MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gregory Sager]

I'd say the odds of us repeating are slim given that it's only happened four times (Washington U 2008 & 2009; Stevens Point 2004 & 2005; Platteville 1998 & 1999 and North Park 1979 & 1980).

Five times, not four:

* North Park repeated the '78 title in '79
* North Park repeated the '79 title in '80
* UWP repeated the '98 title in '99
* UWSP repeated the '04 title in '05
* Washington (MO) repeated the '08 title in '09

BW, in 03-04, Amherst and Williams (NESCAC) met in the semi-finals.
In 09-10, Guilford and Randolph Macon (ODAC) both lost in the semi-finals (to Point/Williams) so they could have met.
In 10-11, Williams and Middlebury (NESCAC) both lost in the semi-finals (to St Thomas/Wooster) so they could have met.
And last year, Williams and Amherst (NESCAC) met in the semi-finals.

So, in the last decade, no two conference teams have met in the finals, but it could have happened on two different occasions.  I didn't look any further back than that, but prior to the expansion of the field, multiple teams from the same conferences was more rare and it was exceedingly rare to get them on opposite sides of the bracket.

There have been a few other years when WIAC teams were opposite of each other but both didn't even make it to the Sweet 16. I'll have to research those.

It's never happened before. There's never been a tourney in which two teams from the same league met for the national championship. Prior to the Amherst/Williams semifinal clash in '04, there had never been a case in which two teams from the same league made it to the Final Four.

[John Gleich]

I'd say the odds of us repeating are slim given that it's only happened four times (Washington U 2008 & 2009; Stevens Point 2004 & 2005; Platteville 1998 & 1999 and North Park 1979 & 1980).

Five times, not four:

* North Park repeated the '78 title in '79
* North Park repeated the '79 title in '80
* UWP repeated the '98 title in '99
* UWSP repeated the '04 title in '05
* Washington (MO) repeated the '08 title in '09

I was unable to find an instance where two teams from the same league played for the championship but I'm not completely familiar with all of the conferences so I might have missed one.  Regardless I'd say the odds of that happening are even worse.

It's never happened before. There's only been one occasion in which two teams from the same league made the Final Four. That was in '04, when Williams defeated Amherst in the semifinals. Amherst then lost to John Carroll in the (now defunct) third-place game, while Williams lost to UWSP in the championship game.

False!!

BW, in 03-04, Amherst and Williams (NESCAC) met in the semi-finals.
In 09-10, Guilford and Randolph Macon (ODAC) both lost in the semi-finals (to Point/Williams) so they could have met.
In 10-11, Williams and Middlebury (NESCAC) both lost in the semi-finals (to St Thomas/Wooster) so they could have met.
And last year, Williams and Amherst (NESCAC) met in the semi-finals.

So, in the last decade, no two conference teams have met in the finals, but it could have happened on two different occasions.  I didn't look any further back than that, but prior to the expansion of the field, multiple teams from the same conferences was more rare and it was exceedingly rare to get them on opposite sides of the bracket.

There have been a few other years when WIAC teams were opposite of each other but both didn't even make it to the Sweet 16. I'll have to research those.

[John Gleich]

So, since '02-'03, when multiple WIAC teams have made the dance... (I think I got them all)

02-03 - Point and Oshkosh could have met in the Elite 8. (Point lost in rd 2, Oshkosh lost in the Elite 8)
05-06 - Stout and Whitewater could have met in the Sweet 16 (both lost in rd 2). Either could have met La Crosse in the final (lost in rd 1)
06-07 - Stout and Point could have met in the championship (Stout lost in rd 2, Point in the Sweet 16)
07-08 - Whitewater and Point could have met in the championship (WW lost in rd 1, Point in rd 2)
08-09 - Bracket of Death - Platteville and Whitewater could have met in the Sweet 16, winner could have met Point in the Elite 8. All lost in rd 2.
09-10 - Whitewater and Point could have met in the championship. WW lost in rd 2. Point won the national title
10-11 - Point and RF could have met in the Sweet 16. RF lost in rd 1, Point lost in the Sweet 16
11-12 - Whitewater and RF could have met in the Sweet 16. Point could have met either in the championship. Point and RF lost in rd 1. WW won the national title
12-13 - Whitewater and Point could have met in the championship. Both lost in rd 2
13-14 - Whitewater and Point could have met in the Elite 8. Point lost in the Sweet 16. WW won the national title.

