MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[frodotwo]

A nice effort by the Warhawks was wasted in front of their home crowd. I'm not sure how many seats that Kachel has, but there were at least 1200 filled there last night and other than the 100 or so Pointer fans no one left their seats unless it was to visit the rest rooms or the concession stand. An exciting game like this and I saw only a smattering of cheer and support from the WW fan base. The students basically sat on their hands all night. Maybe they get extra credit towards their PE degree if they show up?? My first visit to WW and I was impressed with their facilities but not their fans.  At least they showed some support when their All Americans were introduced, but I still think the Point fans were louder in their applause of them. The WIAC ought to take WW officials to task for not turning in attendance figures, are they embarrassed or is that where the fans get their indifference from???

Andy Freund was a tough cover (16 pts) for the Pointers in their first meeting in SP and he never made it off the bench in this game? The doghouse must have a one way only door. WW games are always entertaining and nerve racking because they have such fine athletes and this game was fun to watch. Pete Rortvedt was awesome, but the officiating was awesomely inconsistent. Jason Price made my All Conference team with his game last night as he answered everything the Pointers threw at him.

[Greek Tragedy]

Wow! people actually posting after a game day!  What a concept!  I'm impressed lol 

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that keeps this board alive! lol 

I voted for Freund/Price for best inside/outside combo, trouble is that Andy was benched and didn't play last night

Even for the most die-hard fan, that's totally a homer pick! lol.

The only person who rivals their gunners is Price.

Very true.  Point has a hard time with those quick guards and we couldn't stop Price, for sure.  I'm glad he got into foul trouble a little bit!

Good effort by UWW, I will always agree w/ old school and tell everyone that the only concern of UWW fans is where the next party is. 

That's true.  I have a good friend that went to Whitewater and that's all he talks about.  But, it just wasn't the students...it was the adult/general public.  They didn't even cheer when the announcer said that the Whitewater women were beating the Point women!  They just really seemed disinterested in the game.

A small correction from stoutguy's post.  The "act of shooting" ends when the player returns to the floor, not necessarily at the release.  So, making contact with a player who has released the ball, but is still in the air is a shooting foul.  Contact with a player who has completed their shot and is already on the ground is not a shooting foul and should result in the ball out of bounds or bonus free throws.

There might have been a possibility that Rortvedt was done shooting...based on the overall reffing last night, I won't give them the benefit of the doubt!  I rarely criticize the reffing, but last night's was pretty bad, on both ends.

First, I don't know how anyone could vote for any other duo other than Krull and Rortvedt, but that  is what makes basketball great...differing point of views.

I took Gibson/Capelle because Gibson is more of a threat defensively.  Sounds like you were at the game, should've said hi.

Our offense looked weak despite scoring 80 against a team that allows 65 on the average?   It's probably just me but that doesn't make much sense.  

I'll have to agree with Badger here.  Whitewater shot 49% for the game and at times Point really had trouble making a stop.  Price was unstoppable.  I think Toellner did what Freund did to Point the first time around.

Oh yeah, I believe Point only had ONE turnover in the 2nd half.

The real reason that you are in this happy, feel-good mood is that you had the insite to pick John Nonamacher for your fantasy team.  John had a monster game last night in Superior.  He told me to thank you for picking him.  I think you are his inspiration now

I wouldn't know, that was the only boxscore not available this morning!  I'll have to check his stats.  BTW, Swampgoon is really upset that I dropped him in favor of Nonemacher! lol.

[Greek Tragedy]

Stevens Point 83, Whitewater 80...A guy named Hicklin had a pretty good game too.

La Crosse 54, Platteville 32...32 points, ouch!

Stout 89, Superior 74...Tell John to work on his free-throws; 2-4?  You're KILLIN' ME! lol

Superior:  25 assists on 30 made FGs.  Wow.

River Falls 68, Eau Claire 66...Courtney Davis returns from his "injury". 

[T.F. Guy]

Hey, Warhawk Nation, I used to be one of you.  A couple observations:

First, you're not alone in getting burned by Point's back-door cuts.  Everyone in the league has burn marks from that. 
What impresses me the most about the Pointers is that they never, ever stop executing.  They run that motion offense for as long as it takes until they get the shot they want.  And with the talent they have, anyone, not just Rortvedt, can take and make that shot.
That said, one reason SP has been so effective this season is the overall lack of size in the league.  In any other season, they'd be undersized, and Oshkosh showed a big game by a post player is an important ingredient in defeating them.  Just having a big fella isn't a guarantee, but, this year, you can't beat the Pointers without one.  I mean, if Platteville had Jeff Skemp available in their game against SP, maybe the Pointers don't escape with a win.

Second, your fans.  This is an old topic -- and I don't mean to include all of you at WW, because you've got a base of great fans -- but why the general disinterest? 
Have you had too much success?  It's not like you've got struggling programs like other schools around the league.  Is being so close to Milwaukee, Madison and Chicago providing too many other entertainment options?
Look, you had one of the nation's best teams (like yours, one of the conference's historic elites) on the ropes, in your building, in an important game, and you can't be roused to make some noise?  Can you imagine if Wisconsin fans clammed up as, say, Iowa was trying to steal a win out of the Kohl Center?
If you don't care, don't go.

