MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[wcbsas]

UW-M's prior experience hiring a coach out of the WIAC ranks went pretty well for them.  Though I'm not sure if this AD has the same frame of mind.

Not sure I agree ... he was at UWM two years before leaving to go to UW.

He didn't accomplish much at UWM.

If you look at it completely from a W/L position I would tend to agree with you.  30-27 isn't exactly the kind of record that gets a coach into the hall of fame.  But looking at it from a broader perspective I'd have to disagree.  Ryan basically resurrected the UW-M program which had been a dog.  He finished with winning records both seasons something that hadn't been accomplished in over a decade.  Attendance increased significantly and the program became relevant again.  Maybe it didn't show up in wins but hiring Bo Ryan was one of the best things UW-M has done IMO.

Sure don't disagree but you could argue taking a chance on a D2 coach produce significantly better results as well.

[badgerwarhawk]

You could argue that it would produce significantly worse results as well.    

[palum]

A few years ago Pat Miller was mentioned in an article as a long shot to be on Barry Alvarez's short list to replace Bo at Wisconsin.   Any speculation from the WW posters is Pat Miller on UWM's short list.  Given the way Jeter was let go I would not want to work for an AD like Braun.

My understanding is D-I experience is high on Milwaukee's criteria list. However, if they choose to shift gears on that, Pat certainly would be a great choice for them. Hope he's not interested, but if he is, obviously I wish him all the best. 

TJ Otzelberger - former UWW player - current Iowa State assistant is extremely high on the list of potential candidates to replace Jeter at UWM.

A bigger question for UWM might be would a up and coming D-1 assistant want to take a chance on UWM.  Jeter left Wisconsin on a high note and his stay at UWM did not bolster his resume (granted some of that was out of his control).  The pay $400-500,000 is probably in the neighborhood of an assistant at a Power 5 conference school.  You are playing second fiddle to Marquette and to some extent Wisconsin in Milwaukee. 

It wouldn't surprise me that UWM will hire a D-2 or D-3 coach maybe not by choice.  If they do Miller has a lot of positives, he knows how to win, he knows the high school coaches in Wisconsin,  he has recruited Milwaukee SE Wisconsin and to some extent the Chicago area, he has experience in bringing transfers into his program (UWM gets a lot of Milwaukee kids as transfers).  The way I look at it his only negative is lack of D-1 experience.   

[tomt4525]

Austin Arians transferring from Milwaukee, probably just the beginning.

[cubs]

Austin Arians transferring from Milwaukee, probably just the beginning.

If you take a look at Akeem Springs' Twitter account, it's pretty interesting to hear what is going on behind the scenes from a player's perspective...

[wcbsas]

A few years ago Pat Miller was mentioned in an article as a long shot to be on Barry Alvarez's short list to replace Bo at Wisconsin.   Any speculation from the WW posters is Pat Miller on UWM's short list.  Given the way Jeter was let go I would not want to work for an AD like Braun.

My understanding is D-I experience is high on Milwaukee's criteria list. However, if they choose to shift gears on that, Pat certainly would be a great choice for them. Hope he's not interested, but if he is, obviously I wish him all the best. 

TJ Otzelberger - former UWW player - current Iowa State assistant is extremely high on the list of potential candidates to replace Jeter at UWM.

A bigger question for UWM might be would a up and coming D-1 assistant want to take a chance on UWM.  Jeter left Wisconsin on a high note and his stay at UWM did not bolster his resume (granted some of that was out of his control).  The pay $400-500,000 is probably in the neighborhood of an assistant at a Power 5 conference school.  You are playing second fiddle to Marquette and to some extent Wisconsin in Milwaukee. 

It wouldn't surprise me that UWM will hire a D-2 or D-3 coach maybe not by choice.  If they do Miller has a lot of positives, he knows how to win, he knows the high school coaches in Wisconsin,  he has recruited Milwaukee SE Wisconsin and to some extent the Chicago area, he has experience in bringing transfers into his program (UWM gets a lot of Milwaukee kids as transfers).  The way I look at it his only negative is lack of D-1 experience.   

Collegiate head coaching jobs are few and far between especially if you do not have head coaching experience.  Greg Gard staying at UW is a rarity.  And he stayed only because Bo promised he would do everything he could to elevate GG to the head coaching job.

A guy like TJ Otzelberger will take this job rather quickly because his opportunity to get a job elsewhere is never assured.

Are things ideal at UWM?  Certainly not nor are they ideal at UWGB or Valpo or Western Ill or NDSU ...

I don't think mid-majors can nor should they intend to retain coaches long term - if they are successful (and the administration wants them to be) what you want to do is have a consistent succession plan in place ... much like North Dakota State which has four former coaches coaching elsewhere with each and every successive coach having been a former lead assistant at NDSU.

[tomt4525]

Marshfield 6'7" senior Adam Fravert has committed to Oshkosh...him and Wilman are going to be a very good tandem for Coach Juckem.

[Greek Tragedy]

I don't like all these recruiting updates that don't include, "committed to Point..."     

[tomt4525]

I don't like all these recruiting updates that don't include, "committed to Point..."     

Haha, I'm with you....but they did have a big recruiting class last season, lose 3 guys this year, and from past years....have kept the roster around 15 guys.  They have Koerner and Knez coming in, you would think that leaves only a couple spots tops. 

