MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[chmarx]

Belated congratulations to Stout on breaking through Wednesday night.

[Cody-1-Kastern]

Old News...

Cubs,

Here's my logic....Jason Kalsow is a very good player, but I don't know he was in the top 5.  He had a great run in 2003-2004, most of all he lead the Pointers to the Title and hit the Game Winner in the Title game that year.  That's why he is the POY; However, I don't know that he was better individually than the 5 I had posted. 

I think you would want Kalsow's INDIVIDUAL 2004-2005 statistics included.

1st in scoring (19.1)
2nd in rebounding (7.4)
1st in assists (4.44)
4th in FG%
10th in FT%
12th in steals
1st in 3FG% (ok, he "only" took 89)  Nick Bennett took 194.
4th in blocked shots
2nd in assist/turnover ratio

Kevin Martin (SAC) is currently 6th in the NBA in Scoring,..... ahead of Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Amare Stoudemire, Tony Parker, Dirk Nowitzki, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming.  I don't think anyone would say that Kevin Martin is better than anyone of those players, so STATS don't mean a whole lot to me.

But since we like states so much...Career Points per game.
22.94    Melzer, Rich (2363 points, 103 gp); UW-River Falls 2000-04
19.98    Thomas, Vince (999 points, 50 gp); UW-Superior 1999-01
19.60    Carstensen, Sherm (1215 points, 62 gp); UW-Eau Claire 1999-01
15.36    Kalsow, Jason (1859 points, 121 gp); UW-Stevens Point 2001-05

Also....I think your miss-understanding what I said. 
Player of the Year: (2003-2004) For throwing the team on his back and leading them to the National Championship.  Jason Kalsow.

[Greek Tragedy]

Sure, stats don't mean everything and yeah, he made the GW shot in the National Championship game and all that...but, it's not like I just listed his scoring average.  He was BY FAR the best all-around player in the LEAGUE and was also named Player of the Year in D3 the following year you picked him.  And all because he didn't hit the game winning shot in their 2nd National Championship doesn't mean he wasn't a big part of that season.

He was so much more than a scorer and to think otherwise is to sell him short.

[Cody-1-Kastern]

He was a great all-around player, thats for sure.

UW-Superior Basketball fans RollerCoaster.


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[bulk19]

Kalsow - no doubt the best overall player in the WIAC during his tenure at UWSP -especially his last two seasons... No doubt he'd be my first pick...

He was a force, was able to take the team on his back, and they won two titles because he was there... He may not have had the highest, best stats overall, compared to others, but that's because he had teammates in other areas who took over in those aspects - Bennett for scoring; a few others - Point Special, Maus on boards; Relerford on assists.... etc... He played his role in a Pointer system that emphasized defense and team play, and won two titles in that program...

Kalsow just did everything, and got the loose change when they others weren't able to do so... Underated as an assist man, too, despite being tops in that category; one of the best passers this conference has seen in a long, long while...

Top 5 overall for that time period,  and arguably top 10 ever, for as long as I've been watching this conference...

[Mr. Downtown]

Deja Vu for Pointer Fans.

Oshkosh 73
Point     61

Very similar to Oshkosh's win at Point. Hicklin was ice cold shooting, and Pete Rortvedt never saw the court.

While the men's victory was impressive, everyone in Oshkosh is still talking about the Women's upset.

Not a good road trip for Point today.

[OshDude]

Without Pete Rortvedt, Stevens Point is an average WIAC team.

It wasn't even a contest, really. Point never really threatened in the second half, and I don't think Point ever led. It wasn't like better shooting would have done much, IMO. Both teams came out on fire for the first 10. Maybe Hicklin missed a few 3s that I've gotten used to him hitting. Other than that it was a woodshed job by UWO tonight. I think the Titans played better in every phase of the game, from coaching and energy on down to free throw shooting and boxing out.

Greg Schrimpf wasn't shy tonight. Nice to see him confident on the catch-and-shoot. Schrimpf caught my eye during pregame, hitting 3 after 3. He kept it going when it counted.

Point ran the ole D whenever DJ got a dude on his hip. Nothing rare there. DJ is a headache for everyone. And there's no answer for Miller when he hits 28-footers with 15 left on the shot clock.

My Player of the Game was Jordan Johnson. He was everywhere – offensive glass, defensive glass, perimeter D, post D, midrange jumpers, attacking the rim ... I think he cemented his place on the all-WIAC First Team tonight.