[Gregory Sager]

I'd say the odds of us repeating are slim given that it's only happened four times (Washington U 2008 & 2009; Stevens Point 2004 & 2005; Platteville 1998 & 1999 and North Park 1979 & 1980).

Five times, not four:

* North Park repeated the '78 title in '79
* North Park repeated the '79 title in '80
* UWP repeated the '98 title in '99
* UWSP repeated the '04 title in '05
* Washington (MO) repeated the '08 title in '09

I was unable to find an instance where two teams from the same league played for the championship but I'm not completely familiar with all of the conferences so I might have missed one.  Regardless I'd say the odds of that happening are even worse.

It's never happened before. There's only been one occasion in which two teams from the same league made the Final Four. That was in '04, when Williams defeated Amherst in the semifinals. Amherst then lost to John Carroll in the (now defunct) third-place game, while Williams lost to UWSP in the championship game.

False!!

BW, in 03-04, Amherst and Williams (NESCAC) met in the semi-finals.
In 09-10, Guilford and Randolph Macon (ODAC) both lost in the semi-finals (to Point/Williams) so they could have met.
In 10-11, Williams and Middlebury (NESCAC) both lost in the semi-finals (to St Thomas/Wooster) so they could have met.
And last year, Williams and Amherst (NESCAC) met in the semi-finals.

So, in the last decade, no two conference teams have met in the finals, but it could have happened on two different occasions.  I didn't look any further back than that, but prior to the expansion of the field, multiple teams from the same conferences was more rare and it was exceedingly rare to get them on opposite sides of the bracket.

There have been a few other years when WIAC teams were opposite of each other but both didn't even make it to the Sweet 16. I'll have to research those.

Whoa. Easy there on the trigger finger! I saw the mistake and corrected it before you sent your post.

[Just Bill]

Point won't have to be reminded that last year's NathCon champion (Marian) were within a buzzer beater of knocking them off. I don't think they fall asleep on Concordia Wis. this year.

[badgerwarhawk]

I'd say the odds of us repeating are slim given that it's only happened four times (Washington U 2008 & 2009; Stevens Point 2004 & 2005; Platteville 1998 & 1999 and North Park 1979 & 1980).

Five times, not four:

* North Park repeated the '78 title in '79
* North Park repeated the '79 title in '80
* UWP repeated the '98 title in '99
* UWSP repeated the '04 title in '05
* Washington (MO) repeated the '08 title in '09

Oops, sorry Greg.  Thanks for the correction.  I went through the list pretty quickly and missed it. 

[Hawkview]

Whitewater handled the Titans today.  Glad to see the Phi Betta Kappa guys from Whitewater could get out of the library to shout rude things at the Oshkosh fans.  Interesting that with a 17 point lead Pat Miller works the refs to get a Technical foul, one of three the Warhawks had today.  Might want to have a sportsmanship refresher if they host in NCAA tournament there. 

Congrates to WW.  Your program just continues to amaze me.  I will be hoping for another national championship.   But I have to wonder after watching Pat from close range for all these years, why people are so afraid to call it like it is and say that his behavior on the sidelines is way over the top.  After the game, during interviews, during the week, and in any situation that I have spoken with him he has been professional, friendly, and classy.  On the sideline during the game is a whole different story.  The number of stories are endless.  Now I expect to be ripped for suggesting anything remotely negative about WW, but go for it.  I am old and have thick skin.  Besides, I don't live for karma points.

HOW DARE YOU!!!! You're a former coach by your own admission. THere are plenty of detractors. How dare you criticize a coach. Un-believable!

