MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

It's always here:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/UW-Platteville/Men/2018-19/index

Duh. 🤦

[tomt4525]

UWRF got a few late commits that weren't announced yet.  Those include a transfer from DCTC in Cole Murray and Keegan O'Neill of Delano, MN.

O'Neill is a big commit, soared up in Minnesota's Player Rankings after a huge state tournament.

[tomt4525]

I wondered why we hadn't heard much about WW's recruiting class...but they did bring in a pretty big class after all.

Malik Clements (Madison West), Melvin Brown Jr. (Milwaukee Vincent), Lewrenzo Byers (Brown Deer), Tywon Bressler (Dominican), Jack Brahm (Nicolet), Finley Schumacher (Waukesha West) and Paul Kingsley (Chicago St. Rita).

[tomt4525]

I wondered why we hadn't heard much about WW's recruiting class...but they did bring in a pretty big class after all.

Malik Clements (Madison West), Melvin Brown Jr. (Milwaukee Vincent), Lewrenzo Byers (Brown Deer), Tywon Bressler (Dominican), Jack Brahm (Nicolet), Finley Schumacher (Waukesha West) and Paul Kingsley (Chicago St. Rita).

I did a little digging on WW's recruiting class, it won't help the stigma of being transfer university.

Malik Clements is a 6'3" G that spent his freshman year at Pearl River JC where he averaged 10 ppg, then spent 2 seasons at NDSU including a redshirt year...did get a little playing time but transferred to Alaska Anchorage for his junior season and averaged 8.6 ppg as their 3rd leading scorer.  Should have 1 year of eligibility

Melvin Brown spent 2014-2015 at MATC averaging 15 ppg, is a 6'6" F...that's all I could find out, no idea where he's been the past couple years.

Lewrenzo Byers is a 6'1" G that spent last season at Bryant & Stratton college averaging 13 ppg.  Also spent a year at Kirkwood JC but missing a year in there as well.  He could have a year or 2 of eligibility.

Tywon Bressler spent a couple years at Iowa Lakes CC averaging 11 ppg.  He was announced in the Bellevue University recruiting class last season but was not listed on their roster throughout the season.  Also could have 1 or 2 years of eligibility.

[Gregory Sager]

I wondered why we hadn't heard much about WW's recruiting class...but they did bring in a pretty big class after all.

Malik Clements (Madison West), Melvin Brown Jr. (Milwaukee Vincent), Lewrenzo Byers (Brown Deer), Tywon Bressler (Dominican), Jack Brahm (Nicolet), Finley Schumacher (Waukesha West) and Paul Kingsley (Chicago St. Rita).

I did a little digging on WW's recruiting class, it won't help the stigma of being transfer university.

Translation: That's a key rival of the school that I support, so I'm going to malign an entire category of college students, a category that makes up a substantial percentage of American college students in general (37% as of a decade ago, and it could only have gotten higher since then), just to take a jab at that rival school by referring to that category of students as a "stigma".

[tomt4525]

I wondered why we hadn't heard much about WW's recruiting class...but they did bring in a pretty big class after all.

Malik Clements (Madison West), Melvin Brown Jr. (Milwaukee Vincent), Lewrenzo Byers (Brown Deer), Tywon Bressler (Dominican), Jack Brahm (Nicolet), Finley Schumacher (Waukesha West) and Paul Kingsley (Chicago St. Rita).

I did a little digging on WW's recruiting class, it won't help the stigma of being transfer university.

Translation: That's a key rival of the school that I support, so I'm going to malign an entire category of college students, a category that makes up a substantial percentage of American college students in general (37% as of a decade ago, and it could only have gotten higher since then), just to take a jab at that rival school by referring to that category of students as a "stigma".

Maybe you should stick to the CCIW page and the stigma with Augustana hoarding bigs and IWU hoarding guards.

I don't care where WW gets their players.  There has been an ongoing discussion on this page about how many transfers WW has brought into their basketball program, the conversation has included all teams in the WIAC.  That's the only reason I brought up a "stigma."  If I was a WW fan, I would be excited about this recruiting class.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I don't see why it is a stigma. For some students, it is the cheapest and most efficient way to graduate from college. By saying it's a stigma, you are doing what Sager is indicating ... making light and dismissing students who take that track.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I don't see why it is a stigma. For some students, it is the cheapest and most efficient way to graduate from college. By saying it's a stigma, you are doing what Sager is indicating ... making light and dismissing students who take that track.

Besides, while it might be a stigma if students were constantly transferring AWAY from a school, how could it possibly be a stigma to have students transferring IN?

[tomt4525]

Why are you all bringing up the fact that the general population have been transferring at a high level??  I haven't said anything about the normal student public.  My comment was about strictly the basketball program.  Take a look at the Whitewater roster and you'll see why it's a "stigma."  Stigma's don't have to be negative.

