MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[ScheckDiesel]

So, at the WW game, Eau Claire came out of the time out with only 4 guys on the floor, then in the middle of the play, a player ran out onto the court to make 5, and the refs completely missed it... Miller called a TO, and talked the refs... and nothing was called... whats the correct ruling???

[Drake Palmer]

Stoutguy- or anyone else from the area.

When did Eric Hostetter join UW-Stout?  I saw him play high school/AAU ball in MN & he was a tough, hard-nosed larger, 6-4 PG.  Potentially, I think Hostetter could develop into a very tough college basketball player as he has a good skill base and a great feel for the game.  I also see that Stout has him listed as a FY.  He must have sat out a portion of his FY year at Winona State as he graduated 2 years ago in 06.  Now, if Stout could pick up a few more quality recruits, they could accelerate their rebuilding process for next season?

Hostetter joined the club at semester break.  I like him too.  He has a pretty quick shooting trigger so I don't know how that will all sort out this year as we only use one ball in this league and our team has had a bit of a problem with the "no I in team" concept.  I hope he has a good experience as Ed had to work pretty hard to get him out.   When he first got here, he wasn't sure if he wanted to play.  If we could get Kraft (another Winona departure) to give up that baseball thing, it would make a pretty nice start to a new beginning at Stout.

>>I like him too.  He has a pretty quick shooting trigger so I don't know how that will all sort out this year as we only use one ball in this league and our team has had a bit of a problem with the "no I in team" concept.<<

From my limited encounters with Hostetter & watching him play, I think he'll be alright provided the "illness" isn't contagious.  He's always been the type of player that got everyone involved.  But, certain MN players on your team have had a long history of being afflicted with that peculiar shooter's malady. 

[stoutguy]

Stoutguy- or anyone else from the area.

When did Eric Hostetter join UW-Stout?  I saw him play high school/AAU ball in MN & he was a tough, hard-nosed larger, 6-4 PG.  Potentially, I think Hostetter could develop into a very tough college basketball player as he has a good skill base and a great feel for the game.  I also see that Stout has him listed as a FY.  He must have sat out a portion of his FY year at Winona State as he graduated 2 years ago in 06.  Now, if Stout could pick up a few more quality recruits, they could accelerate their rebuilding process for next season?

Hostetter joined the club at semester break.  I like him too.  He has a pretty quick shooting trigger so I don't know how that will all sort out this year as we only use one ball in this league and our team has had a bit of a problem with the "no I in team" concept.  I hope he has a good experience as Ed had to work pretty hard to get him out.   When he first got here, he wasn't sure if he wanted to play.  If we could get Kraft (another Winona departure) to give up that baseball thing, it would make a pretty nice start to a new beginning at Stout.

>>I like him too.  He has a pretty quick shooting trigger so I don't know how that will all sort out this year as we only use one ball in this league and our team has had a bit of a problem with the "no I in team" concept.<<

From my limited encounters with Hostetter & watching him play, I think he'll be alright provided the "illness" isn't contagious.  He's always been the type of player that got everyone involved.  But, certain MN players on your team have had a long history of being afflicted with that peculiar shooter's malady. 

Let's see, do the names Dre, Alex, Jerrel, Brandon, or MILES mean anything to you, Drake?

[Drake Palmer]

Stoutguy- or anyone else from the area.

When did Eric Hostetter join UW-Stout?  I saw him play high school/AAU ball in MN & he was a tough, hard-nosed larger, 6-4 PG.  Potentially, I think Hostetter could develop into a very tough college basketball player as he has a good skill base and a great feel for the game.  I also see that Stout has him listed as a FY.  He must have sat out a portion of his FY year at Winona State as he graduated 2 years ago in 06.  Now, if Stout could pick up a few more quality recruits, they could accelerate their rebuilding process for next season?

Hostetter joined the club at semester break.  I like him too.  He has a pretty quick shooting trigger so I don't know how that will all sort out this year as we only use one ball in this league and our team has had a bit of a problem with the "no I in team" concept.  I hope he has a good experience as Ed had to work pretty hard to get him out.   When he first got here, he wasn't sure if he wanted to play.  If we could get Kraft (another Winona departure) to give up that baseball thing, it would make a pretty nice start to a new beginning at Stout.