Touche'. Big time touche'.  Although I don't know the facts at all regarding the Stout coach and your earlier comments, your strong comments about Stout's coach were far more harsh than we are used to on this board. As such, I didn't really like those comments. But this is one of those message board moments that I like to acknowledge. Your eyes must have gotten pretty big when you saw this post of Stoutguy. Well done.

"Touche'.  Big time touche".  Really, BleedPurple?  I wasn't going to respond and I promise to let this thing go right now, but I need to point out that I am offended that you are putting my reaction to Pat's sideline antics on the same level with Hoops and Golf's attack of Ed Andrist.  When I reacted to Pat's sideline behavior I also used the words, "classy, friendly, and professional" when discussing my opinion of Pat Miller.  As a matter of fact, if you ever talk to Pat why don't you bring this topic up and feel free to mention me in your discussion.  I have the utmost resect for Pat Miller and I think he knows that.  I just don't like his sideline antics and I stand by that.  End of discussion.  Good luck to both SP and WW in the tournament.  Both first class programs that the entire WIAC can be proud of.

I'm not real sure what you are referring to when mentioning coach Miller's sideline antics.  Can you be more specific?  Were you referring to the passion with which he coaches? Or, the fact that he correctly points out the blatant missed calls or incorrect calls?  Or, the fact that he has an obligation to protect his players (not to mention the other team's players) from injury when the officials get too lazy at the end of lopsided games to make a call?  If you are going to label Coach Miller's behavior as "over the top," how would you describe the behavior of the officials?   IMO, the officiating in this conference is poor at best, and, sadly, is not on a par with the quality of basketball played in this conference.

Pat's success is a result of his long-term  commitment to excellence.  He demands excellence from himself, his staff, and his players. And he has a right to expect a certain level of professionalism and excellence from the officials calling the games.  After so many years of witnessing blatantly poor performances by the officials, I can understand  Pat's attempts to work the officials. In no way am I suggesting that the poor officiating is one way.  There have been plenty of bad calls made against all the conference teams. That being said, I do feel that, in part, due to the success at Whitewater, that the 'Hawks have a "target" on their backs, not only by other teams but also some of the officials. I believe that some of the exchanges Pat has had with officials is due to their own  insecurities with their ability to properly call a game.  And I have watched other coaches work the officials as intently as Pat, sometimes even more intently, without being assessed technicals. 

I doubt that the officiating is going to improve anytime soon in the WIAC, but I would hope before you publically label a coach's sideline "antics" as "over the top," you would take a step back and look at the bigger picture.  By your own admission you have stated that, in your personal experience with Pat, he has always been professional and classy. If that is your experience, why wouldn't you consider the possibility that Pat's sideline responses are appropriate and merited?

[GBMAN]

At Whitewwater 03/06

Saint Olaf v Ohio Wesleylan at 5:30 pm

Wisconsin Whitewater v Defiance at 7:30 pm

03/07

Winners play at 7:00 pm

[John Gleich]

At UWSP 03/06 

Illinois Wesleyan v Dubuque at 5:00 PM All seats GA

UWSP v Concordia (WI) at 8:00 PM All seats reserved

Both games have separate tickets ($8 apiece for adults, $4 for college students and younger), but tickets to both games can be purchased for $12.


http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2015/3/2/MBB_0302153351.aspx

[AppletonRocks]

Whitewater handled the Titans today.  Glad to see the Phi Betta Kappa guys from Whitewater could get out of the library to shout rude things at the Oshkosh fans.  Interesting that with a 17 point lead Pat Miller works the refs to get a Technical foul, one of three the Warhawks had today.  Might want to have a sportsmanship refresher if they host in NCAA tournament there. 