By my count, the WW roster could have 9 players on their roster that transferred in.  That is why the present "stigma" has been attached to WW.  Like I said, I don't care where they get their players. If they can play, WW fans should be very happy.  WW has had a lot of success with their recruiting strategy, it's not a negative.

[tjcummingsfan]

Take a look at the Whitewater roster and you'll see why it's a "stigma."  Stigma's don't have to be negative.

By my count, the WW roster could have 9 players on their roster that transferred in.  That is why the present "stigma" has been attached to WW.  Like I said, I don't care where they get their players. If they can play, WW fans should be very happy.  WW has had a lot of success with their recruiting strategy, it's not a negative.

I'll be that guy...

stigma
[stig-muh]

noun, plural stig·ma·ta [stig-muh-tuh, stig-mah-tuh, -mat-uh] /ˈstɪg mə tə, stɪgˈmɑ tə, -ˈmæt ə/, stig·mas.
a mark of disgrace or infamy; a stain or reproach, as on one's reputation.

[Gregory Sager]

Why are you all bringing up the fact that the general population have been transferring at a high level??  I haven't said anything about the normal student public.

Because by referring pejoratively to UWW as a "transfer university" by openly calling the term a "stigma", you're casting aspersions upon transfer students in general, as though they're inferiors whose presence on campus somehow taints the school as a whole.

My comment was about strictly the basketball program.  Take a look at the Whitewater roster and you'll see why it's a "stigma."  Stigma's don't have to be negative.

Au contraire. A stigma is by its very definition negative:

STIGMA [stig-muh] noun, plural stig·ma·ta [stig-muh-tuh, stig-mah-tuh, -mat-uh] /ˈstɪg mə tə, stɪgˈmɑ tə, -ˈmæt ə/, stig·mas 1. a mark of disgrace or infamy; a stain or reproach, as on one's reputation.

The only positive stigmata are when nuns or holy men start bleeding from unseen wounds in their hands, feet, and sides in a supernatural imitation of Christ's crucifixion. Somehow I doubt that you're saying that UW-Whitewater transfer students are spiritually exalted people who miraculously bleed from unseen wounds.

By my count, the WW roster could have 9 players on their roster that transferred in. That is why the present "stigma" has been attached to WW. Like I said, I don't care where they get their players. If they can play, WW fans should be very happy. WW has had a lot of success with their recruiting strategy, it's not a negative.

It is a negative if you're calling it a stigma. That's my whole point. The very word is a putdown, not only of the UWW men's basketball program specifically, but of UWW in general ("transfer university"), and of transfer students in toto.

[Gregory Sager]

Rats! Beaten by fourteen seconds!

Well, at least I was beaten out by a fellow North Park alumnus.

[tomt4525]

Ok, I'll be that guy too...another definition of Stigma:  an identifying mark or characteristic....so look it up

Is that negative??  A characteristic of the WW basketball program as of late has been taking in a higher percentage of transfers than the rest of the conference.  That's what the discussion was centered around.  For the 3rd time, I don't care where they get their players unless they are in a recruiting battle with UWSP...which I'm sure happens frequently.

I didn't realize that we were on a general student body forum....I could have sworn that I was typing a response on a WIAC men's basketball forum....I guess I really should be more specific as to just talking about the basketball program.

[tjcummingsfan]

you forgot this part of that definition...

specifically : a specific diagnostic sign of a disease

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stigma

[Gregory Sager]

Ok, I'll be that guy too...another definition of Stigma:  an identifying mark or characteristic....so look it up

A stigma is a negative. That's all that there is to it, plain and simple. The fact that you said that the incoming transfers "won't help" the stigma further reinforces that you intended for it to be read as a negative, too. If a stigma was neutral or a positive, why would it need to be helped?

Is that negative??  A characteristic of the WW basketball program as of late has been taking in a higher percentage of transfers than the rest of the conference.  That's what the discussion was centered around.

No, the discussion was centered around the fact that you made a qualitative judgment about UWW based upon the perception that it has a lot of transfer students. It's right there in your original post:

I did a little digging on WW's recruiting class, it won't help the stigma of being transfer university.

Moving on:

For the 3rd time, I don't care where they get their players unless they are in a recruiting battle with UWSP...which I'm sure happens frequently.

I didn't realize that we were on a general student body forum....I could have sworn that I was typing a response on a WIAC men's basketball forum....I guess I really should be more specific as to just talking about the basketball program.

For the third time, you used the words "transfer university". You didn't call the stigma "transfer men's basketball program".

Besides, the bigger issue here is the idea that there is a stigma attached to being a transfer student, whether on the basketball team or not. Those of us who've responded to you have disagreed with your opinion about that.