MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[janesvilleflash]

I'm sure they will go after Stoutguy, but he's too busy leading the lifestyle of the rich and famous.

[chmarx]

I wonder if they know I'm available? 

[badgerwarhawk]

Eddie,

My 4th, 5th and 6th grade teams won three consecutive WHITEWATER Kawana's (sp?) Club league championships.  I'm your guy. 

[petemcb]

Very good article, PS.  Thanks for the link.

I think it correlates VERY well with the DIII vs. DII question.  We would have to spend MUCH more money to be competitive in DII. 

Besides, my understanding is that part of the merger law requires former WSU schools to not offer athletic scholarships.

However, that doesn't preclude them from offering in-state tuition to out-of-state residents at their discretion, does it?

[John Gleich]

Very good article, PS.  Thanks for the link.

I think it correlates VERY well with the DIII vs. DII question.  We would have to spend MUCH more money to be competitive in DII. 

Besides, my understanding is that part of the merger law requires former WSU schools to not offer athletic scholarships.

However, that doesn't preclude them from offering in-state tuition to out-of-state residents at their discretion, does it?

Superior already does this, and certain schools have reciprocity with certain states, I think.  Still, though, whether it's in-state tuition or out-of-state tuition, it's still tuition... In terms of choosing between D-II options, with all other factors being equal (not necessarily a given), a full scholarship is going to be better than tuition.

For all the success the WIAC has had, they still don't have D-II type facilities.  I don't know about other WIAC schools, but Point doesn't have athletes-only weight room facilities, though, they do get a preference.  Maybe this does exist at other WIAC schools, but I dunno.

At Michigan Tech, who often competes with the WIAC's now for sports like basketball, they have 3 athletes-only weight rooms.  One of them is mainly for the D-I hockey program, one is mainly for football, and the other sports share the third, but the facilities are there.

[stoutguy]

I'm sure they will go after Stoutguy, but he's too busy leading the lifestyle of the rich and famous.

I don't really think they will come after me.  Eddie saw the tape of me getting a technical with 5 seconds left in a tournament game when my team was leading by a point.  He already tried Gardow.  He doesn't need our kind.

[chmarx]

Very good article, PS.  Thanks for the link.

I think it correlates VERY well with the DIII vs. DII question.  We would have to spend MUCH more money to be competitive in DII. 

Besides, my understanding is that part of the merger law requires former WSU schools to not offer athletic scholarships.

However, that doesn't preclude them from offering in-state tuition to out-of-state residents at their discretion, does it?

I don't know.  Would that violate the NCAA D3 rules?And we still wouldn't be very competitive in D2, I don't think.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Very good article, PS.  Thanks for the link.

I think it correlates VERY well with the DIII vs. DII question.  We would have to spend MUCH more money to be competitive in DII. 

Besides, my understanding is that part of the merger law requires former WSU schools to not offer athletic scholarships.

However, that doesn't preclude them from offering in-state tuition to out-of-state residents at their discretion, does it?

I don't know.  Would that violate the NCAA D3 rules?And we still wouldn't be very competitive in D2, I don't think.

IF they did it more often for athletes than for the student body as a whole, it would probably be construed as a violation.  Otherwise, no.

[badgerwarhawk]

Very good article, PS.  Thanks for the link.

I think it correlates VERY well with the DIII vs. DII question.  We would have to spend MUCH more money to be competitive in DII. 

Besides, my understanding is that part of the merger law requires former WSU schools to not offer athletic scholarships.

However, that doesn't preclude them from offering in-state tuition to out-of-state residents at their discretion, does it?

Yes, actually it does preclude them.  In state tutiton can be offered to out of state students if the school and/or states have reciprocity and in the case of Minnesota/Wisconsin it is available at all WIAC schools.  Platteville also has a program with Iowa.  Superior has a program with every other state. However making the offer available to only athletes is a violation of NCAA rules so it can't be done at the WIAC's school's descretion.  The offer must be available to all students.

[Pioneer Hoops Fan]

Very good article, PS.  Thanks for the link.

I think it correlates VERY well with the DIII vs. DII question.  We would have to spend MUCH more money to be competitive in DII. 

Besides, my understanding is that part of the merger law requires former WSU schools to not offer athletic scholarships.

However, that doesn't preclude them from offering in-state tuition to out-of-state residents at their discretion, does it?

Yes, actually it does preclude them.  In state tutiton can be offered to out of state students if the school and/or states have reciprocity and in the case of Minnesota/Wisconsin it is available at all WIAC schools.  Platteville also has a program with Iowa.  Superior has a program with every other state. However making the offer available to only athletes is a violation of NCAA rules so it can't be done at the WIAC's school's descretion.  The offer must be available to all students.