Congrates to WW.  Your program just continues to amaze me.  I will be hoping for another national championship.   But I have to wonder after watching Pat from close range for all these years, why people are so afraid to call it like it is and say that his behavior on the sidelines is way over the top.  After the game, during interviews, during the week, and in any situation that I have spoken with him he has been professional, friendly, and classy.  On the sideline during the game is a whole different story.  The number of stories are endless.  Now I expect to be ripped for suggesting anything remotely negative about WW, but go for it.  I am old and have thick skin.  Besides, I don't live for karma points.

HOW DARE YOU!!!! You're a former coach by your own admission. THere are plenty of detractors. How dare you criticize a coach. Un-believable!

Touche'. Big time touche'.  Although I don't know the facts at all regarding the Stout coach and your earlier comments, your strong comments about Stout's coach were far more harsh than we are used to on this board. As such, I didn't really like those comments. But this is one of those message board moments that I like to acknowledge. Your eyes must have gotten pretty big when you saw this post of Stoutguy. Well done.

"Touche'.  Big time touche".  Really, BleedPurple?  I wasn't going to respond and I promise to let this thing go right now, but I need to point out that I am offended that you are putting my reaction to Pat's sideline antics on the same level with Hoops and Golf's attack of Ed Andrist.  When I reacted to Pat's sideline behavior I also used the words, "classy, friendly, and professional" when discussing my opinion of Pat Miller.  As a matter of fact, if you ever talk to Pat why don't you bring this topic up and feel free to mention me in your discussion.  I have the utmost resect for Pat Miller and I think he knows that.  I just don't like his sideline antics and I stand by that.  End of discussion.  Good luck to both SP and WW in the tournament.  Both first class programs that the entire WIAC can be proud of.

I'm not real sure what you are referring to when mentioning coach Miller's sideline antics.  Can you be more specific?  Were you referring to the passion with which he coaches? Or, the fact that he correctly points out the blatant missed calls or incorrect calls?  Or, the fact that he has an obligation to protect his players (not to mention the other team's players) from injury when the officials get too lazy at the end of lopsided games to make a call?  If you are going to label Coach Miller's behavior as "over the top," how would you describe the behavior of the officials?   IMO, the officiating in this conference is poor at best, and, sadly, is not on a par with the quality of basketball played in this conference.

Pat's success is a result of his long-term  commitment to excellence.  He demands excellence from himself, his staff, and his players. And he has a right to expect a certain level of professionalism and excellence from the officials calling the games.  After so many years of witnessing blatantly poor performances by the officials, I can understand  Pat's attempts to work the officials. In no way am I suggesting that the poor officiating is one way.  There have been plenty of bad calls made against all the conference teams. That being said, I do feel that, in part, due to the success at Whitewater, that the 'Hawks have a "target" on their backs, not only by other teams but also some of the officials. I believe that some of the exchanges Pat has had with officials is due to their own  insecurities with their ability to properly call a game.  And I have watched other coaches work the officials as intently as Pat, sometimes even more intently, without being assessed technicals. 

I doubt that the officiating is going to improve anytime soon in the WIAC, but I would hope before you publically label a coach's sideline "antics" as "over the top," you would take a step back and look at the bigger picture.  By your own admission you have stated that, in your personal experience with Pat, he has always been professional and classy. If that is your experience, why wouldn't you consider the possibility that Pat's sideline responses are appropriate and merited?

Then so are the reactions of the fans justified.  I didn't see Oshkosh get any technical fouls on Saturday; Whitewater got 3.  Pat Miller got one of them.  The officials were horrible as earlier reviewed, and Pat Juckem got no technicals.  I need to contemplate the meaning of all this. 

[Just Bill]

I'm not real sure what you are referring to when mentioning coach Miller's sideline antics.  Can you be more specific?  Were you referring to the passion with which he coaches? Or, the fact that he correctly points out the blatant missed calls or incorrect calls?  Or, the fact that he has an obligation to protect his players (not to mention the other team's players) from injury when the officials get too lazy at the end of lopsided games to make a call?  If you are going to label Coach Miller's behavior as "over the top," how would you describe the behavior of the officials?   IMO, the officiating in this conference is poor at best, and, sadly, is not on a par with the quality of basketball played in this conference.

