MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Gregory Sager]

Do tournament games at Stevens Point and Whitewater usually sell out?

We are headed up nort to Vislas County next weekend and may go to a game at one or the other.

Whitewater shouldn't be any problem. I'm surprised there was no line when BanditUWSP showed up, though he does smell, so I guess that's understandable.    Usual Point games draw pretty well, so maybe there will be a lot of walkup sales after work on Friday. Concordia could bring a few since thats only 2 hours away from Mequon. If Point and IWU advance, I think that game on Saturday would be a sellout. IWU travels well.

Here are the attendance figures for Point when hosting in the NCAA's:

3/7/14 vs. Marian - Rd 1 - 2280
3/8/14 vs. Central - Rd 2 - 2038
3/14/14 vs. Emory - Sweet 16 - 2512

3/2/13 vs. Northwestern - Rd 1 - 2102
3/3/13 vs. Calvin - Rd 2 - 2270

3/5/10 vs. Carleton - Rd 1 - 2052
3/6/10 vs. St. Norbert - Rd 2 - 2101
3/12/10 vs. UT Dallas - Sweet 16 - 2375
3/13/10 vs. IWU - Elite 8 - 2276

3/3/07 vs. St. John's - Rd 2 - 2504
3/9/07 vs. Wash U - Sweet 16 - 2527

3/5/05 vs. Lawrence - Rd 2 - 2815
3/11/05 vs. Puget Sound - Sweet 16 - 2746
3/12/05 vs. Trinity (Tx) - Elite 8 - 2720

3/4/04 vs. Benedictine - Rd 1 - 1750

3/8/03 vs. Gustavus Adolphus - Rd 2 - 2052


The only game that Quandt was really at capacity was the Lawrence game in 2005.  Others that year may have had unused tickets that weren't turned back in, so they were likely unavailable.

Ever since then, though, they've reserved seating and though there were always tickets available at game time, I think that the reserved seating kept people away.



Also, if you decide to go to either Whitewater or Stevens Point, wear purple! You'll get along with the hometown crowds just fine! 

Alas, I can't make it to Point this weekend.  But if I did, I would wear GREEN, thank you very much!

In 2012, I made it to Holland.  I was treated very well despite wearing green, and despite the fact we broke their hearts with a double-OT win over #1 ranked Hope.  One of their posters even bought me a beer at the Holland Brewing Company after the game - under the circumstances, that was VERY classy of him!   (I bought him the next round - I figured he needed it more than I did!)

Chuck, are you sure that he didn't buy you a round because he was impressed that you actually saw a game in person?

[John Gleich]

It's just opinion. But I think the WIAC needs to re-configure the All-WIAC selections and break it into teams, and trim down the number.

You're certainly entitled to it, and thanks for sharing it!

I'm not sure when the WIAC switched their all-conference team... it used to be two teams...

[stag44]

Just finished up putting together PER metrics and published the top 100 players in the nation this year. I'll narrow this to include just the NCAA eligible players later this week.

It does seem that the figures skew slightly higher than I would have expected but that could be attributed to the larger variance between players in D3 vs the NBA.

http://stag44.blogspot.com/2015/03/ncaa-division-3-per-rankings-march-2.html

Q Young at 42?

Yea his pure stats aren't the best for the PER rankings, low rebounds and points per 40 min and relatively lower fg and 3pt%

[John Gleich]

Alas, I can't make it to Point this weekend.  But if I did, I would wear GREEN, thank you very much!

In 2012, I made it to Holland.  I was treated very well despite wearing green, and despite the fact we broke their hearts with a double-OT win over #1 ranked Hope.  One of their posters even bought me a beer at the Holland Brewing Company after the game - under the circumstances, that was VERY classy of him!   (I bought him the next round - I figured he needed it more than I did!)

Though a select few Lawrence fans may feel differently, I think that fans could wear whatever color they wanted to and be treated well in Stevens Point. IWU fans said as much five years ago and they'll be welcome to wear green, as will the Dubuque and Concordia fans be welcome to wear their respective shades of blue.

But they're also more than welcome to wear purple!!

[bleedpurple]

Alas, I can't make it to Point this weekend.  But if I did, I would wear GREEN, thank you very much!

In 2012, I made it to Holland.  I was treated very well despite wearing green, and despite the fact we broke their hearts with a double-OT win over #1 ranked Hope.  One of their posters even bought me a beer at the Holland Brewing Company after the game - under the circumstances, that was VERY classy of him!   (I bought him the next round - I figured he needed it more than I did!)

