
Bronson Byrne- SUP
Luke Tweed- LC
Jordan Peterson- EC
KJ Evans- WW
Joe Ritchay- SP
Arik Smith- RF
Nick Craggs- EC


There may be more Honorable Mentions.... Coaches might just have to vote for some players that just happened to play well against them in each individual game. All the numbers are so similar

**I see most of the coaches voting for Oman without a problem, but between Olson and Hortman I don't know enough about the process. Both seniors, but Olson has been in the league all 4 years. Hortman ended 3rd in scoring, but coaches understand the importance of Olsons leadership on the floor and was 1st in assists. I don't see 3 Stout players getting in although that would be very nice if it were to happen 

Here is what I think.  Stout will only get 1 player on the 1st team.  If that happens, it should be Eric Olson.  Oman shows up only part of the time, Hortman is a great offensive weapon who plays defense only occasionally, and Eric Olson is flat out, the best point guard in the conference and the unquestioned leader on this team.  Too bad the Stout coaches can't weigh in on this.  Trust me, they would tell you exactly what I am saying here.

To call him flat out, the best point guard in the conference is an exaggeration to me.  There are many things other than stats that make a great point guard which is why it can be highly debatable.  I think a healthy Ryf and Quardell Young should be in this discussion for best point guard in the conference along with Erik Olson.

[stoutguy]

POTY- Chas Cross - PLT
COTY- Semling -SP

All-Conference

Chas Cross- PLT
Alex Oman- ST
Trevor Hass- SP
Jarrod Peterson- SUP
Luke Knoble- WW
Zach Peterson- RF
Jeff Heiden- LC
Clayton Heuer- SP
Quardell Young- WW
Erik Olson/Chris Hortman- ST **

Honorable Mention

Erik Olson/Chris Hortman- ST **
Cory Nickel- OSH
Bronson Byrne- SUP
Luke Tweed- LC
Jordan Peterson- EC
KJ Evans- WW
Joe Ritchay- SP
Arik Smith- RF
Nick Craggs- EC


There may be more Honorable Mentions.... Coaches might just have to vote for some players that just happened to play well against them in each individual game. All the numbers are so similar

**I see most of the coaches voting for Oman without a problem, but between Olson and Hortman I don't know enough about the process. Both seniors, but Olson has been in the league all 4 years. Hortman ended 3rd in scoring, but coaches understand the importance of Olsons leadership on the floor and was 1st in assists. I don't see 3 Stout players getting in although that would be very nice if it were to happen 

Here is what I think.  Stout will only get 1 player on the 1st team.  If that happens, it should be Eric Olson.  Oman shows up only part of the time, Hortman is a great offensive weapon who plays defense only occasionally, and Eric Olson is flat out, the best point guard in the conference and the unquestioned leader on this team.  Too bad the Stout coaches can't weigh in on this.  Trust me, they would tell you exactly what I am saying here.

[u]To call him flat out, the best point guard in the conference is an exaggeration to me.  There are many things other than stats that make a great point guard which is why it can be highly debatable.[/u]  I think a healthy Ryf and Quardell Young should be in this discussion for best point guard in the conference along with Erik Olson.

Of course it's debatable.  That's why this is called an opinion board.  I was just trying to make the point that, in my opinion, on this Stout team, he is the best player and it's also my opinion that the best players in the conference should be on the first team regardless of position.  Regarding the comment that it's more than just stats, I agree.  And Eric could care less about stats.  That's why he plays the way he does.  If he were looking for individual honor, he would go after the almighty score for himself.

[havej]

I've seen Olson play in person twice and I agree he's Stout's best player and should be 1st team All WIAC - but to use "flat out" in describing his point guard status is very debatable considering most teams play 6 to 8 feet off of him and beg him to shoot. 

If a player is the absolute best at his position he must possess an all around game, and if a guard, needs to be able to shoot the ball.  He has the luxury of playing with 2 of the top 3 scorers in the league so many of his assists are to Oman and Hortman in catch and shoot situations off screens.

I know some aren't huge fans of Oman and Hortman, but without them, Olson's not getting those nice ball reversal dimes.

[stoutguy]

I've seen Olson play in person twice and I agree he's Stout's best player and should be 1st team All WIAC - but to use "flat out" in describing his point guard status is very debatable considering most teams play 6 to 8 feet off of him and beg him to shoot. 

If a player is the absolute best at his position he must possess an all around game, and if a guard, needs to be able to shoot the ball.  He has the luxury of playing with 2 of the top 3 scorers in the league so many of his assists are to Oman and Hortman in catch and shoot situations off screens.

I know some aren't huge fans of Oman and Hortman, but without them, Olson's not getting those nice ball reversal dimes.

Agreed on all counts.  I'm just realistic about the number of Stout players who will be 1st team and my lobby is for Eric.  I also get frustrated watching him pass up shots he should take because of the way teams are backing off him.  He is not a bad shooter---just a reluctant one.

[badgerwarhawk]

The coaches have already voted though I don't know if they necessarily know the outcome yet.  Coaches can nominate as many players as they wish but can not vote for players on their own team.  The top ten vote getters are the first team.  Anyone else who gets even a single vote is honorable mention.  After that is done they take a second vote among the top three vote getting players and the winner is POY.  I'm not sure when they vote for COY but I suppose it's probably done in the first round. 

Stoutguy, I think this could be the year that Stout gets more than one first teamer.   Are you coming down tonight? 

[havej]

BW / Stout Guy

Stout will definitely get more than 1 first teamer. 

[02 Warhawk]

I've seen Olson play in person twice and I agree he's Stout's best player and should be 1st team All WIAC - but to use "flat out" in describing his point guard status is very debatable considering most teams play 6 to 8 feet off of him and beg him to shoot. 

