All Americans

Hugenerd · February 06, 2009, 10:09:06 PM

Yeah, it was quite a coincidence.

RustCollege · February 24, 2009, 03:56:13 PM

here are 2 players who should make the list Keenan Hardy and Jahrell Holmes of Rust College what do you think

Pat Coleman · February 24, 2009, 04:58:07 PM

You'll need to tell us more about them -- it's not like we can go to Rust's site and see their stats or anything.

RustCollege · February 25, 2009, 12:37:52 AM

fg-fga pct 3fg-fga ft-fta RB stl avg pts
F Keenan Hardy fr 150-240 62% 1-2 87-119 9.5 1.29 16.2
G Jahrell Holmes so 134-291 46% 54-149 29-41 4.1 0.96 14.6

And u can look at the site of the teams we played an see what they did

Pat Coleman · February 25, 2009, 12:42:15 AM

Except for Concordia-Selma or Philander Smith or Blue Mountain or Crichton ...

Honestly, that's a lot to ask someone to do, go to 20-some web sites and do the math. So thanks for providing some of the story.

RustCollege · February 25, 2009, 01:15:27 AM

How bout I sent u a copy of our stats from our stat crew program

RustCollege · February 25, 2009, 01:53:48 AM

RUST COLLEGE

Season Schedule/Results & Leaders
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Rust College Men Basketball
RUST COLLEGE Season Schedule/Results & Leaders
All games

RECORD: OVERALL HOME AWAY NEUTRAL
ALL GAMES........... (13-11) (8-0) (4-9) (1-2)

DATE TIME OPPONENT SCORE ATTEND HIGH POINTS HIGH REBOUNDS
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11/18/28 8:00 pm at BLUE MOUNTAIN COLLEGE W 122-116 (40)Jahrell Holmes (11)Keenan Hardy

11/21/08 7 pm at SEWANEE W 77-66 292 (21)Jahrell Holmes (11)Keenan Hardy

11/22/89 1 pm vs Miss. College 72-89 L 62 (12)Keenan Hardy (8)Keenan Hardy
(12)Jahrell Holmes
11/25/08 6 p.m. at Huntingdon College W 86-79 67 (22)Jahrell Holmes (14)Keenan Hardy
11/29/08 7:00 pm vs Wesley College W 86-71 (19)Keenan Hardy (14)Keenan Hardy
(19)William Montgomery
11/30/08 3:00 pm at Millsaps 79-92 L 105 (18)Hakim Ameen (4)Jahrell Holmes
12/02/08 7:00 pm at Hendrix College 65-79 L 539 (18)Keenan Hardy (5)Jahrell Holmes
12/6/08 1:00 PIEDMONT COLLEGE W 88-85 (22)Jahrell Holmes (9)Dejuan Watts
12/6/08 4:30 p.m. at Webster 68-71 L 315 (17)Marcus Erves (7)Marcus Erves
12/8/08 7:00 pm at Fontbonne University 85-97 L 135 (20)Keenan Hardy (8)Keenan Hardy
12/10/08 7:00PM at RHODES09 79-82 L 357 (17)Marcus Erves (8)Keenan Hardy
(8)William Montgomery
12/13/08 3:00 p.m. MARYVILLE COLLEGE SCOTS W 92-74 (18)Hakim Ameen (13)Keenan Hardy
12/15/08 7:00 p.m. LAGRANGE COLLEGE PANTHERS W 86-77 (19)Keenan Hardy (13)Keenan Hardy
12/19/08 5:00 BIRMINGHAM SOUTHERN W 79-77 (21)Jahrell Holmes (10)Keenan Hardy
01/07/09 7:00 p.m. HUNTINGTON COLLEGE W 75-70 (14)Keenan Hardy (5)William Montgomery
(5)Omar Cumberbatch
1-18-09 4:00 at Maryville College Scots 76-107 L (22)Keenan Hardy (14)Keenan Hardy
01-25-09 2:00 at Piedmont College 82-84 L 300 (22)Dejuan Watts (10)Jahrell Holmes
(10)Keenan Hardy
1/26/09 7:00 at LaGrange College W 65-63 (14)Keenan Hardy (15)Keenan Hardy
02/02/09 7:00 p.m. CONCORDIA COLLEGE HORNETS W 88-81 (21)Hakim Ameen (19)Keenan Hardy
02/04/09 8:00 PHILANDER SMITH COLLEGE W 73-67 (19)Jahrell Holmes (10)Keenan Hardy
02/07/09 7:30 at LeMoyne-Owen 75-89 L (18)Jahrell Holmes (9)Keenan Hardy
02/13/09 7:30 p.m. PHILANDER SMITH PANTHERS W 105-76 (21)Dejuan Watts (12)Keenan Hardy
2/18/09 7:00pm at Birmingham-Southern 66-68 L 434 (31)Keenan Hardy (7)Keenan Hardy
02-19-09 7:00p.m. vs Crichton College 69-82 L (14)Dejuan Watts (10)Dejuan Watts