[badgerwarhawk]

If anyone would bother to take the time and look they'd notice that WW has reported their attendance to the WIAC.  Though the numbers were not available when Downtown was doing his research they were shortly afterward and have been updated regularly.

Yes, they are pathetic.  I wish I had the answer for why students generally stay away in droves.   I doubt they're  heading off to Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago in significant numbers on a Wednesday night. 

[Greek Tragedy]

That said, one reason SP has been so effective this season is the overall lack of size in the league. 

Ummm...Werner from La Crosse (probable POTY), Jacob and John Nonemacher from Stout, Gibson from Oshkosh. Gossens from Platteville (even if Skemp is injured, Gossens is still a big load to handle), Beyer from Eau Claire had 27 (I think) vs Point.  Robertson from River Falls is an all-conference player this year.  Lack of size?  Try next year. 

If anyone would bother to take the time and look they'd notice that WW has reported their attendance to the WIAC.  Though the numbers were not available when Downtown was doing his research they were shortly afterward and have been updated regularly.

I NOTICED! 

[frodotwo]

If anyone would bother to take the time and look they'd notice that WW has reported their attendance to the WIAC.  Though the numbers were not available when Downtown was doing his research they were shortly afterward and have been updated regularly.

Yes, they are pathetic.  I wish I had the answer for why students generally stay away in droves.   I doubt they're  heading off to Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago in significant numbers on a Wednesday night. 

I don't know where exactly they are reporting their attendance to, but here is what is listed for  FIVE of the home games at WW according to the official WIAC Weekly Newsletter February 6, 2007:
                                             NA - NA - NA - NA - NA
http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/mbasket/020607.pdf

[Greek Tragedy]

To be fair, it's only 4.  The Grinnell game was a neutral site game...hence the "vs." in front of Grinnell. 

If anyone would bother to take the time and look they'd notice that WW has reported their attendance to the WIAC.  Though the numbers were not available when Downtown was doing his research they were shortly afterward and have been updated semi  regularly.

[uww4ever]

I hate talking about the fans, mostly because I have to compete with these people for treadmill time in the weight room 

Last year was just about the same.  The team was winning, but no rousing celabrations or chants came.  Which is fine, because the local paper here keeps pointing that out too.  Each year, we have plenty of all americans, good teams and such, but overall it feels like a high school environment.  Maybe i'm getting too old.

Anyway, I'm encouraged by the effort shown by Price, Vernon, and Mitchell, we will need them next year.  I'm not thinking about next year already, there is still a month in the season and any team can get hot and dangerous.  I would be surprised if you hear five claps for the seniors during senior night.

While some fans like me are very knowledgable of my alma mater, some could care less. 

 

[historyinthemaking]

Foul Calls: The two most common mistakes in BB are when to call several kinds of fouls. If you are fouled after the shot is released, it is not a shooting foul. I see this one or two times a game called, especially from the 3 point zone. This promotes taking a dive by the shooter. On the other hand, if the after the shot foul is not called, it allows the defender to get in a cheap shot that will not be called. The shooter is often off balance and vulnerable.

As a fellow Pioneer fan, unfortunately I have to tell you that the way you explained this foul is inaccuarte. A shooter is considered a shooter until one of his feet hit the ground. He is considered an airborn shooter, even after he releases the ball. So, therefore, after he releases the ball and is fouled, as long one of his feet has not hit the floor, he is still considered in the act of shooting.
If however, the shooter hits the ground with one foot, and is then fouled on a box out, or pushed, he should not be called in the act of shooting.
If you remember back two years ago, Brad Reitzner got this call when shooting three-point shots, atleast once a game. Players and coaches from opposing teams would become livid over this call, however, as long as he had not hit the ground with one of his feet, he was still in the act of shooting. Say what you want, but thats the rule.
Hoping the Pioneers can get back on the winning track as the WIAC season comes to a close!

[historyinthemaking]

my apologies as someone already posted the correction on the board. guess me adding my two cents backfired! My first post, and I screw it up!

[Greek Tragedy]

It's always nice to get new posters...I'm beginning to realize how many "lurkers" there are out there who read but don't post.

NEW POLL, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! 

[Pat Coleman]

my apologies as someone already posted the correction on the board. guess me adding my two cents backfired! My first post, and I screw it up!

That's alright. A couple rookie mistakes we can live with. Welcome aboard.

[bulk19]

Point guys -

After our discussions about POY/MVP and Krull and Rortvedt, et. al, I voted Rortvedt's 7 threes in last night's game as the performance of the year, as per the poll here. (When I voted, he was unanimously running away with it, will all two votes cast in his favor!)   Big game, hostile territory, down to the wire, and he goes off, hitting that many to help the Pointers eek out a W...

Remind me I need to see him next year!, seeings I missed him in his games at Zorn this year and last... As it stands now,  I believe my Blugolds would be slated to see him one more time this year, in the first round of the playoffs, at Quandt. Maybe he's gotten it out of his system now, you think? Ha. Or course, Krull will probably pick that night to go wild!  

And down the stretch we come...

[chmarx]

I voted for Rortvedt, too.  Amazing performance.