MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BDshotblocker]

Is this loss for Point comparable to the loss to Oshkosh?  Looking at the stats and from what has been said on the board it sure sounds like it. 

Did Point get there patented back door cuts last night?

Sad the WIAC season is over  

[bulk19]

Have to commend UWSP for having host families for the three teams that came in to Point this weekend, a la the families in Va., who host the teams there during the championships... Read about it online at the Point Journal site...

Well, we're done with the WIAC season, but we still have the boys' state tournament to look foward to, and Marquette and Wisconsin in the Big Dance...

Oh, and there was an article in the La Crosse Tribune today *maybe yesterday, I forget * about LAX looking at possibly getting an NBA developmental team, as they try to expand the number of those teams from 12 to 30, or one per NBA team...

[mark_reichert]

On the other hand, all eight of the UAA schools are richer than Croesus. Wash U's endowment is $4.7 billion.

Which is only the 15th largest and doesn't even make it the tops in the UAA.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/22/pf/college/richest_endowment_funds/index.htm

Brandeis and puzzlingly Carnegie-Mellon are the missing UAA schools, though former member John Hopkins (a Division III school except for its Division I lacrosse teams)  is on the list.

Perhaps Richard Mellon Scaife is spending too much money on propaganda and not enough on the school his family co-founded.

Kinda gives you pause when you consider the resources battle that goes on behind the battles on the court and on the playing field.

As far as I know, the Athletic department is given no special treatment over other departments as per Division III rules.   The Medical school gets the most attention.

[mark_reichert]

Mark can you direct us to a thread?  I've looked at the WIAC page, the UAA page, the Stevens Point Sectional page and the NCAA Tournament page and I haven't seen a single comment on the officials yet.

Page 56 of the UAA page.  A guy calling himself Hugenerd has been griping about the WashU-NYU game in St. Louis ever since it was played, even though he claims not to be an NYU fan.  His griping is as sore a point to me as the game seems to be to him.

Sorry to have brought this into the WIAC group.

I should have been more gracious in my appreciation that WashU getting only 14 fouls called and 30 FT attempts to Stevens Points 21 and 12 merits the statement "smart and controlled game".  Perhaps the difference is actually seeing the game.  Buf, I can't tell from the reply page, did you actually see the game?

[mark_reichert]

I just looked at the box score for the Stevens Point - WashU game.

I noticed something strange.  WashU is supposed to be the team with lack of depth but they gave significant time to 7 players,  Stevens Point only to 6.  Is this usual for Stevens Point?

[buf]

  Buf, I can't tell from the reply page, did you actually see the game?

No, listened to it and followed the live stats.

[buf]

I just looked at the box score for the Stevens Point - WashU game.

I noticed something strange.  WashU is supposed to be the team with lack of depth but they gave significant time to 7 players,  Stevens Point only to 6.  Is this usual for Stevens Point?

Point hasn't really been deep this year (as far as players getting minutes).  However, they did have a couple bench players out the last few games.  One with mono, and I think one had a foot injury.  These two players usually just played a few minutes each game.

[Greek Tragedy]

Point hasn't been deep all year, so it's not unusual.  The only player that consistently gets minutes is Drew Jackson.  Cory Krautkramer can come in and bang in the middle to give Krull a break, but they usually just rotate Drew Jackson.  All of Point's players, aside from Krull's power forward position, are interchangeable.  Jackson, a forward, has no problem bringing the ball up the floor.

Aside from a few things, Point really didn't do anything wrong in their loss.  The ball just didn't fall...sometimes that happens and you can't explain it.  There were countless open shots that usually go in that just didn't.  After watching the Hope/Washington U. game, I think Point might have done a better job defending Ruths.  Hope doubled and sometimes tripled Ruths when he got the ball.  It's a tough thing to do because Washington U. has some solid guard play that hit the outside shots, but Ruths killed us.

[badgerwarhawk]

The ball just didn't fall...sometimes that happens and you can't explain it. 

Yes you can.  It's called the law of averages.   Point was bound to shoot poorly sooner or later. 