Pat's success is a result of his long-term  commitment to excellence.  He demands excellence from himself, his staff, and his players. And he has a right to expect a certain level of professionalism and excellence from the officials calling the games.  After so many years of witnessing blatantly poor performances by the officials, I can understand  Pat's attempts to work the officials. In no way am I suggesting that the poor officiating is one way.  There have been plenty of bad calls made against all the conference teams. That being said, I do feel that, in part, due to the success at Whitewater, that the 'Hawks have a "target" on their backs, not only by other teams but also some of the officials. I believe that some of the exchanges Pat has had with officials is due to their own  insecurities with their ability to properly call a game.  And I have watched other coaches work the officials as intently as Pat, sometimes even more intently, without being assessed technicals. 

I doubt that the officiating is going to improve anytime soon in the WIAC, but I would hope before you publically label a coach's sideline "antics" as "over the top," you would take a step back and look at the bigger picture.  By your own admission you have stated that, in your personal experience with Pat, he has always been professional and classy. If that is your experience, why wouldn't you consider the possibility that Pat's sideline responses are appropriate and merited?

You gotta love first posts like that one...

[voice]

Whitewater handled the Titans today.  Glad to see the Phi Betta Kappa guys from Whitewater could get out of the library to shout rude things at the Oshkosh fans.  Interesting that with a 17 point lead Pat Miller works the refs to get a Technical foul, one of three the Warhawks had today.  Might want to have a sportsmanship refresher if they host in NCAA tournament there. 

Congrates to WW.  Your program just continues to amaze me.  I will be hoping for another national championship.   But I have to wonder after watching Pat from close range for all these years, why people are so afraid to call it like it is and say that his behavior on the sidelines is way over the top.  After the game, during interviews, during the week, and in any situation that I have spoken with him he has been professional, friendly, and classy.  On the sideline during the game is a whole different story.  The number of stories are endless.  Now I expect to be ripped for suggesting anything remotely negative about WW, but go for it.  I am old and have thick skin.  Besides, I don't live for karma points.

HOW DARE YOU!!!! You're a former coach by your own admission. THere are plenty of detractors. How dare you criticize a coach. Un-believable!

Touche'. Big time touche'.  Although I don't know the facts at all regarding the Stout coach and your earlier comments, your strong comments about Stout's coach were far more harsh than we are used to on this board. As such, I didn't really like those comments. But this is one of those message board moments that I like to acknowledge. Your eyes must have gotten pretty big when you saw this post of Stoutguy. Well done.

"Touche'.  Big time touche".  Really, BleedPurple?  I wasn't going to respond and I promise to let this thing go right now, but I need to point out that I am offended that you are putting my reaction to Pat's sideline antics on the same level with Hoops and Golf's attack of Ed Andrist.  When I reacted to Pat's sideline behavior I also used the words, "classy, friendly, and professional" when discussing my opinion of Pat Miller.  As a matter of fact, if you ever talk to Pat why don't you bring this topic up and feel free to mention me in your discussion.  I have the utmost resect for Pat Miller and I think he knows that.  I just don't like his sideline antics and I stand by that.  End of discussion.  Good luck to both SP and WW in the tournament.  Both first class programs that the entire WIAC can be proud of.

I'm not real sure what you are referring to when mentioning coach Miller's sideline antics.  Can you be more specific?  Were you referring to the passion with which he coaches? Or, the fact that he correctly points out the blatant missed calls or incorrect calls?  Or, the fact that he has an obligation to protect his players (not to mention the other team's players) from injury when the officials get too lazy at the end of lopsided games to make a call?  If you are going to label Coach Miller's behavior as "over the top," how would you describe the behavior of the officials?   IMO, the officiating in this conference is poor at best, and, sadly, is not on a par with the quality of basketball played in this conference.