With that said, if you listened to the last Pointer Hoops Radio Show...Semling was asked what they need for next season....and his list of things he needed from incoming and existing players seemed to add up to about 6-7 new players.  At the top of that list, Semling said he needs a transfer who can come in and be their leading scorer...a guy who has proved his worth somewhere else.

I do know Point is still actively recruiting Caleb Wagner, PG out of Muskego...which would be a fantastic get for Point.  I'd love to get a PG with his caliber so that you could move Bublitz to SG where I think he could use his slashing ability better, maybe you couldn't make that switch right away...but down the road you could.  Just based off Geography, you would think that Point is recruiting WF JP Lacy out of Wausau East as well.  That, I couldn't tell you for sure though.

[wcbsas]

At the top of that list, Semling said he needs a transfer who can come in and be their leading scorer...a guy who has proved his worth somewhere else.

That seems like a very un-UWSP-like ... typically they are more of a home-grown program.

I wonder if the WIAC as a whole is undergoing a shift away from their traditional roster building scenario's and are starting to follow a more UWW philosophy? 

The top 20 of Mark Miller's 50 senior's list ... shows 6 D1 players, 10 D2 players and 4 uncommitted (#6 Antetokounmpo - Dominican and #8 Adams - Brown Deer) both likely prep school and/or JUCO as well as #19 Ben Rounds and #20 Caleb Wagner.

10 years ago the list of scholarship players was much smaller.

[Greek Tragedy]

New thread opened up in the multi-regional board on gyms in respective conferences. Anyone think their gym is the best or what stands out about their gym?

I've been to every gym (though it's been awhile)...does River Falls play in their new one yet?

I think Stout's gym is unique because it has an actual press box at the top of their stands. I always liked that. Other than that, I'm not real sure any one gym stands out. Thoughts?

[AppletonRocks]

New thread opened up in the multi-regional board on gyms in respective conferences. Anyone think their gym is the best or what stands out about their gym?

I've been to every gym (though it's been awhile)...does River Falls play in their new one yet?

I think Stout's gym is unique because it has an actual press box at the top of their stands. I always liked that. Other than that, I'm not real sure any one gym stands out. Thoughts?

I know if you go to Quandt and you don't wear a purple or gold cardigan and don't collect social security, then there are seats for you in the end zone.  But the people there are nice about it. 

[ShineTime]

Jamison Kryshak from spash will be playing for pointers next year I bet could turn out to be solid player I heard Ted kearney is going to lacrosse he's perhaps one of best defenders in state.

[badgerwarhawk]

New thread opened up in the multi-regional board on gyms in respective conferences. Anyone think their gym is the best or what stands out about their gym?

I've been to every gym (though it's been awhile)...does River Falls play in their new one yet?

I think Stout's gym is unique because it has an actual press box at the top of their stands. I always liked that. Other than that, I'm not real sure any one gym stands out. Thoughts?

Aside from the tradition there's nothing very special about our gym. I think it's nicer since the remodeling but it's just a gym built in the 60's.  Overall we have a really nice facility in Williams Center particularly since the field house was added but I don't know that the gym itself "stands out" compared to any other in the conference let alone someplace like Hope.   

While this year was clearly a matter of necessity and I suspect next year will probably have to be as well I don't know that historically we have utilized transfers to any greater extend than other programs.  Maybe I'm missing something but I was a little surprised to see it referred to as the "UW-W philosophy." 

[tomt4525]

New thread opened up in the multi-regional board on gyms in respective conferences. Anyone think their gym is the best or what stands out about their gym?

I've been to every gym (though it's been awhile)...does River Falls play in their new one yet?

I think Stout's gym is unique because it has an actual press box at the top of their stands. I always liked that. Other than that, I'm not real sure any one gym stands out. Thoughts?

Aside from the tradition there's nothing very special about our gym. I think it's nicer since the remodeling but it's just a gym built in the 60's.  Overall we have a really nice facility in Williams Center particularly since the field house was added but I don't know that the gym itself "stands out" compared to any other in the conference let alone someplace like Hope.   

While this year was clearly a matter of necessity and I suspect next year will probably have to be as well I don't know that historically we have utilized transfers to any greater extend than other programs.  Maybe I'm missing something but I was a little surprised to see it referred to as the "UW-W philosophy."

I certainly don't want to start a pissing match by any means...but it seems to me that Whitewater uses transfers much more often than other programs, maybe it seems that way to me because Whitewater has gotten quite a few high profile transfers recently.  I know UWSP has gone the transfer route a few times but most of their transfers have been underclassmen when they transferred.  Guys like Mark Nelson who came in after a redshirt year at Lindenwood, and Stephen Pelkofer who came in as a sophomore after being a starter as a freshman at Northern Michigan.  Trevor Hass who also came in as a sophomore after starting his career at D2 Augustana and not playing a ton.  These guys still kind of fit Point's philosophy of spending time in their program learning all the nuances.  The only guy that comes to mind, atleast lately, that came in as an upperclassmen was Ross Forman.  He was a D1 transfer from Loyola, if I remember correctly, who helped Point win a title as a senior.   EDIT*****  I completely forgot about Clayton Heuer transferring as an upperclassmen to Point.  He did spend more than 1 year at Point though and certainly was a big part of an extremely successful 2 year run.

Whitewater, especially last year, gets quite a few upperclassmen transfers that are in and out of the program.  I'm not arguing against it, it's worked for them obviously.  This is just my thought process of why Whitewater is thought of as Transfer U in the WIAC in my mind anyways.