[Stout survivor]

I think Drew Jackson a very good player and if he was in a system that pushed to ball more he would be a starter.  He could use his skills more in the offense now but seems to hold back passing up on oppertunities to take it to the rim and.  With Point having so many shooters it opens things up for someone like him to penetrate and score or draw a foul.

Very good role player though

Look out for Wooster in the tourny, played them last year and  they are a great team.

[mark_reichert]

  Buf, I can't tell from the reply page, did you actually see the game?

No, listened to it and followed the live stats.

Hmm.

Well, thanks for the compliments about the Bears play.

[David Collinge]

Look out for Wooster in the tourny, played them last year and  they are a great team.

After snubbing me on the 3-on-3 team selection, I'm at least glad that you're on my side in Salem, Survivor! 

[Ralph Turner]

Respectfully understood, Prof. Sager =)

Still, an endowment of 10-50 million is probably considerably more than those of state institutions. I have no scientific basis to prove this; but knowing what I know about the pitiful economic state of the UW system, I don't think it's quite that easy. There are plenty of other state schools in DIII (not many, I know, but the point is there) as well as plenty of private schools that can hang.

My advice to those private schoolers .... practice and get better ;-)

State schools have access to legislators who can provide monies at 1/20th the endowment value of the privates.

A good friend of mine is a former development officer at Prairie View A&M, the HBCU in the Texas A&M system.  A&M is dripping with monies, and PVA&M had never needed to consider endowments.  Only recently have the Engineering and Computer Sciences Departments at PVA&M begun to build their foundation to affect the changes that the alums and key individuals in the PV community want.

Another friend of mine is an officer of the Unviersity of Oklahoma Foundation.  His foundation is able to provide extra monies to OU.

One of the biggest movements in higher education is the development of Foundations that are out of the purview of Legislators, governors and political appointees.

[chmarx]

Haven't been here for a while.  Sorry to hear that Point lost.

[Gregory Sager]

Respectfully understood, Prof. Sager =)

Still, an endowment of 10-50 million is probably considerably more than those of state institutions.

Depends upon the state institution. Some have fairly large endowments; as per the list from Money magazine on the link provided by Mark Reichert, two of the top ten endowments among American colleges and universities belong to Cal-Berkeley and Michigan, while two others (Texas System and Texas A&M System) are for both the main campuses of the Lone Star State's two largest public university systems and their various branch campuses. Relevant to WIAC purposes, it should be noted that UW's flagship campus in Madison has a billion-dollar endowment. On the other hand, some public colleges and universities have very small endowments. Here's the endowments currently listed online for the nine WIAC schools:

UWEC	$25.2m
UWL	$13.1m
UWO	$0.35m
UWP	$2.7m
UWRF	n/a
UWSP	$12.6m
UWSt	n/a
UWSu	$6.4m
UWW	$11.8m

These are all on the small side for D3; in fact, UW-Oshkosh's and UW-Platteville's endowments are practically nonexistent. However, since all nine WIAC schools get their money for both operating expenses and capital improvements straight from the taxpayers of the state of Wisconsin, comparing the size of their endowments to those of their D3 private-school peers is an exercise in comparing apples and oranges. Also, as Ralph pointed out, there are non-profits set up for many, many public colleges and universities whose coffers fulfill many of the same functions as an endowment fund without the direct oversight of the school administration being involved.

As far as I know, the Athletic department is given no special treatment over other departments as per Division III rules.   The Medical school gets the most attention.

I wasn't implying otherwise. Speaking as someone who has attended U of C basketball games for many years, I've never been under the impression that the UAA schools showered their athletic departments in money. I was simply saying that Wash U, like its conference brethren, starts out with a vastly larger resource base from whence their athletic department's budget is derived. Also, "special treatment" is a relative term. It's not a coincidence that the UAA is a plane conference, as opposed to the D3 commonplace of bus-and-van conferences. The vast wealth of the UAA schools is what makes the very existence of their conference possible in the first place.