>>I like him too.  He has a pretty quick shooting trigger so I don't know how that will all sort out this year as we only use one ball in this league and our team has had a bit of a problem with the "no I in team" concept.<<

From my limited encounters with Hostetter & watching him play, I think he'll be alright provided the "illness" isn't contagious.  He's always been the type of player that got everyone involved.  But, certain MN players on your team have had a long history of being afflicted with that peculiar shooter's malady. 

Let's see, do the names Dre, Alex, Jerrel, Brandon, or MILES mean anything to you, Drake?

Yup - I saw them all yesterday.  After 4 schools in 4 years - I think the illness is now incurable. Since 5th grade travelling ball on up through AAU & HS its been the same.   He was on arguably one of the best AAU teams ever assembled in MN with Spencer Tollackson at the U of MN, former Marquette player Ryan Amoroso, & Concordia St. Paul starting PG - Matt Cadwell.    Edit: I forgot _ I think Eric Heisler was on that AAU team as well.  Miles had to be properly logged on the right player or the team would bog down. 

[stoutguy]

One of the things that I respect so much about Eddie Andrist is his candid conversation with me over the years.  Yesterday on our morning show he told me that one of the mistakes he has made in his recent recruiting is not looking for that "role" player to make his team play like a team.  He told me he plans to change that and I believe he will.

[uwm/uww]

So, at the WW game, Eau Claire came out of the time out with only 4 guys on the floor, then in the middle of the play, a player ran out onto the court to make 5, and the refs completely missed it... Miller called a TO, and talked the refs... and nothing was called... whats the correct ruling???

From what I understood at the game, the refs told Miller that they didn't see the 4 players or the player come off the bench. So a no call was the right call. How they missed the whole thing baffels me but then again I can count to 3 for a 3 second call. A similar situation happened at the UWW/ PLT game a few years ago. PLT had called a time out and made a sub during the time out but all 6 players went out on the court. PLT inbounded the ball and made it to half court before the 6th player ran off. The refs didn't see that one either and another no call. The UWW fans got all over the refs after that and the refs got payback by calling a lot of fouls against the UWW team. I for 1 kept my mouth shut on Sat. I am trainable.

[John Gleich]

So, at the WW game, Eau Claire came out of the time out with only 4 guys on the floor, then in the middle of the play, a player ran out onto the court to make 5, and the refs completely missed it... Miller called a TO, and talked the refs... and nothing was called... whats the correct ruling???

From what I understood at the game, the refs told Miller that they didn't see the 4 players or the player come off the bench. So a no call was the right call. How they missed the whole thing baffels me but then again I can count to 3 for a 3 second call. A similar situation happened at the UWW/ PLT game a few years ago. PLT had called a time out and made a sub during the time out but all 6 players went out on the court. PLT inbounded the ball and made it to half court before the 6th player ran off. The refs didn't see that one either and another no call. The UWW fans got all over the refs after that and the refs got payback by calling a lot of fouls against the UWW team. I for 1 kept my mouth shut on Sat. I am trainable.

The same thing happened at the UWSP @ Gustavus Adolphus game in the second round of the 03-04 playoffs.  The refs were none-the-wiser, and Point scored.  Then GAC went and attempted a shot before they brought it to the ref's attention... the play stood (and, truly, didn't have that much impact...  though Point scored on the possession, they likely would have scored running the play they ran in that set anyway, due to a mismatch caused by a switch).

RE: Oshkosh

Over the last three years, the team has had tremendous potential, athleticism, and talent, and they've played some amazing games at times... but the team has the ability to simply disappear (Defiance? Losing 3/6 to end 2007?  Losing 5/7 to end the year in 2006?)  And this year, losing 6/13.  This team, which has shown the ability to play great games this year is bordering on the edge of an at large... if they're lucky.  They'll have 7 losses, at least, if they're Pool C eligible.  Wait, check that, it would be 6 in-region losses because Defiance was out of region, but so were the two Finlandia games and the Tri-State game... They're currently 11-5 in-region... if they got to, say, the WIAC final and lost, they'd be 18-6.  Is that good enough?  I'm not so sure, even with the extra bids from a couple of years ago.