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Season Box Score
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Rust College Men Basketball
RUST COLLEGE Season Box Score (as of Feb 25, 2009)
All games

RECORD: OVERALL HOME AWAY NEUTRAL
ALL GAMES........... (13-11) (8-0) (4-9) (1-2)

## SUMMARY GP-GS Min FG% 3PT% FT% R/G A/G STL BLK PTS/G
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23 Jahrell Holmes...... 24-21 28.3 .460 .362 .707 4.1 1.7 23 7 14.6
25 Keenan Hardy........ 24-17 27.8 .625 .500 .731 9.5 1.1 31 18 16.2

SCORING GP FG-FGA FG% 3FG-FGA 3PT% FT-FTA FT% PTS PTS/G
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Jahrell Holmes...... 24 134-291 .460 54-149 .362 29-41 .707 351 14.6
Keenan Hardy........ 24 150-240 .625 1-2 .500 87-119 .731 388 16.2

REBOUNDS
TOTALS GP MIN OFF DEF TOT PF FO A TO A/TO HI
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Jahrell Holmes...... 24 680 21 77 98 36 1 41 40 1.0 40
Keenan Hardy........ 24 667 73 154 227 58 0 26 50 0.5 31

Overall Team Statistics
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Rust College Men Basketball
RUST COLLEGE Overall Team Statistics (as of Feb 25, 2009)
All games

TEAM STATISTICS RC OPP
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SCORING.................. 1938 1942
Points per game........ 80.8 80.9
Scoring margin......... -0.2 -
FIELD GOALS-ATT.......... 733-1524 691-1576
Field goal pct......... .481 .438
3 POINT FG-ATT........... 139-376 229-655
3-point FG pct......... .370 .350
3-pt FG made per game.. 5.8 9.5
FREE THROWS-ATT.......... 333-479 331-506
Free throw pct......... .695 .654
F-Throws made per game. 13.9 13.8
REBOUNDS................. 876 904
Rebounds per game...... 36.5 37.7
Rebounding margin...... -1.2 -
ASSISTS.................. 364 361
Assists per game....... 15.2 15.0
TURNOVERS................ 383 351
Turnovers per game..... 16.0 14.6
Turnover margin........ -1.3 -
Assist/turnover ratio.. 1.0 1.0
STEALS................... 147 162
Steals per game........ 6.1 6.8
BLOCKS................... 67 55
Blocks per game........ 2.8 2.3
WINNING STREAK........... 0 -
Home win streak........ 8 -
ATTENDANCE............... 0 2606
Home games-Avg/Game.... 8-0 13-196
Neutral site-Avg/Game.. - 3-21

SCORE BY PERIODS: 1st 2nd Total
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RUST COLLEGE.................. 822 1116 - 1938
Opponents..................... 801 1141 - 1942
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Category Leaders
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Rust College Men Basketball
RUST COLLEGE Category Leaders
All games

POINTS G Pts Pts/G SCORING AVERAGE G Pts Avg/G
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Keenan Hardy........ 24 388 16.2 Keenan Hardy........ 24 388 16.2
Jahrell Holmes...... 24 351 14.6 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 351 14.6
Dejuan Watts........ 24 225 9.4 Dejuan Watts........ 24 225 9.4
Hakim Ameen......... 24 203 8.5 Hakim Ameen......... 24 203 8.5
William Montgomery.. 24 183 7.6 William Montgomery.. 24 183 7.6
Eric Jackson........ 24 154 6.4 Eric Jackson........ 24 154 6.4
Omar Cumberbatch.... 23 145 6.3 Omar Cumberbatch.... 23 145 6.3
Marcus Erves........ 24 121 5.0 Marcus Erves........ 24 121 5.0
Santez Bogard....... 22 54 2.5 Santez Bogard....... 22 54 2.5
Contreras Thomas.... 23 47 2.0 Emmanuel Jackson.... 18 37 2.1
Emmanuel Jackson.... 18 37 2.1 Contreras Thomas.... 23 47 2.0
Catron, Sergio...... 8 16 2.0 Catron, Sergio...... 8 16 2.0