I was impressed with Hurd, though. That guy's a keeper. Hurd reminds me of Jon Krull in his freshman year. High praise, but I think it's true.

El Amin also broke his usual quota of ankles. He's fun to watch in open space when he changes gears.

My final thought is Pete Rortvedt better play pretty soon or Point will be on the wrong end of the 4/5 WIAC tournament game. Maybe an exaggeration (they probably won't slip past the No. 4 seed), but I really think they're that mediocre in WIAC terms without him.

[John Gleich]

Maybe Hicklin missed a few 3s that I've gotten used to him hitting. Other than that it was a woodshed job by UWO tonight.

A few...?  Hicks was 1-11 tonight from 3! 

I wasn't there, just listened to the second hafl because I had to work.  Point seems to have a hard time shooting well against Oshkosh.  I think it has a lot to do with a lack of aggressiveness off the dribble though... Point shot 6 FT's to Oshy's 17, and UW Zero out rebounded SP 37-22. 

I hate to see what happened at the end of the first half, too.  Point had the ball for the last shot.  They took the shot with SIX second left... and missed, leaving Oshkosh time to not only take a three, but to get the rebound and putback.

I have no idea why this happens.  This should NEVER happen.  If you're holding for the last shot, then your shot should be the only one POSSIBLE!  Take it with 1 or 2 seconds left.  It would be better to NOT take a shot and be down 3 than to take one, miss and allow your opponent the opportunity of what will probably be a fast-break attempt of some point.

And I agree, Point misses Pete Rortvedt.  He hyperextended his GOOD knee on Wednesday.  Point gets so much more than points from him.  His grit and determination and WILL helps to pick everyone else up.  He ends up on the floor a ton, diving for balls and just sticking his nose in there.  I love to see that!

And I agree that Krull is very much like a young Jon Krull.  They're built about the same and have very similar moves (and they look similar too!). 

[OshDude]

Maybe Hicklin missed a few 3s that I've gotten used to him hitting. Other than that it was a woodshed job by UWO tonight.

A few...?  Hicks was 1-11 tonight from 3! 

All but maybe three of those were very contested or from 4-point land. But those three or so wide-open looks are usually money. I'll give you that. You could say those nine points made a huge difference because of the final score, but while watching the game it certainly didn't feel like anything Point did was going to win it for them in the second half. No problem if anyone else thinks otherwise. It just had the feel of an easy victory.

It wasn't a normal 1-11 from 3. UWO switched on almost every perimeter screen, making the Point looks from 3, especially Hicklin's, pretty difficult ones.

[Mr. Downtown]

Sorry about my recap, kinda tired after calling two game tonight.

Point is so nonchalant compared to Oshkosh on the boards. The Titans had 12 Offensive rebounds compared to Point's 13 defensive rebounds. It was seriously a flip of the coin who was going get the rebound when Oshkosh missed. Not good for Point.

Second, Oshkosh made a great adjustment from the Eau Claire game. When teams hedge Matt Miller off the screens from Jordan Johnson, they always leave him open, but Johnson didn't do anything with it against the Blugolds. Today, he drove to the basket to make something out if it. That's key, because all of a sudden team's are dragged to the hoop, possibly leaving Greg Schrimpf open for three, or if Johnson can't get the bucket, then either DSA or Marsh is there to help out on the Offensive rebounds. Johnson can score, and today he did.

I will say that Point has one of the better Coaching combo's for Women's and Men's BBall, but tonight was not one for the resume. Everytime I took a look at Semling, he was chewing off the Referee's ear. Both team's got away with mis-calls in the game, it happens, but I'm sure it doesn't help your cause as a coach if you are always harassing them. Also, it's not good WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF TIME OUTS WITH 6:55 REMAINING!!!

I honestly believe that Oshkosh has yet to see Stevens Point at their full strength, but with two knee injuries to Rortvedt, will he ever be 100% this season? And because of that, will Point ever be at full strength??

This was good for Oshkosh's psyche, but the celebration pretty much has to stop tonight. Platteville is killing Stout, and Skemp has taken only two shots at halftime. Wednesday night should be a great one.

Oh, and Pat, of course you're right. With 4 team's so far in the top 10 suffering a loss this week, it does look like a 6 loss region team does have a better chance of making to the dance.

