MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[PauldingLightUP]

I looked back, but had a hard time finding. Lot's of stoppage and fouls called. After watching UWP a number of times, I can say, yes they play physical and somewhat questionable. They do throw elbows and trip (stick their leg out) on purpose. Many do.  Maybe it's a team thing, toughness thing? They are good. When I watch them play, they know the refs are only going to call so many fouls and they are deep. I had to laugh at Pearson on his 5th. Clearly a charge. Maybe it was the other 4. We all know. When you play at UWP. You start the game down 10-0. lol

If you're saying it was hard to find the elbow in question...I mentioned in my first post that it happened with 1 minute and 5 seconds left in the first half.  I'd suggest you keep watching for the next minute or 2 though cuz you get a good look at it from replays during the stoppage.

Yup, Platteville had some good reviews and replay angles. I just think at this level, officials are more inclined to stay with the original call because they can't tell. There is clearly an elbow to the face/neck. Whether right or wrong, from what I've seen replay has been used to clean up minor timing things in the first year in the WIAC, not upgrade to F1/F2. They often look for F1's but rarely anything happens. And because of that F1's are more common in Division I than Division III.

(I think if memory serves, maybe one time this conference season a foul got upgraded to F1 status in the WIAC)

[WIACer]

Gotcha. Saw it. Obvious flagrant. Now we don't know what referees are looking at, but he clearly intentionally swung and hit the head/face with an elbow. Did he mean to hit the head and face? Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, no. But he did. However, LOL. Ref, maybe on the missed ft you should call over the back. Unfortunately, we have glorified AAU refs in the WIAC. Don't call anything and randomly pick something to call. Embarrassing for the league. There is physical and there is cheap. Refs should know the difference. In the little I watched Yes, UWP continues to contact offensive players, ride, body, hand check, illegal screens. A back screen, you can't run into the defender. You should be set before the contact. But, if calls are not made, why not. May hurt them in playoffs? Maybe not? Guess they got to hope refs are all similar. Go WIAC.

[Kirbmania]

I normally don't like to post this way, but based on these whiny Point fans posting comments about physical play last night I feel I have to make a rebuttal.  I can't believe you watched that game last night and felt Platteville was the only team playing physical.  You bring up the inadvertent elbow by Hettinger, which I'll point out an unbiased observer posted on here that he felt it was inadvertent.  You did not mention the many times Hettinger was pushed/tackled to the ground by Point players, when he was bloodied in the mouth by Point players that caused the game to be stopped and a time he was clearly grabbed in the jersey while making a move in the lane.  Were you not watching when those plays happened??  Those plays are OK when done by Point players?? Hettinger is unquestionably a physical player that at times can go beyond acceptable but his taking it beyond "normal" physical play is sometimes reactionary to how opponents play him.  I can't believe the Point fans say last night they were whistled for just "touch" fouls.  Must be nice to watch a game through those rose colored glasses. I would also point out that in the first half a hard foul was committed by a Point player under the basket which was correctly called a foul.  The Point head coach enthusiastically applauded the play and high fived his player who committed the foul...unbelievable condoning of inappropriate play.  And this is not the first time I've witnessed him do this same thing.  Point is easily just as physical if not more physical than any team in the WIAC.....and they were last night too.

[Greek Tragedy]

I wasn't whining. I was looking at that specific play and I thought it was an intentional foul. That's all. As I said, I didn't see the game.

[Kirbmania]

My post was not specifically directed at you.  There were others who spoke of Platteville's physical play but failed to list the plays I mentioned and indicated they had watched the game.  Appeared to me like very biased opinions and yes, whining.
Those who watch D3 games regularly should know going in that the officiating is going to be abysmal.  My only hope in each game is that the result does not hinge on a referee call at the end of the game.

[WashingtonWiz99]

Reviews in Division III should not be available. It simply does not make any sense.

[tomt4525]

I normally don't like to post this way, but based on these whiny Point fans posting comments about physical play last night I feel I have to make a rebuttal.  I can't believe you watched that game last night and felt Platteville was the only team playing physical.  You bring up the inadvertent elbow by Hettinger, which I'll point out an unbiased observer posted on here that he felt it was inadvertent.  You did not mention the many times Hettinger was pushed/tackled to the ground by Point players, when he was bloodied in the mouth by Point players that caused the game to be stopped and a time he was clearly grabbed in the jersey while making a move in the lane.  Were you not watching when those plays happened??  Those plays are OK when done by Point players?? Hettinger is unquestionably a physical player that at times can go beyond acceptable but his taking it beyond "normal" physical play is sometimes reactionary to how opponents play him.  I can't believe the Point fans say last night they were whistled for just "touch" fouls.  Must be nice to watch a game through those rose colored glasses. I would also point out that in the first half a hard foul was committed by a Point player under the basket which was correctly called a foul.  The Point head coach enthusiastically applauded the play and high fived his player who committed the foul...unbelievable condoning of inappropriate play.  And this is not the first time I've witnessed him do this same thing.  Point is easily just as physical if not more physical than any team in the WIAC.....and they were last night too.

I'll be the first to admit there is some bias for fans watching their favorite teams.  With that said, you wouldn't have responded to the series of these messages the way that you did without having a bias towards Platteville.  So, it goes both ways.

