MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BDshotblocker]

You psychology guys really scare me.  But on a serious note the big guy himself (Pat Coleman) is going to be on our radio show Sat. morning somewhere between 9:20 and 9:35.  I'm thinking that I need to get his reaction to the firestorm that you created with this WIAC/CCIW talk. 

WOW!!!!!!!!! Really.  Now I have to listen.

[Greek Tragedy]

My first thought is scholarships but that is becuase i have student loans.....

That would require the public schools to go to D2 or D1, something everyone and their mother outside the WIAC wants!  There are scholarships, for smart people.  I, unfortunately, wasn't one of them.

And how many trips is that?  How many is that compared to say Stevens Point?  How many losses to LaX will you accept?

If everyone compared their success to Point's (I'm trying to be modest here), every coach would be fired.  Next to Point, and possibly Whitewater, Oshkosh has been one of the most successful programs in recent WIAC history.  Whitewater has shared and won more conference championships, but aside from last year, when was the last time THEY made the NCAAs!  Come on.  Coaching has a lot to do with it, but he's not out there executing.  There are days when Capelle, Marsh and others shoot a combined 14-25 or whatever, and they win...and then there are times when you see Capelle go for 4-11, March 2-9 etc and they lose...so that's the coach's fault?  Sometimes it's the opposing coach that does a good job too. 

Now, if the players don't buy into the system, is that a coach's fault?

Yeah.  The coach has to know who he's recruiting and the player has to know what system he's going to be playing in.  I've heard the Bennetts and Semling talk about recruiting and how they'd fit into the system...not changing the system so they can grap some high profile stud recruit. 

He holds Stout's #1 spot still at 1408 averaging 16.1 per game, three time all-conference 1st team selection.

The current WIAC leader is Jason Kalsow with 883.  That's how you crash the boards Kissman

Without looking on the WIAC stat page, this post has me totally confused.  He's #1 on Stout with 1408, but the WIAC leader has 500+ less?

[Stout survivor]

Don't let me scare you I did'nt say I am good at psychology.

As far as the comment the TVD is to blame for Oshy not playing in the tourny... really.  When did UWO become Kentucky, there are #9 in the nation and that is not good enough.  The third loss to UWL was tough for the program but UWL is a very good team too with a very good coach.  This league is full of very good coaches that can beat you. Two schools made great choices in hiring new coaches and will become a force next year, not that they will win a championship but will have a hand in who wins it.

This year will be a huge year for recruiting. Krull, Capelle, Gibson, Werner, Ask, Cobb, Gossens, and Ja Nonemacher amonst others leave big roles that need to be filled as well any team that can get the "true point guard" to handle the ball for some teams.  should make for an interesting offseason and who will step up next year.

[kek]

On the underlying reason Oshkosh doesn't get in the Tourney comes down to what someone referred to earlier: bad coaching. They need a change there big time but nobody wants to step up after all these years of good talent and no coaching skill and leadership.

BBGUY- Are you T2k's Twin Brother??  It sounds like you both have to fight over the same ax to grind.  Please enlighten me on what is it that TVD is not doing to your satisfaction. I would assume that those prior trips to the NCAA Tourney were just getting lucky.

And how many trips is that?  How many is that compared to say Stevens Point?  How many losses to LaX will you accept?

UW-O has been a dominant team in a lot of sports and this hasn't been one of them.  Time for a change--just like football. 

Here are some answers on how unsuccessful you make TVD & UWO Men's Basketball out to be.
Please remember for the 12 years prior to TVD's becoming the head coach at UWO the Titans were 127-191 Overall and 69-123 in the old WSUC. Since he has been the head coach the Titans record has been 299-156 Overall and 154 -118  in the WIAC.  He has had only 2 losing seasons.  In the last 12 seasons the Titans are 234-94 71% Win% overall and 121-71 63% Win % in the WIAC.  He has guided the Titans to five  20+ Win Seasons.  Only the Pointers have more overall wins in the last 12 years.  So I feel the numbers speak for themselves.  He might not have the National Titles that Jack Bennet or Bo Ryan have, but his teams are consistantly in the thick of things.  So I would have disagree with the statement that it is time for a change.

[BDshotblocker]

He holds Stout's #1 spot still at 1408 averaging 16.1 per game, three time all-conference 1st team selection.

The current WIAC leader is Jason Kalsow with 883.  That's how you crash the boards Kissman

Without looking on the WIAC stat page, this post has me totally confused.  He's #1 on Stout with 1408, but the WIAC leader has 500+ less?

It was a different conference back then. WSUC I believe.

[Greek Tragedy]

It was a different conference back then. WSUC I believe.

Same conference, different name though...

Records

Ratliff (EC) 1492
Kissman (St) 1408

[BDshotblocker]

It was a different conference back then. WSUC I believe.

Same conference, different name though...