Pat's success is a result of his long-term  commitment to excellence.  He demands excellence from himself, his staff, and his players. And he has a right to expect a certain level of professionalism and excellence from the officials calling the games.  After so many years of witnessing blatantly poor performances by the officials, I can understand  Pat's attempts to work the officials. In no way am I suggesting that the poor officiating is one way.  There have been plenty of bad calls made against all the conference teams. That being said, I do feel that, in part, due to the success at Whitewater, that the 'Hawks have a "target" on their backs, not only by other teams but also some of the officials. I believe that some of the exchanges Pat has had with officials is due to their own  insecurities with their ability to properly call a game.  And I have watched other coaches work the officials as intently as Pat, sometimes even more intently, without being assessed technicals. 

I doubt that the officiating is going to improve anytime soon in the WIAC, but I would hope before you publically label a coach's sideline "antics" as "over the top," you would take a step back and look at the bigger picture.  By your own admission you have stated that, in your personal experience with Pat, he has always been professional and classy. If that is your experience, why wouldn't you consider the possibility that Pat's sideline responses are appropriate and merited?

Then so are the reactions of the fans justified.  I didn't see Oshkosh get any technical fouls on Saturday; Whitewater got 3.  Pat Miller got one of them.  The officials were horrible as earlier reviewed, and Pat Juckem got no technicals.  I need to contemplate the meaning of all this.

Go  back 20 years or so when iconic WIAC coaches Ken Anderson, Dave Vander Meulen, Ted Van Dellen, Jack Bennett and Bo Ryan roamed the sideline.  I broadcast many of those coaches games and will tell you they were all extremely vociferous working the refs. What I saw back in the 1970's, 80's and 90's was no different than Coach Miller's current sideline decorum.   That's some pretty good company!!   

[BanditUWSP]

Regarding the UWSP tickets....I stopped in at about 8:15 AM today to get my balcony tickets for the Pointer-Concordia game.  BALCONY SEATS for either game are NOT reserved seats.  Unlike past years, there was no one in front of me in line.  Also, tickets for Saturdays game will go on sale immediately after the completion of the Pointers game on Friday, the same as in past years.   

[WUPHF]

Do tournament games at Stevens Point and Whitewater usually sell out?

We are headed up nort to Vislas County next weekend and may go to a game at one or the other.

[basketballman14]

Well, it's that time of year again: All-WIAC selections. I have always felt that All-WIAC selections should be made based on stats and how a player performed. I don't a team's record should factor into it. You can't have role players being selected as All-WIAC selections. Now, I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the WIAC this season, but by looking at the numbers that players put up, the league really struggled. Can someone explain to me how Joe Ritchay was a first-teamer? He shot 40.5 percent, horrendous three-point and free throw shooting numbers and below-average rebounding numbers. Do people just love players from Point? I see the Pointers had five players selected on 1st and HM teams. Jordan Lutz was nothing more than a three-point shooter. Of his 200 shots, 120 were threes. Grant it, he shot 47.5 percent, but didn't do anything else. Evans and Young were the two players who were no-brainers. Egan is another one that shocks me. He is a beneficiary of Young and Evans. While Olson helped Oshkosh to the WIAC championship game, his shooting numbers across the board were less than average and he really struggled at times. I'm OK with Manning I suppose. Stocki, meh 50-50. Seems like he really under-performed. Grant Erickson is alright, but didn't do anything special. I'll give him credit, his numbers improved and he only played half a minute more per game this season. But that was also because River Falls was better. Christenson, I'm fine with. He had some nice games. Tyson Kailen was a volume three-point shooter who did nothing else. Don't agree with that selection. And as for Alex Richard and Austin Ryf, I suppose they deserve it. I don't mean to be the Grinch, but I feel like the WIAC just sucked all around this season. Superior, Stout and La Crosse were dreadful. EC, Oshkosh and Platteville were ho-hum. RF was most improved. Point wasn't even that good. They really struggled at times. They could have easily lost four or five conference games. And everyone knew WW would be great. I just feel every team in the league lacked one really good player. WW was the only team with two "stars". I don't know, just my opinion. Any thoughts?