MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

LCfan · March 05, 2008, 08:30:46 AM

Mr. Sager,

Not trying to offend you are call you out, but what is your highest level of playing sports? And which sport(s) where you successful at? I think that having played a sport at a High level (I had a D1 scholarship to Bucknell but chose to play football) would make an opinion more reliable. The only way I would agree with you about shooting is if someone is quick; however, I would say that most people (especially in DIII) dont create their own shot; that being said I stand by my point that shooting is shooting.

I sure hope NP gets a win next year (just not against my titans)

janesvilleflash · March 05, 2008, 08:35:19 AM

Being successful at sports is one thing. Being smart is another. Whatever athletic prowess Mr. Sager has had, he certainly can spell better than you.

By the way, that ranks as the dumbest post of the year so far, congratulations.

LCfan · March 05, 2008, 08:42:52 AM

And which words were you referring to? I cant seem to find one but would appreciate your assistance so that I can sound smarter.

Nites · March 05, 2008, 08:44:38 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2008, 12:00:25 AM
Chaminade beat Virginia, not Georgetown.

Senior moment, thanks for the correction Pat. Must have confused big man Sampson for big man Ewing. If I recall correctly, Chaminade was an NAIA school and UVA was ranked No. 1 at the time.

janesvilleflash · March 05, 2008, 08:50:11 AM

And which sport(s) WHERE you successful at?

Guess you are right, technically, there are no words misspelled. Sorry.

LCfan · March 05, 2008, 09:25:05 AM

You are correct! Thanks Janesville!

badgerwarhawk · March 05, 2008, 09:27:23 AM

Nobody here is overlooking Loras. They took it to us last year (or maybe it was the year before) on a neutral court by drilling one three-pointer after another. It was pretty ugly as I recall. We haven't forgotten that.

Perhaps neither Goodwin or McKay's three-point percentages are dazzling but here's the thing. They are good enough to force you to step out and defend them and when that happens you had better be quick because, off the dribble, both of them are and they can get to the basket. And if you don't step out and give them good looks from beyond the arch they will hurt you.

LCfan · March 05, 2008, 09:40:58 AM

Badger it was two years ago at North Central (Naperville, IL) and Loras won by 2 points. Can anyone fill me in on tickets? If I wanted to watch the first game do I need to buy two tickets or if I am there for the first one can I stay for the Loras/UWW game w/o buying a new ticket?

Just Bill · March 05, 2008, 09:50:29 AM

Quote from: LCfan on March 05, 2008, 08:30:46 AM
Mr. Sager,

Not trying to offend you are call you out, but what is your highest level of playing sports? And which sport(s) where you successful at? I think that having played a sport at a High level (I had a D1 scholarship to Bucknell but chose to play football) would make an opinion more reliable. The only way I would agree with you about shooting is if someone is quick; however, I would say that most people (especially in DIII) dont create their own shot; that being said I stand by my point that shooting is shooting.

I sure hope NP gets a win next year (just not against my titans)

Clearly you haven't been around here very long if you're going to try and compare basketball IQ's with Sager. If you think the fact that you almost played Division I basketball makes you an expert, I've got a head coaching position at Mount Senario College that I'd like to hire you for.

P.S. And Sager is right. If quality of defense didn't affect shooting percentages, they why bother working on defense at all.

LCfan · March 05, 2008, 09:55:42 AM

I wasn't trying to compare IQ's at all. I have read Mr. Sager's posts on the CCIW board for the last 6 years. I was just trying to say that playing experience, especially recently should add to the posters comment. If you want to take it any other way that is completely your call.

voice · March 05, 2008, 10:04:14 AM

Tickets CAN be purchased in advance for this weekend's Friday-Saturday NCAA Men's Playoff games at UW-Whitewater
Ticket Prices:
$6.00 Adults, General Admission
$3.00 Senior Citizens/Students with college ID/Children
To purchase tickets contact the ticket office at (262) 472-2222 or stop by the University Center ticket office.
Tickets can be reserved and can be purchased on game day at the Williams Center ticket office located right outside of the Kachel gymnasium. The WC ticket office will be open at 4:30 PM on Friday and 5:30PM on Saturday.
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badgerwarhawk · March 05, 2008, 10:10:11 AM

I'm pretty sure you'd only need one ticket to watch both games, LCfan.

Nites · March 05, 2008, 10:13:07 AM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2008, 03:23:39 AM
Quote from: LCfan on March 05, 2008, 02:25:46 AM
Sager, while I hate to disagree with a fellow CCIW; shooting is shooting, either you can or you can't. Having played competitive bball, I think that shooting is one stat that is fairly reliable across the board (i know you are a stat man so I dont have any regressions to the mean or anything like that, just my opinion from playing).

I strenuously disagree. Shooting is not the same irrespective of the opponent. Some opponents are quicker than others, and are thus harder to shake in order to get yourself an open look. Some are smarter than others and know which hand you favor, or what move you favor. Some have both the quicks and the smarts, and are adept at recovering when the defense rotates. Some have enough size to impede your shots, whereas you may be used to shooting over the top of a smaller team. Some are more physical than others, and know how much they can harrass you and get away with it.

Shooting is just like every other component of basketball, in that your success at it is contingent upon what sort of an opponent you have.

Apparently, if you shoot 41% in D-III, you can shoot 41% in the NBA. Shooting is shooting.

LCfan · March 05, 2008, 10:16:35 AM

Apparently, if you shoot 41% in D-III, you can shoot 41% in the NBA. Shooting is shooting (plus the extra 4 feet at the NBA level). And all things are relative.

Thanks Badger.

LCfan · March 05, 2008, 10:19:00 AM

Quote from: Nites on March 05, 2008, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2008, 03:23:39 AM
Quote from: LCfan on March 05, 2008, 02:25:46 AM
Sager, while I hate to disagree with a fellow CCIW; shooting is shooting, either you can or you can't. Having played competitive bball, I think that shooting is one stat that is fairly reliable across the board (i know you are a stat man so I dont have any regressions to the mean or anything like that, just my opinion from playing).

I strenuously disagree. Shooting is not the same irrespective of the opponent. Some opponents are quicker than others, and are thus harder to shake in order to get yourself an open look. Some are smarter than others and know which hand you favor, or what move you favor. Some have both the quicks and the smarts, and are adept at recovering when the defense rotates. Some have enough size to impede your shots, whereas you may be used to shooting over the top of a smaller team. Some are more physical than others, and know how much they can harrass you and get away with it.

Shooting is just like every other component of basketball, in that your success at it is contingent upon what sort of an opponent you have.

Apparently, if you shoot 41% in D-III, you can shoot 41% in the NBA. Shooting is shooting.

Well minus the fact that it is about 4 feet deeper I would say all things being relative, yes