Secondly, it's pointless to respond to this because you won't be changing my mind on how that game went and I won't be changing your mind.

I'm just going to focus on Hettinger.  I've already said it, he's a cheap player.  You actually acknowledge that yourself when you say he "sometimes takes it beyond normal physical play."  I only remember 2 different times where Hettinger fell to the floor, if there is more than I would have to go back and look at it.  A guard for Point undercut him trying to box him out for a rebound,  definitely a foul and it was called as such.  Undercuts like that happen almost every single game.  It is a far cry from a cheap play.  It happened because it was a smaller defender who was late to trying to get in and box out Hettinger.  Again, not a cheap play.  The second instance I can remember was also on a rebound.  Krohn was boxing him out, I believe Tarjan was also there and all 3 tripped over each other and fell down.  I think Krohn and Hettinger had hands on each other, not sure who was initially at fault there.  When Hettinger came down, he made sure to grab Tarjan with him.  That part, is yes, cheap.  The elbow in question, was also not the only elbow Hettinger threw that game.  I'd have to go back and watch when exactly though.  In the first half, Hettinger had the ball and was trying to back down Krohn.  As he was dribbling, with his off hand he delivered an elbow to the stomach to Krohn.  I watched all 3 games this year between Point and Platteville and the common denominator in all the "overly physical plays" is Hettinger, but it must be Point who is causing them, right?

I don't know what foul you're talking about that Dernbach was praising on the sideline.  That also means nothing.  I'm sure he does celebrate some physical plays, every coach wants their players to be physical.  The "overly physical" that continue to follow Hettinger is what gets my reaction.

I stand by how I thought the refs called the game differently based on who was playing defense.  Olson used his hands over and over on Butler when Butler would put the ball on the deck.  Those same hands on a drive resulted in multiple fouls being called on Point.  You go ahead and think differently.

I know a few people have shared that they hope the WIAC shows out well in the National Tourney, I don't share that sentiment.  I hope Platteville and La Crosse lose first round.  Hettinger is the reason I'm hoping that for Platteville.  How Coach Gritzmacher acted after the La Crosse/Point game in Point this year is the reason I hope La Crosse loses.

I won't continue to respond to your opinion on this matter, like I said, we aren't changing each other's opinions.  This board has gone down the tube for awhile now and I'm getting to the point where it's a waste of any time spent on it.

[Kirbmania]

Yes, your bias comes out very clear in this post, to the point where I now will use "overly" biased to describe your posts.  I hope you do lose interest in this board and stop posting because your overly biased posts mean nothing to the majority of the readers.

[tomt4525]

Yes, your bias comes out very clear in this post, to the point where I now will use "overly" biased to describe your posts.  I hope you do lose interest in this board and stop posting because your overly biased posts mean nothing to the majority of the readers.

Yes, your 3 posts have contributed an insane amount of knowledge to the readers on this board, absolutely no bias included either.

[Pat Coleman]

I normally don't like to post this way ...

Welcome to the board -- post the way you like to post, assuming you don't like to post this way.

[badgerwarhawk]

Yes, your 3 posts have contributed an insane amount of knowledge to the readers on this board, absolutely no bias included either.

Like all the whining has contributed so much and we all know so much more now.  Too freakin' funny.

[tomt4525]

Yes, your 3 posts have contributed an insane amount of knowledge to the readers on this board, absolutely no bias included either.

Like all the whining has contributed so much and we all know so much more now.  Too freakin' funny.

Good to know BW, 99 percent of my posts have been WIAC recruiting related...mostly commitment posts.  I don't need to share what I see on here then.  You guys enjoy your unbiased knowledge sharing.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Here is my take after reviewing the video as a "neutral" observer - as no fan of either team I'd have preferred that they both lost this game 

- For me that was the absolute definition of a Flagrant 1 foul.  From the NCAA 24-25 rules manual:


Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature (unwarranted or too much) and/or unnecessary (avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the circumstances of the play), but is not based solely on the severity of the act. 


It then lists 8 specific examples including these:


a) Causing excessive or unnecessary contact with an opponent; 
f) Illegal contact caused by swinging of an elbow that is deemed excessive or unnecessary but does not rise to the level of a flagrant 2 personal foul

I would have expected that the original foul on UWSP remained (since it occured prior to the F1) and the F1 called on UWP.

[WIACer]

It was an easy "blown call". Now,I guess we do not know what the refs had available. Maybe not same feed. I also do not follow either team. I do hope someone in the WIAC wins it all. I am more disappointed at the refs in the WIAC. A lot of new faces, which is welcomed. But, ref. It's not AAU.

[PauldingLightUP]

It was an easy "blown call". Now,I guess we do not know what the refs had available. Maybe not same feed. I also do not follow either team. I do hope someone in the WIAC wins it all. I am more disappointed at the refs in the WIAC. A lot of new faces, which is welcomed. But, ref. It's not AAU.

If you really think WIAC has AAU officials, then so does the NACC, MWC, GLIAC, and NSIC. All the same officials.

And I promise, you'll see a lot worse in Wisconsin high school basketball.