Though a select few Lawrence fans may feel differently, I think that fans could wear whatever color they wanted to and be treated well in Stevens Point. IWU fans said as much five years ago and they'll be welcome to wear green, as will the Dubuque and Concordia fans be welcome to wear their respective shades of blue.

But they're also more than welcome to wear purple!!

We just finished up our sportsmanship classes here at Whitewater. Here's what you can expect from our student section:

1. All will be dressed in business casual.
2. We will hold the door open for all opposing fans and greet them with,"Welcome to Whitewater. Thank you very much for joining us this evening. May the best team win."
3. We will run out to concessions and get all visiting fans a free water at halftime.
4. If snow should fall, we will clean off the windows of all visiting fans' cars and trucks.
5. We will hold the door open for the visiting fans on the way out and remind them to drive safely. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Alas, I can't make it to Point this weekend.  But if I did, I would wear GREEN, thank you very much!

In 2012, I made it to Holland.  I was treated very well despite wearing green, and despite the fact we broke their hearts with a double-OT win over #1 ranked Hope.  One of their posters even bought me a beer at the Holland Brewing Company after the game - under the circumstances, that was VERY classy of him!   (I bought him the next round - I figured he needed it more than I did!)

Though a select few Lawrence fans may feel differently, I think that fans could wear whatever color they wanted to and be treated well in Stevens Point. IWU fans said as much five years ago and they'll be welcome to wear green, as will the Dubuque and Concordia fans be welcome to wear their respective shades of blue.

But they're also more than welcome to wear purple!!

We just finished up our sportsmanship classes here at Whitewater. Here's what you can expect from our student section:

1. All will be dressed in business casual.
2. We will hold the door open for all opposing fans and greet them with,"Welcome to Whitewater. Thank you very much for joining us this evening. May the best team win."
3. We will run out to concessions and get all visiting fans a free water at halftime.
4. If snow should fall, we will clean off the windows of all visiting fans' cars and trucks.
5. We will hold the door open for the visiting fans on the way out and remind them to drive safely.

And then 6.  Our guys will kick the butts of your guys.

[Greek Tragedy]

http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2015/3/3/MBB_0303150605.aspx?path=mbball

All WIAC

[Mr. Ypsi]

Greg, I had never met that poster before that weekend, but have actually shared games in Holland, Adrian, and Alma with several Hope posters.  I'd like to branch out with some of the other MIAA regulars, but just haven't crossed paths.

I'll probably never attend anywhere near as many games in person as many on here, but my 38-year gap in d3 attendance is ancient history!

[Greek Tragedy]

Since when did the AC get so big? Were there that many ties? 12 and 9 seems a bit much.

[stoutguy]

Well, I said my last text was going to be my last on the "Pat Miller" sideline stuff and it was, but boy, I was really taken to task by very some very passionate WW people.  I think when I hear "Voice" getting on me I must have stepped over my boundary line.  No more for me.  Good luck to you guys but I don't think luck has much to do with it.  You are good enough to win it all.  My apologies if I stepped over the line.  BW knows, as we have talked about it in the past, that I sometimes like to stir the pot.  I think the pot boiled over!

[Gregory Sager]

Greg, I had never met that poster before that weekend, but have actually shared games in Holland, Adrian, and Alma with several Hope posters.  I'd like to branch out with some of the other MIAA regulars, but just haven't crossed paths.

I'll probably never attend anywhere near as many games in person as many on here, but my 38-year gap in d3 attendance is ancient history!

You went to a game in Alma? If so, then props to you. I went to Alma for a football game this past fall, and I'm pretty sure that that place is the very definition of the old expression, "It's not the edge of the world, but you can see it from here."

[Mr. Ypsi]

Greg, I had never met that poster before that weekend, but have actually shared games in Holland, Adrian, and Alma with several Hope posters.  I'd like to branch out with some of the other MIAA regulars, but just haven't crossed paths.

I'll probably never attend anywhere near as many games in person as many on here, but my 38-year gap in d3 attendance is ancient history!

You went to a game in Alma? If so, then props to you. I went to Alma for a football game this past fall, and I'm pretty sure that that place is the very definition of the old expression, "It's not the edge of the world, but you can see it from here."

Alma was an early season football game; found a nice campground near the next town south and brought my RV for the weekend.  I kinda liked Alma, but I'm not the urban guy that you are (I like visiting Chicago, New York, etc. but could never live there - maybe Toronto.  Alma was their usual very bad team, but put a major scare into us that day (and, IIRC, that was the year IWU beat both NCC and Wheaton!)

[Gregory Sager]

I don't think that there's anything wrong with Alma, per se. I just think that it's about a zillion miles from nowhere.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I don't think that there's anything wrong with Alma, per se. I just think that it's about a zillion miles from nowhere.

