MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[havej]

Why would Peterson and Young be compared?  They're two totally different players with different strengths, weaknesses, positions and roles.  I saw Superior play at least 5 times this year and in no way did I see Peterson in any type of point guard role.  He didn't get Superior into their offense, handle the ball against pressure, etc.

If there is a WIAC draft and both guys are available, every coach is taking Young ahead of Peterson and that's no shot at Peterson.  That's just the way it is.  I think both guys are legit first teamers, each one of the top 10 players in the conference.

Bball man - you should only use WIAC games as I know JP didn't average 20ppg in the league.  He had some monster games in Vegas which beefed up his average.

And I'm not arguing either, just enjoy talking ball.

[badgerwarhawk]

Badgerwarhawk - While you do make a lot of vaild points and I'm not arguing with you, here are some other numbers:

Peterson
Field goal %: 48.7
Free-throw %: 83.1 (2nd in conference)
Rebounds: 5.8 per game (8th in conference and 3rd on his own team)
Points: 20.3 (1st in conference)
Free-throws made: 123 (1st in conference)
3-pt %: 42.7 (6th in conference)
3-pt made: 47 (8th in conference)
Minutes per game: 32.6

Young
Field goal %: 54.1
Free-throw %: 68.2
Rebounds: 2.7 per game
Points: 10.5
Free-throws made: 45
3-pt %: 45.5 (didn't qualify to be on the leaderboard I think??)
3-pt made: 15
Minutes per game: 29.6

Also, Peterson played the two-guard last season and was forced into a point guard-type role this season, which he obviously wasn't too comfortable playing. He is not a point guard by any means. Young is a solid player, no question. But we all know that playing on a good team means your numbers will be a little more modest than some other players, however, your shooting percentages and other stats (other than points) will look better. It's a lot easier to hit open shots, which I assume Young was getting as oppose to shooting over players and going against the other team's best defensive player every single game. Not that it means anything, but Peterson had 5 30-point games this season (most in the league) and shot over 60% in those games as well. Like I said earlier, it makes for a fun argument. Hope all is well!

You make good points as well. 

I guess I'm comparing Young and Peterson for a couple of reasons.  One, in my perception which admittedly was only a single game both were point guards this year.  Two, a previous post indicated Young ranked 18th yet was a first teamer.  And finally the whole gist of this was that Peterson was slighted by not being named to the first team.  There were a bunch of good players in the league this year and being in the second ten is still pretty good.   

[basketballman14]

Havej - Totally understand what you are saying. Even in in-conference play, Peterson still led the league in scoring by more than 1 point per game. He scored in double-figures in 15 of the 16 games and shot even better from 3-point land (46%, good for 3rd in the conference) and made the 6th most 3's while taking less attempts than every guy ahead of him. I still think it's just bologna that he didn't make First Team and a guy like Royston or White did. Even though people have already said that Peterson's team finished with a better record than White's and Royston's numbers are below average in terms of shooting %. But this is a fun argument for sure!

[John Gleich]

Per Massey:

UWSP is a 23 point favorite over Marian:

http://masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=203290&t0=WI+Stevens+Pt&h=1&s1=203290&t1=Marian+WI



Whitewater is a 31 point favorite over Northwestern:

http://masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=203290&t0=Wisconsin-Whitewater&h=1&s1=203290&t1=Northwestern+MN




Looking towards potential match-ups for Saturday night:

UWSP vs Central - UWSP is a 23 point favorite
UWSP vs St. Olaf - UWSP is a 12 point favorite
(STO is a 9 pt favorite tonight)


WW vs St Thomas - WW is an 11 pt favorite
WW vs Augustana - WW is a 9 pt favorite
(Augie is a 3 pt favorite tonight)



Massey ratings:
@UWSP #1
Marian #68

Central #53
St. Olaf #10


@UWW #3
Northwestern #285

St. Thomas #20
Augustana #14

[Greek Tragedy]

See, I disagree. Clayton played three of his best games against Platteville in games that they NEEDED him to step up and match up against Chas Cross and carried the team at other times during the year.

Early on, Clayton may have struggled at times, but he's really turned it on in the second half of the year in my opinion.

Admittedly I have only seen about four games, but I read all the recaps. Off the top of my head I don't ever remember the articles implying Heuer carried the team. Three great games and a solid 2nd half doesn't warrant 1st team all-conference...

[John Gleich]

See, I disagree. Clayton played three of his best games against Platteville in games that they NEEDED him to step up and match up against Chas Cross and carried the team at other times during the year.

Early on, Clayton may have struggled at times, but he's really turned it on in the second half of the year in my opinion.

Admittedly I have only seen about four games, but I read all the recaps. Off the top of my head I don't ever remember the articles implying Heuer carried the team. Three great games and a solid 2nd half doesn't warrant 1st team all-conference...

You're assuming that carrying the team would show up in the writeup. They typically tell about the general flow of the game and give the highest scorers, which are most likely going to be Tillema and Hass in large part because they're the recipient of garbage fts which inflate their stats.

[Gregory Sager]

UWSP barely holds on to beat Marian, 66-64.

[AppletonRocks]

The trainers at Point better have some sphincter relaxants out because the Pointers could not have played tighter.  Lucky to beat Marian tonight. 

[ShineTime]

Relax guys points last championship run also included a first round 1 point victory on their home floor. 