Plattevilles program is actually called the Tri-State Initiative.  Students from both Iowa and Illinois get tuition lower than other out of state students would receive.  Main targets for this initiative was to increase overall enrollment, but particularly in specific areas of study where UWP has success in placing their graduates.  This certainly does help when recruiting student-athletes in those states, but the main focus on this initiative is to benefit the University, not it's athletic programs.

[phoenix_rising]

Superior has a program with every other state

Admittedly jumping in late, but that's a kind of misleading statement, isn't it? Superior has reciprocity with any state every other Wisconsin school has and it applies to all students. Wisconsin and Minnesota just went head-to-head over the imbalance: I think Minnesota students paid less to come to Wisconsin than to attend Minnesota schools or something like that. The agreement was old and needed tweaking. Anyway, I believe WI has reciprocity with the border states--MN, IA, IL?--but reciprocity with IA doesn't mean much in Superior; we're more likely to get MN people. And Canadians...

By the way, I think WIAC schools help student athletes get student assistant jobs or summer LTE positions or they work camps. That's about the only way state DIIIs can give any kind of students financial boosts apart from scholarships. Amazingly, a WI state school could provide a math scholarship or a music scholarship. I suspect it ties to majors; however, I'm one for creating athletic majors--emphasis in certain sports. Graduate people who could manage athletes or themselves, assuming they were good enough. Train them for sports PR, sports finance, sports organization. I digress.

I'm really sorry if I'm repeating something already written or am so off base that what I'm replying to is barely related to my reply.

Now I'm babbling...

[badgerwarhawk]

It's been my understanding that Superior can offer reduced tutition to students from any of the 49 remaining states and that, because the board of regents has been concerned about maintaining Superior's enrollment, they're the only school in the system that has that ability.

Am I mistaken? 

As far as Minnesota/Wisconsin it was Minnesota that was on the wrong end of the deal.   They're the ones that threatened to pull the plug.

Hoops, was Platteville's TriState initiative initially set up for engineering majors and then later changed to any major? 

[chmarx]

Superior has a program with every other state

Admittedly jumping in late, but that's a kind of misleading statement, isn't it? Superior has reciprocity with any state every other Wisconsin school has and it applies to all students. Wisconsin and Minnesota just went head-to-head over the imbalance: I think Minnesota students paid less to come to Wisconsin than to attend Minnesota schools or something like that. The agreement was old and needed tweaking. Anyway, I believe WI has reciprocity with the border states--MN, IA, IL?--but reciprocity with IA doesn't mean much in Superior; we're more likely to get MN people. And Canadians...

By the way, I think WIAC schools help student athletes get student assistant jobs or summer LTE positions or they work camps. That's about the only way state DIIIs can give any kind of students financial boosts apart from scholarships. Amazingly, a WI state school could provide a math scholarship or a music scholarship. I suspect it ties to majors; however, I'm one for creating athletic majors--emphasis in certain sports. Graduate people who could manage athletes or themselves, assuming they were good enough. Train them for sports PR, sports finance, sports organization. I digress.

I'm really sorry if I'm repeating something already written or am so off base that what I'm replying to is barely related to my reply.

Now I'm babbling...

La Crosse has programs like that, as part of its PE emphasis.  I don't think athletes get much (if any) preference, though.

[phoenix_rising]

Minnesota definitely was at the bad end of the deal; I can't remember, though, if Minnesota students were coming to Wisconsin, because it was cheaper, or if Wisconsin students were going to Minnesota and paying less in tuition than MN students. I know it was hurting MN.

I think Superior's tuition, overall, is lower than any other state school. I guess it's possible out of state is also lower. It should be easy enough to find out; I suspect somewhere there's a tuition chart. I don't think it's much lower; my daughter is in Green Bay and I'm thinking semesters cost too close to the same, and GB--with about 5,000 students--is DI. Add that to the DI--DIII discussion. Must be some big bucks floating UWGB.

Anyway, the difference in tuition between Superior and, say, Platteville is probably just enough to invest in an extra pair of socks and a nice wool stocking cap.

[Wydown Blvd.]

http://uwhelp.wisconsin.edu/payingforcollege/costs/tuitionfees.asp

Link to a page of links with all UW System tuition rates.

For a Minnesota resident, the tuition difference (per semester for a full time student) between Superior ($6,300) and Platteville is ($6,288.96) is one pack of Under Armour socks...