MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

For better or worse it seems to me that nearly every one announces the finalists.  I couldn't even begin to count the number of announcements I've seen over the past several years. 

[gordonmann]

Maybe it's a regional thing.  I can't recall ever seeing a Division III school announce its finalists for jobs in the northeast region of the country.  Not in a school authored post like this.

Maybe that's the answer for why Loras does it too -- because it's pretty common in that part of the country.

[Mr. Ypsi]

For better or worse it seems to me that nearly every one announces the finalists.  I couldn't even begin to count the number of announcements I've seen over the past several years.

Maybe it's a regional thing.  I can't recall ever seeing a Division III school announce its finalists for jobs in the northeast region of the country.  Not in a school authored post like this.

Maybe that's the answer for why Loras does it too -- because it's pretty common in that part of the country.

I suspect it is more a public/private thing.  Public schools are often required by law to be quite open - which may include publishing finalists.  (Since BW supports a public school, as are all the WIAC schools, he may have a biased perspective.)  I don't think it is common for privates, at least not until the final 2 or 3.  (I don't recall hearing any announcements from CCIW schools.  Lot's a speculating, but no announcements.)

[Gregory Sager]

For better or worse it seems to me that nearly every one announces the finalists.  I couldn't even begin to count the number of announcements I've seen over the past several years.

Maybe it's a regional thing.  I can't recall ever seeing a Division III school announce its finalists for jobs in the northeast region of the country.  Not in a school authored post like this.

Maybe that's the answer for why Loras does it too -- because it's pretty common in that part of the country.

I suspect it is more a public/private thing.  Public schools are often required by law to be quite open - which may include publishing finalists.  (Since BW supports a public school, as are all the WIAC schools, he may have a biased perspective.)  I don't think it is common for privates, at least not until the final 2 or 3.  (I don't recall hearing any announcements from CCIW schools.  Lot's a speculating, but no announcements.)

I think Chuck's right about this. It's more of a legally-mandated public school thing. I don't think that Loras is the norm among private schools for posting the finalists online.

[gordonmann]

That makes sense. Central Connecticut also published the finalists for its men's basketball coaching vacancy and it's also a public school.

[wcbsas]

I saw the same thing and my response was, "Why would you announce the five finalists?"

How does it serve any of the parties involved to do that publicly?

For the school that does it, there's a momentary ego boost ("Look how many good candidates want to work for us!"). And in some really high profile cases, like head coach at Kentucky, you probably need to do it to manage the process lest the media cyclone carry it off into weird directions.  But was anyone really clamoring to know who the finalists for the Loras job were, outside of the individuals who applied and wanted to know the status of their individual application? If you want to show how desirable your job is, couldn't you do that by issuing something more general like, "we had X applicants including Y from current head coaches Z from people with experience in the IIAC...on NCAA tournament teams...at winning programs...etc."

If I'm a candidate for one of these jobs, I HATE this type of announcement. It's a signal to my current employer that I'm looking to move on. It's a signal to potential recruits that they should probably think about going elsewhere before sending that acceptance letter in. It's a signal to recruits who've already committed that they are playing for someone who really wanted to be somewhere else. It's a signal to my current players that I'm not really committed which is problematic unless I'm ultra honest with them about potentially moving on to another job throughout the recruiting process.

And, again, unless it's a really high profile job, how much does it help to be able to say that you were publicly recognized as a finalist for job you didn't get? Does it really improve your chances at getting a job at the next opening that becomes available?

I suspect there are very few assistant coaches who do not want to be a head coach.  I think it is a basic and reasonable assumption and it is just part of the deal.  If I'm a player coming to a school to play for an assistant coach who's my main recruiter ... it is not beyond the realm of possibility that he might leave - and in some ways you want to play for a guy who's wanted as a head coach elsewhere.

The basketball coaching fraternity is a very close-knit tight gossipy group.  Everyone knows what everyone is doing.  Other coaches know who is/are applying for jobs.  Coaches know which coaches have friendships/connections to other coaches.  If the UWSP assistant is applying at Loras then you know that Semling knows about this ... if he doesn't, you know is going to find out about it.

[Greek Tragedy]

I would hope that the coaching staff of any school has a good enough, respectful relationship that an assistant would inform the head coach of his/her intentions of looking for other/better jobs (not do it behind their backs). I would also hope the head coach would allow said assistants to do so without trying to prevent that coach from leaving.

[cubs]

Austin Arians transferring from Milwaukee, probably just the beginning.

Looks like Whitewater not getting ALL the transfers this year!!!!!

Arians deciding to transfer to Stevens Point so that he doesn't have to sit out a year like he would if he transferred to another D1 school....

[Just Bill]

If you're in coaching, you understand public searches are part of the deal. It's not an accounting job.

Also many head coaching searches now involve a chance for the public/alumni/students to meet the candidates. You can't do that unless you announce who they are.

[tomt4525]

Austin Arians transferring from Milwaukee, probably just the beginning.

Looks like Whitewater not getting ALL the transfers this year!!!!!

Arians deciding to transfer to Stevens Point so that he doesn't have to sit out a year like he would if he transferred to another D1 school....

I assume you're just trying to get reactions out of people, I've already read he had multiple D1's offer him after his release from Milwaukee.


Edit....oh yeah, it's April Fools...duh

[cubs]

      

     

[badgerwarhawk]

For better or worse it seems to me that nearly every one announces the finalists.  I couldn't even begin to count the number of announcements I've seen over the past several years.

Maybe it's a regional thing.  I can't recall ever seeing a Division III school announce its finalists for jobs in the northeast region of the country.  Not in a school authored post like this.

Maybe that's the answer for why Loras does it too -- because it's pretty common in that part of the country.

I suspect it is more a public/private thing.  Public schools are often required by law to be quite open - which may include publishing finalists.  (Since BW supports a public school, as are all the WIAC schools, he may have a biased perspective.)  I don't think it is common for privates, at least not until the final 2 or 3.  (I don't recall hearing any announcements from CCIW schools.  Lot's a speculating, but no announcements.)

Good points, I didn't think of the private/public thing but that could very well be the reason. 

[gordonmann]

I suspect there are very few assistant coaches who do not want to be a head coach.  I think it is a basic and reasonable assumption and it is just part of the deal. 

I would hope that the coaching staff of any school has a good enough, respectful relationship that an assistant would inform the head coach of his/her intentions of looking for other/better jobs (not do it behind their backs). I would also hope the head coach would allow said assistants to do so without trying to prevent that coach from leaving.

True, but my comments were more targeted at the two finalists who are already head coaches. Those guys have a lot more to lose by being publicly announced than assistants do.

[John Gleich]

Without having past rosters to back things up, its difficult to know exactly how many more Wisconsin kids are leaving to go play elsewhere.  But, Wisconsin kids on rosters from just the schools mentioned here.........

Michigan Tech        --6

MTU is definitely recruiting Wisconsin more. When I was there, we had one, Josh Buettner, from Shawno.

He is the top assistant now, which can't hurt recruiting across WI.

[AppletonRocks]

     

     

+1 cubs and you know that really is hard for me to do.