Actually it is only 18 miles from nowhere.  Mt. Pleasant (the town that mis-named itself twice) is just that distance north up the Interstate.  Though, since Central Michigan is regarded as a party school, my guess would be that many Alma students head that direction every weekend!

[John Gleich]

Since when did the AC get so big? Were there that many ties? 12 and 9 seems a bit much.

Welcome to the discussion...

Well, it's that time of year again: All-WIAC selections. I have always felt that All-WIAC selections should be made based on stats and how a player performed. I don't a team's record should factor into it. You can't have role players being selected as All-WIAC selections. Now, I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the WIAC this season, but by looking at the numbers that players put up, the league really struggled. Can someone explain to me how Joe Ritchay was a first-teamer? He shot 40.5 percent, horrendous three-point and free throw shooting numbers and below-average rebounding numbers. Do people just love players from Point? I see the Pointers had five players selected on 1st and HM teams. Jordan Lutz was nothing more than a three-point shooter. Of his 200 shots, 120 were threes. Grant it, he shot 47.5 percent, but didn't do anything else. Evans and Young were the two players who were no-brainers. Egan is another one that shocks me. He is a beneficiary of Young and Evans. While Olson helped Oshkosh to the WIAC championship game, his shooting numbers across the board were less than average and he really struggled at times. I'm OK with Manning I suppose. Stocki, meh 50-50. Seems like he really under-performed. Grant Erickson is alright, but didn't do anything special. I'll give him credit, his numbers improved and he only played half a minute more per game this season. But that was also because River Falls was better. Christenson, I'm fine with. He had some nice games. Tyson Kailen was a volume three-point shooter who did nothing else. Don't agree with that selection. And as for Alex Richard and Austin Ryf, I suppose they deserve it. I don't mean to be the Grinch, but I feel like the WIAC just sucked all around this season. Superior, Stout and La Crosse were dreadful. EC, Oshkosh and Platteville were ho-hum. RF was most improved. Point wasn't even that good. They really struggled at times. They could have easily lost four or five conference games. And everyone knew WW would be great. I just feel every team in the league lacked one really good player. WW was the only team with two "stars". I don't know, just my opinion. Any thoughts?

Hmm... By your logic... the all-conference team should have been:

Evans
Young
Ryf
Richard
Manning
Christenson

Well, the WIAC first team has 12 guys, with 9 honorable mention. You've given us 6. Where are your other 15?

It appears that you aren't willing to give the players their due... this is for the 12 top players, and then the 9 next-highest.


To answer some of your questions... there are things in the game of basketball that matter in addition to simply the points that are scored.

For example:

All-Defensive Team
Steve Egan, Whitewater, Senior, Forward, Omro, Wis.
Jordan Lutz, Stevens Point, Senior, Forward, Amherst, Wis.
Lewis Mau, Eau Claire, Senior, Guard, Colfax, Wis.
Austin Ryf, Stevens Point, Senior, Guard, Winneconne, Wis.
Quardell Young, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, Kenosha, Wis. (Bradford)

Steve Egan, and Jordan Lutz, who you didn't deem worthy of all-conference accolades, were selected on the All-Defensive team.

Speaking of defense... UWSP led the nation in scoring defense at 55.6 PPG. Further, they were second at just 8.2 turnovers per game. These statistics aren't just happenstance... they require skill.


It's easy to poke holes... but there's more to it than that. There are (likely) two All-Americans in the WIAC this year - Young and Evans.  The league was down this year, at least in terms of non-conference record that the conference was able to achieve, compared to years in the past. But even so, these are annual awards. It goes to the best players in the conference, as voted on by the coaches and SID's.

First off, I should have said that I believe there should be two teams: first and second, comprising of five players each. Then, for HM, it should be five guys. It takes at least five guys to win a basketball game. Most teams play eight-10 players. I don't agree with the better teams having three players each because, normally, the third player is a wild-card, meaning you never know what you're going to get from that guy every game. Consistency needs to be looked at in these instances. If a team has one very good player but his team wins four conference games compared to a role player on a team that wins 10 conference games, does that role player deserve it over that very good player? In my opinion, the answer is "no" 100 out of 100 times. Ritchay is a role player. Lutz is a role player. Could those two players be the best player on Superior or La Crosse, or even EC? I highly doubt it. Point's system is the San Antonio Spurs system. Players' weaknesses are hardly exposed because the coaches know how to use them. It's just opinion. But I think the WIAC needs to re-configure the All-WIAC selections and break it into teams, and trim down the number.

You're certainly entitled to it, and thanks for sharing it!

I'm not sure when the WIAC switched their all-conference team... it used to be two teams...