FG PERCENTAGE FG ATT Pct FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS G Att Att/G
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Keenan Hardy........ 150 240 .625 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 291 12.1
Omar Cumberbatch.... 53 92 .576 Keenan Hardy........ 24 240 10.0
Catron, Sergio...... 8 15 .533 Dejuan Watts........ 24 214 8.9
Contreras Thomas.... 17 32 .531 Hakim Ameen......... 24 163 6.8
Dejuan Watts........ 104 214 .486 William Montgomery.. 24 132 5.5
William Montgomery.. 64 132 .485
Jahrell Holmes...... 134 291 .460 FIELD GOALS MADE G Made Made/G
Marcus Erves........ 49 111 .441 -----------------------------------
Hakim Ameen......... 71 163 .436 Keenan Hardy........ 24 150 6.3
Santez Bogard....... 21 53 .396 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 134 5.6
Eric Jackson........ 47 126 .373 Dejuan Watts........ 24 104 4.3
Emmanuel Jackson.... 9 29 .310 Hakim Ameen......... 24 71 3.0
William Montgomery.. 24 64 2.7

3-POINT PERCENTAGE 3FG ATT Pct 3-POINT FG ATTEMPTS G Att Att/G
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Santez Bogard....... 3 5 .600 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 149 6.2
Keenan Hardy........ 1 2 .500 Eric Jackson........ 24 98 4.1
Hakim Ameen......... 35 84 .417 Hakim Ameen......... 24 84 3.5
Eric Jackson........ 37 98 .378 William Montgomery.. 24 24 1.0
Jahrell Holmes...... 54 149 .362 Emmanuel Jackson.... 18 6 0.3
Emmanuel Jackson.... 2 6 .333
William Montgomery.. 7 24 .292 3-POINT FGS MADE G Made Made/G
Dejuan Watts........ 0 2 .000 -----------------------------------
Rashad Thompson..... 0 5 .000 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 54 2.3
Catron, Sergio...... 0 1 .000 Eric Jackson........ 24 37 1.5
Hakim Ameen......... 24 35 1.5
William Montgomery.. 24 7 0.3
Santez Bogard....... 22 3 0.1

FT PERCENTAGE FT ATT Pct FREE THROW ATTEMPTS G Att Att/G
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Eric Jackson........ 23 27 .852 Keenan Hardy........ 24 119 5.0
Emmanuel Jackson.... 17 22 .773 William Montgomery.. 24 75 3.1
Keenan Hardy........ 87 119 .731 Omar Cumberbatch.... 23 55 2.4
Hakim Ameen......... 26 36 .722 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 41 1.7
Omar Cumberbatch.... 39 55 .709 Hakim Ameen......... 24 36 1.5
Jahrell Holmes...... 29 41 .707 Marcus Erves........ 24 36 1.5
Dejuan Watts........ 17 25 .680
Rashad Thompson..... 2 3 .667 FREE THROWS MADE G Made Made/G
William Montgomery.. 48 75 .640 -----------------------------------
Marcus Erves........ 23 36 .639 Keenan Hardy........ 24 87 3.6
Contreras Thomas.... 13 22 .591 William Montgomery.. 24 48 2.0
Santez Bogard....... 9 16 .563 Omar Cumberbatch.... 23 39 1.7
Jahrell Holmes...... 24 29 1.2
Hakim Ameen......... 24 26 1.1

REBOUNDS G Reb Reb/G ASSISTS G No. A/G
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Keenan Hardy........ 24 227 9.5 William Montgomery.. 24 96 4.0
Jahrell Holmes...... 24 98 4.1 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 41 1.7
Dejuan Watts........ 24 94 3.9 Santez Bogard....... 22 39 1.8
Marcus Erves........ 24 90 3.8 Hakim Ameen......... 24 34 1.4
Omar Cumberbatch.... 23 79 3.4 Emmanuel Jackson.... 18 30 1.7

REBOUND AVERAGE G Reb Avg/G STEALS G No. S/G
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Keenan Hardy........ 24 227 9.5 Keenan Hardy........ 24 31 1.3
Jahrell Holmes...... 24 98 4.1 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 23 1.0
Dejuan Watts........ 24 94 3.9 William Montgomery.. 24 19 0.8
Marcus Erves........ 24 90 3.8 Hakim Ameen......... 24 18 0.8
Omar Cumberbatch.... 23 79 3.4 Dejuan Watts........ 24 14 0.6

. BLOCKED SHOTS G No. Blk/G

Keenan Hardy........ 24 18 0.8
Marcus Erves........ 24 13 0.5
Dejuan Watts........ 24 10 0.4
Jahrell Holmes...... 24 7 0.3
Omar Cumberbatch.... 23 6 0.3

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 25, 2009, 04:44:43 AM

Now... put that on the athletic's website along with the results and that would really be nice!!! Finding Rust information is harder than finding a needle in a haystack!