Looking at the other WIAC contenders... One of Platte's wins and losses is out of region, so they're currently 14-3.  If they get to the WIAC final and lose, they'd be 21-4... that looks GREAT (one game against RM-S isn't in-region).  Whitewater is 14-3 in-region.  They would be 22-4 should they get to the WIAC final and lose.  Point is 13-4, losing in the WIAC finals would 21-5, which is borderline.  Noone else is close.

And I'm not even going to talk about the implications with the regular season championships with these scenarios... Actually, it isn't tough... if any of the top 4 wins out, they win conference... I don't know if it's shared or alone... probably depends on what happens with everything else, but...

[Greek Tragedy]

Well, not much to report from Whitewater.  I was thoroughly disappointed with Eau Claire's effort for the most part.  They played tough for 11 minutes of the first half and it was tied 21-21 at the 9 minute mark.  After that, the wheels fell off and Whitewater went on a huge run to take a comfortable 40-27 lead.  It wasn't a case of Whitewater's stifling defense, rather the Blugolds inability to protect the ball, if that makes any sense.  In tennis, there are UNFORCED errors and Eau Claire had a lot of those.  Just errant passes and lazy passes.  In the 2nd half, it was a snoozer for basically the entire last 20 minutes.  Eau Claire put together a nice little spurt when they were down 23 and cut it to 13.  They went to a full court press and it was effective.  They had a chance to cut it to 12, but Beyer missed his 2nd free throw.  Another chance to cut it to 10 when Whitewater turned the ball over, but Eau Claire returned the favor and it was lights out from there.  Eau Claire just didn't have enough horses for this race.

Beyer really was the only one who seemed to care.  Probst started out well but faded pretty fast while Shea coughed it up 6 times.  Zach Ryan didn't play because of an infection, so not sure how much that would've helped or not.  Whitewater didn't skip a beat without Perry.  Vernon has done well to take Perry's spot, while Koski had a decent game, except from the free throw line.  Whitewater really attacked the slower Eau Claire team, so there isn't anything fishy with the Warhawks going to the line a million times (just 25 for 43).  I'm really surprised WW only outrebounded EC by 6...like always, it seemed like WW was around the basket constantly.  Nothing special from Goodwin this time around, but he wasn't needed too much.

For the record, I attended this game instead of the Double Over-Time thriller up in Appleton where Carroll upset Lawrence (including a 40-ft shot at the buzzer to force the first OT)...   I was expecting Eau Claire to show up, they didn't, and I regret that I did.

[Mr. Downtown]

Just a quick second to break away from the WIAC...

What a Super Bowl!?!?! 

[titansrus]

Actually Mr. Downtown, more like what a 4th quarter.

The rest of the game was pretty boring. Except for maybe the 1st quarter.

[Greek Tragedy]

Yeah, I'm happy.  It was a good hard-fought game.  Just because it wasn't 37-34 didn't mean it wasn't exciting when the teams didn't score. 

Best STARTING 5, IMO

Oshkosh
Platteville
Stevens Point
Whitewater

[OshDude]

I watched Oshkosh for the 2nd time yesterday and thought they looked pretty darn solid.  Miller was awesome, Marsh took over in the 2nd half, and their post guys were pretty decent, I thought.  Had an interesting conversation with Bob Burnell (WOSH) radio guy.  He said that this Oshkosh team was one that was always just setting up Oshkosh folks for the next disappointment.  I tend to think the same thing.  They are capable of winning the whole thing but you just don't get the feeling that it is going to happen.  Regarding the "big four", Ed Andrist told me that he thought that WW had the most talent, Platteville had the best team, and that he rated Oshkosh third and SP 4th if he were asked to rank them. 

Agreed. I don't think UWO wins the whole thing. If the championship went through Oshkosh (or Point  ) I think UWO would have a shot. I like Platteville, no matter where it all goes down.