Records

Ratliff (EC) 1492
Kissman (St) 1408

Come on Kissman, couldn't you hustle a little more and get to the 1500 mark.  An EC person is ahead of you. (lol)  Those are some very impressive rebounders.

[stoutguy]

It was a different conference back then. WSUC I believe.

Same conference, different name though...

Records

Ratliff (EC) 1492
Kissman (St) 1408

Come on Kissman, couldn't you hustle a little more and get to the 1500 mark.  An EC person is ahead of you. (lol)  Those are some very impressive rebounders.

I remember watching Jerry Kissman play.  The man could rebound.  Shotblocker, you could do everything else better than Jerry, but the guy could rebound.  That was his trademark and nobody did it better until Mike Ratliff came along.  He wasn't too shabby either and he was one of those dreaded Blugolds.  I still have a picture of Mike Ratliff guarding Jabbar (Alcindor then) in an NBA game.  Oh, yes, the good ol days were not too shabby. 

[ustbumkneez]

I clicked on your link, OS, and perused the stat lists. Was great reading all the names of the big time guys I watched come through Karges over the years (95% visitors ), players Id forgotten about, etc. And one name on the all-time rebound list reminded me of a pretty good story. I always knew Dan McGinty was a superb rebounder, the numbers in the Falcon game programs I frequently read spoke for themselves, but I could never put 2 and 2 together when I would get in on noon ball at Karges during high school. There was this guy that would absolutely dominate the boards, even though he was my dads age, the court was littered with guys from the Falcons, and he was more than a little "wide bodied" (as Tommy Heinsohn would say). First time I got in on a game, my soph year, I was guarding him and, in my youthful ignorance, figured I had a pretty easy matchup. Opening time down the court, he backs me into the post, drops a forearm into my sternum that propels me to the floor, and puts in a layup. Cleaning up rebounds, throwing chicken wings, dropping in hooks, he was almost always on the winning squad. Wasnt until a couple years later, after multiple games watching this guy pull a Charles Barkley on the boards, that my dad enlightened me to the fact that the "old man" who was beating me, and just about every other guy on the floor up, was Big Red Dan McGinty. I guess the great rebounders never really lose their edge, haha.

[diehardfan]

Greg, no one has ever used my name and it's connection to a month to make a joke... ever. Very creative. 

Oh really, well soutguy I see how it is... i thought we had some good conversations in my time here.

Maybe you run every day not to stay in shape but to run away from something, it could be your subconscience speaking.  maybe you need to be huged more. I know your wife so she cant be the problem she is too nice...... that one is free next time I will bill you (lol).

And this is exactly why I'm never speaking here ever again. 

[Stout survivor]

diehardfan you can talk as much as you want.... you are much more valuable then a mere second stringer like myself. 

I wonder if Pat gets a gift basket or something for coming on stoutguy's show .. I did not get jack but a man with the prestige as Pat should get something .... if not he must be the nicest man in the nation.

I hope this snow storm we are going to get wont hurt the games this weekend, may all fans and teams travel safe.

GO WIAC (i just can't put go and pointers together yet, maybe OS can help me)

[muellertime09]

I know it's too late, but Oshkosh got robbed in not getting into the tournament.  Even though they lost to LAX three times, they really didn't have a bad loss all year(LAX lost to EC and RF).  Every team Oshkosh lost to this year was either ranked at the end or was ranked earlier.  A win on the road like the one at Point is also huge but was overlooked.  I know you all probably heard it as well, but one of the guests on Hoopsville said the Grinnell coach wasn't sure there was a better team in the tournament and that there is some doubt this year there is no team left out of the playoffs that could win the title, and that was UWO.

As far as TVD,  we will see what he has for skills next year with all the losses in personel.  Keep in mind, though, that he lost a ton from his elite eight team and went .500 in the WIAC the next year with this class when they were freshmen.  I think he's a good coach and will continue at Oshkosh until he wants to leave...just like Meyer did for football.

[BDshotblocker]

I don't know how anybody can say TVD's job is in danger.  He's a great coach that adjusts his offense around the players abilities.  To finish in the top of this league year after year is a major accomplishment. 

It's probably just frustration over having a class of players, like they had this year, play for four years and never get a shot at the "dance." 

[diehardfan]

diehardfan you can talk as much as you want.... you are much more valuable then a mere second stringer like myself. 

(insert statement about the importance of players over mere armchair quarterbacks)

I wonder if Pat gets a gift basket or something for coming on stoutguy's show .. I did not get jack but a man with the prestige as Pat should get something .... if not he must be the nicest man in the nation.

Gift basket, nice. I wonder, what is the most random gift Pat has gotten since starting this website? Guesses?

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[chmarx]

It was a different conference back then. WSUC I believe.

Same conference, different name though...

Records

Ratliff (EC) 1492
Kissman (St) 1408

Come on Kissman, couldn't you hustle a little more and get to the 1500 mark.  An EC person is ahead of you. (lol)  Those are some very impressive rebounders.

Remember, Kissman did it in three years.