[Greek Tragedy]

You're assuming that carrying the team would show up in the writeup. They typically tell about the general flow of the game and give the highest scorers, which are most likely going to be Tillema and Hass in large part because they're the recipient of garbage fts which inflate their stats.

Wow, really John? Hass averages 2.5 made free throws A GAME. Tillema's is 4.5. Assume half are made in the last 5 minutes of the game. Even if both didn't make any free throws the whole year, they would average over 15 points a game. Hass and Tillema are in there at the end of the game, something that Heuer isn't a lot of the time. They are in there is carry the team to victory at the end.

If there are games that Heuer did carry the team, it would be mentioned, even if it was defensively. I know you played and more of a student of the game. You are partial to post playes.  Im more of a numbers guy. Last year Erik Olsen made AC and he didn't have great stats, but I know he deserved it. Heuer doesn't...and neither does Royston.

[havej]

DMJ - really appreciate the player statistics and the explanation of Ollie White's numbers.  Last thing, would it be a problem to publish the numbers of the players who made 1st team as well as honorable mention?

If not, no problem and thank you again for the recent post.

[Klompen]

From a Central fan, Heuer seems like a capable scorer.   

Good luck to the Pointers the rest of the way!

[Greek Tragedy]

He averaged less than 10 pts a game. He has had some very productive games. He has had a lot of less-than-stellar games though. Yes, he is capable of putting up solid numbers, he just hasn't been as consistent as some of us would like. I like Heuer, don't get me wrong, he just didn't deserve 1st team all-conference this year.

[frodotwo]

He averaged less than 10 pts a game. He has had some very productive games. He has had a lot of less-than-stellar games though. Yes, he is capable of putting up solid numbers, he just hasn't been as consistent as some of us would like. I like Heuer, don't get me wrong, he just didn't deserve 1st team all-conference this year.

Today he was deserving of it. He is a somewhat forgotten cog in the wheel sometimes, and believe me I am one of his greatest critics at times the past couple of years, but he has improved greatly in the past two months. I think that being the 3rd or 4th option at times he doesn't get into the flow of the game and doesn't look the best, but he was voted 1st team based on the opinion of coaches in the conference, not us fans who are too critical or hand out praise too easily at times..

Anyway, kudos to Central on a fine game. Point was stymied trying to get inside by the height and length of their interior defense time and again. I can see why they won their league. Great inside and outside offense. Kaerwer was held in check by Ryf, but penetrated often to the tune of NINE assists. Greenfield was a load inside and on the boards. While not the most physical player I've seen this year, he was active and his length caused big problems. Central was only credited for 5 blocks but I'm sure there were more. Eckerman hounded Hass all night long and limited him to 7 shots. Austin Ryf finally hit some outside shots, which was great to see.  Best game of the year by Heuer, the reason Point was was his play tonight. TEN missed free throws, TEN    Anyway they fight to play another day as the saying goes.

My guess is that Point is the host next week, I don't think the NCAA flies 3 teams to either Atlanta or Dallas, and Point has an obvious H2H advantage over Whitewater. Not to mention that attendance at SP was 2028 last night while WW posted 703, Dallas 812 and 410 at Emory.

[John Gleich]

He averaged less than 10 pts a game. He has had some very productive games. He has had a lot of less-than-stellar games though. Yes, he is capable of putting up solid numbers, he just hasn't been as consistent as some of us would like. I like Heuer, don't get me wrong, he just didn't deserve 1st team all-conference this year.

Today he was deserving of it. He is a somewhat forgotten cog in the wheel sometimes, and believe me I am one of his greatest critics at times the past couple of years, but he has improved greatly in the past two months. I think that being the 3rd or 4th option at times he doesn't get into the flow of the game and doesn't look the best, but he was voted 1st team based on the opinion of coaches in the conference, not us fans who are too critical or hand out praise too easily at times..

Anyway, kudos to Central on a fine game. Point was stymied trying to get inside by the height and length of their interior defense time and again. I can see why they won their league. Great inside and outside offense. Kaerwer was held in check by Ryf, but penetrated often to the tune of NINE assists. Greenfield was a load inside and on the boards. While not the most physical player I've seen this year, he was active and his length caused big problems. Central was only credited for 5 blocks but I'm sure there were more. Eckerman hounded Hass all night long and limited him to 7 shots. Austin Ryf finally hit some outside shots, which was great to see.  Best game of the year by Heuer, the reason Point was was his play tonight. TEN missed free throws, TEN    Anyway they fight to play another day as the saying goes.

My guess is that Point is the host next week, I don't think the NCAA flies 3 teams to either Atlanta or Dallas, and Point has an obvious H2H advantage over Whitewater. Not to mention that attendance at SP was 2028 last night while WW posted 703, Dallas 812 and 410 at Emory.

RE attendance... were the figures correct? 2200 last night and 2000 tonight?

I imagine that it will be jam packed if Point hosts and both SP and WW make it to the Elite 8... but it just seems odd that these games wouldn't sell out 100%. Quandt's capacity is listed at 2787.... Could they really have fit 759 more people in the gym tonight, and another 500 last night?

From the sounds of the crowd noise on the video, it was REALLY loud... which generally only happens when Quandt has 2400+.

And it was nice to see the students finally organize a bit and get up out of their seats...