And Andrist could be correct. Allowing for a bit of homerism, I think a case could be made for any of his top three in terms of talent and all four in terms of "best team."

With Perry UWW has by far the best collection of athletes. Andrist may be correct in that Platteville is the best team and does not have the best talent. A close call any way you look at it.

RE: Oshkosh

Over the last three years, the team has had tremendous potential, athleticism, and talent, and they've played some amazing games at times... but the team has the ability to simply disappear (Defiance? Losing 3/6 to end 2007?  Losing 5/7 to end the year in 2006?)  And this year, losing 6/13.  This team, which has shown the ability to play great games this year is bordering on the edge of an at large... if they're lucky.  They'll have 7 losses, at least, if they're Pool C eligible.  Wait, check that, it would be 6 in-region losses because Defiance was out of region, but so were the two Finlandia games and the Tri-State game... They're currently 11-5 in-region... if they got to, say, the WIAC final and lost, they'd be 18-6.  Is that good enough?  I'm not so sure, even with the extra bids from a couple of years ago.

Looking at the other WIAC contenders... One of Platte's wins and losses is out of region, so they're currently 14-3.  If they get to the WIAC final and lose, they'd be 21-4... that looks GREAT (one game against RM-S isn't in-region).  Whitewater is 14-3 in-region.  They would be 22-4 should they get to the WIAC final and lose.  Point is 13-4, losing in the WIAC finals would 21-5, which is borderline.  Noone else is close.

And I'm not even going to talk about the implications with the regular season championships with these scenarios... Actually, it isn't tough... if any of the top 4 wins out, they win conference... I don't know if it's shared or alone... probably depends on what happens with everything else, but...

Amen on Oshkosh. Intriguing and frustrating team over the past few classes of recruits.

Anyone seeing a potential repeat of last year's selections? If UWSP and UWO are somehow the No. 2/3 seeds in the WIAC tourney and don't win it, it looks a lot like UWO/LAX from last year.

Of course a lot depends on the rest of the nation and either UWW or UWP stumbling, but this is starting to look familiar.

[Greek Tragedy]

Just to sandbag the Pointers.  They have 6 games left and I think all 6 could be tough...why you say?

They host Stout on Wednesday.  Stout nearly beat them up there (escapting with a 6-pt. win) and they did have their crowd and all that.  It was a close game and we struggled containing Miles Webb.  We'll have the home crowd this time, but you never know.

Point heads to Superior where it's always tough to play because of the traveling.  Hill lit us up in Point (though we won easily), and if they play like Stout played at home, I'll be on the edge of my seat.

Next up is a trip to Eau Claire, a place that Oshkosh and Platteville have lost.  They also lost to Whitewater by just 6.  They obviously get up for the big boys at home.

Whitewater already beat us and it's obvious they don't miss Rob Perry.  That will help us defensively, but we still have to stop Goodwin.

La Crosse comes into town and though they shouldn't be too much of a problem, I think they are a different team with Brandon Brown back.

A trip to Platteville may be a title decider.  We won a hard fought game here at Quandt and all of it may be on the line on Feb. 23rd, the last day of the conference season.

At least we don't have to play Oshkosh again, until possibly the WIAC tourney.

[chmarx]

I was impressed with Superior Saturday.  They have some size, and a lot of young talent.  One of those teams that can surprise someone.

And La Crosse is playing much better.  Either the return of Brandon Brown, or the team getting fired up after Koebl's suspension.

[Greek Tragedy]

BIG 4

Platteville (9-2); Swept Osh, won at WW, lost at SP, hosts WW & hosts SP

Record Against Other 3:  3-1; 2 H remaining

Whitewater (9-2); Beat SP, lost to Osh, lost to PL, hosts Osh, travels to PL, travels to SP

Record Against Other 3:  1-2; 1 H, 2 A remaining

Oshkosh (8-3); Swept SP, beat WW, Swept by PL, travels to WW

Record Against Other 3:  3-2; 1 A remaining

Stevens Point (7-3); beat PL,, Swept by Osh, lost at WW, hosts WW, travels to PL

Record Against Other 3: 1-3; 1 H, 1 A remaining