[John Gleich]

And another thing...  Point has several guys who can block shots... they had 5 tonight, one each by Beamish, Wotachek, Hurd, Jackson, and Hoelzel.  It's great to block a shot now and again... but what happens to the ball after you block it?  Does it fall into the hands of the offensive player who's crashing the boards and hasn't been blocked out?  I totally agree with what you said about Point's blockouts Oshdude.  They're not 7 footers and though they may think they're athletic, they're not any MORE athletic than a team like Oshkosh (who's bigger and who crashes HARD).  Versus a team like Oshkosh, you've got to rely on fundamentals MORE not less.  By and large, offensive rebounding is based lots on athleticism, some on saavy, and a bit on luck.  Defensive rebounding is about positioning, fundamentals (boxing out) and HEART.  It's about one team deciding they're going to force a tough shot and making sure that their opponent gets only that ONE chance. 

Oshosh had 12 defensive rebounds.  Point had 13!  When (seemingly) you've got the inside position, it should be much easier to get the rebound than if you're on offense!  A 50% rebound percentage on the defensive end isn't top 10 team material.

Maybe Hicklin missed a few 3s that I've gotten used to him hitting. Other than that it was a woodshed job by UWO tonight.

A few...?  Hicks was 1-11 tonight from 3! 

All but maybe three of those were very contested or from 4-point land. But those three or so wide-open looks are usually money. I'll give you that. You could say those nine points made a huge difference because of the final score, but while watching the game it certainly didn't feel like anything Point did was going to win it for them in the second half. No problem if anyone else thinks otherwise. It just had the feel of an easy victory.

It wasn't a normal 1-11 from 3. UWO switched on almost every perimeter screen, making the Point looks from 3, especially Hicklin's, pretty difficult ones.

And that's where Point misses their inside presence.  If Oshkosh is switching every perimeter screen, then they've got at least two guys extended... which should open up the middle.  46.5% of the shots Point took were from beyond the arc.  Doesn't sound like Point is pounding it inside.

And the thing is, Point took 9 more shots.  Now part of that had to do with the fact that Oshkosh had 17 FT's.  This was on 13 Point fouls.  They had 12 steals and only turned the ball over 6 times... and still lost by 12.  Something's wrong there.

That, too, is a large percentage of foul shots for each foul.  And if Oshkosh is only going to decide to miss one, then maybe it's better off to just play good defense and get in position to rebound than to try to block the shot and get the foul called.

[OshDude]

Maybe Hicklin missed a few 3s that I've gotten used to him hitting. Other than that it was a woodshed job by UWO tonight.

A few...?  Hicks was 1-11 tonight from 3! 

All but maybe three of those were very contested or from 4-point land. But those three or so wide-open looks are usually money. I'll give you that. You could say those nine points made a huge difference because of the final score, but while watching the game it certainly didn't feel like anything Point did was going to win it for them in the second half. No problem if anyone else thinks otherwise. It just had the feel of an easy victory.

It wasn't a normal 1-11 from 3. UWO switched on almost every perimeter screen, making the Point looks from 3, especially Hicklin's, pretty difficult ones.

And that's where Point misses their inside presence.  If Oshkosh is switching every perimeter screen, then they've got at least two guys extended... which should open up the middle.  46.5% of the shots Point took were from beyond the arc.  Doesn't sound like Point is pounding it inside.

And the thing is, Point took 9 more shots.  Now part of that had to do with the fact that Oshkosh had 17 FT's.  This was on 13 Point fouls.  They had 12 steals and only turned the ball over 6 times... and still lost by 12.  Something's wrong there.

That, too, is a large percentage of foul shots for each foul.  And if Oshkosh is only going to decide to miss one, then maybe it's better off to just play good defense and get in position to rebound than to try to block the shot and get the foul called.
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There were a few times when Schrimpf got caught guarding Wotachek or Jackson because of the switches, but not nearly often enough. TVD outfoxed Semling pretty good tonight, IMO.

[Mr. Downtown]

La Crosse wins at Zorn, 72-65. Beyer had 25 for EC. Mane 21 for LAX.

[janesvillebb]

WW 86 Sup 55

Real story will be the fallout from this one. Buchanan ejected ---   Hill         ejected.    Sup was out of control.
WW announcers said they were disapointed to hear the comments from Sups bench during play. Miller, in post game said Sup coaches were calling for their players to "just knock them down" also said there were several cheap shots taken. Miller said " I guess that's what they do up here"

SUP looked like a freshman intramural team. Not a good one at that. King for WW did not suit up.

WW wins by 31 while missing 20 ft's

[Mr. Downtown]

Sounds like the Superior of old came back out this afternoon.