If a player is the absolute best at his position he must possess an all around game, and if a guard, needs to be able to shoot the ball.  He has the luxury of playing with 2 of the top 3 scorers in the league so many of his assists are to Oman and Hortman in catch and shoot situations off screens.

I know some aren't huge fans of Oman and Hortman, but without them, Olson's not getting those nice ball reversal dimes.

Agreed on all counts.  I'm just realistic about the number of Stout players who will be 1st team and my lobby is for Eric.  I also get frustrated watching him pass up shots he should take because of the way teams are backing off him.  He is not a bad shooter---just a reluctant one.

He's shooting under 40% on the year. Maybe his reluctantcy is a factor in his low shooting percentage.

[stoutguy]

The coaches have already voted though I don't know if they necessarily know the outcome yet.  Coaches can nominate as many players as they wish but can not vote for players on their own team.  The top ten vote getters are the first team.  Anyone else who gets even a single vote is honorable mention.  After that is done they take a second vote among the top three vote getting players and the winner is POY.  I'm not sure when they vote for COY but I suppose it's probably done in the first round. 

Stoutguy, I think this could be the year that Stout gets more than one first teamer.   Are you coming down tonight?

That's great news.  I would love to see multiple Stout 1st teamers. I am coming down tonight.  Look forward to seeing you.  Should be a fun game. 

[stoutguy]

I've seen Olson play in person twice and I agree he's Stout's best player and should be 1st team All WIAC - but to use "flat out" in describing his point guard status is very debatable considering most teams play 6 to 8 feet off of him and beg him to shoot. 

If a player is the absolute best at his position he must possess an all around game, and if a guard, needs to be able to shoot the ball.  He has the luxury of playing with 2 of the top 3 scorers in the league so many of his assists are to Oman and Hortman in catch and shoot situations off screens.

I know some aren't huge fans of Oman and Hortman, but without them, Olson's not getting those nice ball reversal dimes.

Agreed on all counts.  I'm just realistic about the number of Stout players who will be 1st team and my lobby is for Eric.  I also get frustrated watching him pass up shots he should take because of the way teams are backing off him.  He is not a bad shooter---just a reluctant one.

He's shooting under 40% on the year. Maybe his reluctantcy is a factor in his low shooting percentage.

Don't get me wrong.  Eric is not a great shooter.  But I think he is decent.  And you make a good point about his reluctancy being a factor in his percentage.  Also, his size makes it difficult to finish at the rim because of those big guys waiting for the kill.  He had a great look in the loss to SP, hesitated because of big kid inside, then shot and missed what would have been the winning shot before overtime.

[havej]

Here's the bottom line - let's look at the big picture regarding Olson.  I don't know him but I'm guessing because of his size he has overachieved and maximized whatever talent he was given.

He's a 4 year starter in a big time D3 conference and has set a school record - currently he's the leader of a squad that could receive an NCAA bid.

I'm thinkin' that's pretty darn good.

[badgerwarhawk]

The coaches have already voted though I don't know if they necessarily know the outcome yet.  Coaches can nominate as many players as they wish but can not vote for players on their own team.  The top ten vote getters are the first team.  Anyone else who gets even a single vote is honorable mention.  After that is done they take a second vote among the top three vote getting players and the winner is POY.  I'm not sure when they vote for COY but I suppose it's probably done in the first round. 

Stoutguy, I think this could be the year that Stout gets more than one first teamer.   Are you coming down tonight?

That's great news.  I would love to see multiple Stout 1st teamers. I am coming down tonight.  Look forward to seeing you.  Should be a fun game. 

Ok, if you're coming I will skip bowling and go to the game. 

[stoutfan1]

Stout will get 2 1st teamers for sure and have the possibility of 3. I really like Olson and he controls the game very well. As people have mentioned, to call him flat out the best pg in the league might be over the top. He is a great passer and can get to the rim often, but he is not necessarily a great all-around point guard. The only numbers that jump off the page are his assists. Teams literally "dare" him to shoot a pull-up 16 footer and he is rarely willing. As others have said, having 2 tops scorers on his team help with the "reversal" assists that he didn't really have to work for. With that said I still think he is very deserving of an All-Conference selection with his leadership and control of the game. Oman is a lock in my mind. Even though he might not of had the season expected by many, he still ended 2nd in scoring and shooting about 43% from the field and 4.8 rpg. Even with Hortman on the team it looked like teams went into games planning for Oman, not Hortman.

Either way Olson, Oman, and Hortman are all deserving candidates and hopefully they all get that honor. Finishing 3rd in the conference makes it a realistic opportunity in my mind. Go Olson and Go Blue Devils!

[thrunt01]

Stout will get 2 1st teamers for sure and have the possibility of 3. I really like Olson and he controls the game very well. As people have mentioned, to call him flat out the best pg in the league might be over the top. He is a great passer and can get to the rim often, but he is not necessarily a great all-around point guard. The only numbers that jump off the page are his assists. Teams literally "dare" him to shoot a pull-up 16 footer and he is rarely willing. As others have said, having 2 tops scorers on his team help with the "reversal" assists that he didn't really have to work for. With that said I still think he is very deserving of an All-Conference selection with his leadership and control of the game. Oman is a lock in my mind. Even though he might not of had the season expected by many, he still ended 2nd in scoring and shooting about 43% from the field and 4.8 rpg. Even with Hortman on the team it looked like teams went into games planning for Oman, not Hortman.

Either way Olson, Oman, and Hortman are all deserving candidates and hopefully they all get that honor. Finishing 3rd in the conference makes it a realistic opportunity in my mind. Go Olson and Go Blue Devils!

I'd take Young over Olson. But it is pretty close.