Hugenerd · February 25, 2009, 10:24:42 AM

Sorry to be the antagonist, but, although 16 ppg and 9 rpg are good numbers and 14.6 and 4 are ok, I wouldnt say that those types of numbers would get you on the list, especially for a team that is barely over 0.500. With some players you could make the argument that they dont put up huge numbers because they are on a very good team, but when your team is barely winning more than half their games, you really need to be putting up huge numbers to get consideration, from my past observations (I am obviously not a voter). If you take a look on the preseason list, every player on there is either putting up huge numbers, is a leader on a top national contender, or both.

The NCAA site says Hardy as 194th in the country in scoring, 11 in FG%, and 42 in rebounds. Meanwhile, it says that Holmes is 313th in scoring (14.6) and 2nd in 3s per game (6.2). I dont know if its just me, but Holmes numbers dont make sense. If he is making 6.2 3s per game, that would be at least 18.6 ppg, but his ppg number listed in the stats provided and on the NCAA website are 14.6 ppg. So clearly there is something wrong there.

David Collinge · February 25, 2009, 10:52:15 AM

Wow--

-- results from every Rust College game, category leaders, complete stats (for two players, at least), all in one place at one time....

I feel a little like a man who's been starving in the desert for 10 years, surviving on the occasional beetle or blade of grass, who suddenly finds himself at a 24-hour White Castle with a $50 bill. Can't...eat...another...mmph...okay...maybe...(burp)...just...one...more...

andrewmp · February 25, 2009, 12:11:42 PM

Quote from: hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 10:24:42 AM
Sorry to be the antagonist, but, although 16 ppg and 9 rpg are good numbers and 14.6 and 4 are ok, I wouldnt say that those types of numbers would get you on the list, especially for a team that is barely over 0.500. With some players you could make the argument that they dont put up huge numbers because they are on a very good team, but when your team is barely winning more than half their games, you really need to be putting up huge numbers to get consideration, from my past observations (I am obviously not a voter). If you take a look on the preseason list, every player on there is either putting up huge numbers, is a leader on a top national contender, or both.

The NCAA site says Hardy as 194th in the country in scoring, 11 in FG%, and 42 in rebounds. Meanwhile, it says that Holmes is 313th in scoring (14.6) and 2nd in 3s per game (6.2). I dont know if its just me, but Holmes numbers dont make sense. If he is making 6.2 3s per game, that would be at least 18.6 ppg, but his ppg number listed in the stats provided and on the NCAA website are 14.6 ppg. So clearly there is something wrong there.

I believe that the stat you are wondering about is 3s attempted per a game, not 3s made.

3-POINT PERCENTAGE 3FG ATT Pct 3-POINT FG ATTEMPTS G Att Att/G
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Santez Bogard....... 3 5 .600 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 149 6.2
Keenan Hardy........ 1 2 .500 Eric Jackson........ 24 98 4.1
Hakim Ameen......... 35 84 .417 Hakim Ameen......... 24 84 3.5
Eric Jackson........ 37 98 .378 William Montgomery.. 24 24 1.0
Jahrell Holmes...... 54 149 .362 Emmanuel Jackson.... 18 6 0.3
Emmanuel Jackson.... 2 6 .333
William Montgomery.. 7 24 .292 3-POINT FGS MADE G Made Made/G
Dejuan Watts........ 0 2 .000 -----------------------------------
Rashad Thompson..... 0 5 .000 Jahrell Holmes...... 24 54 2.3
Catron, Sergio...... 0 1 .000 Eric Jackson........ 24 37 1.5
Hakim Ameen......... 24 35 1.5
William Montgomery.. 24 7 0.3
Santez Bogard....... 22 3 0.1

You'll see that he makes 2.3 threes a game.
I think the site that you are looking at has that number mixed up.

Hugenerd · February 25, 2009, 12:45:57 PM

Thanks, the official NCAA stats (http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?sportCode=MBB) has it mxed up then:

NCAA® Men's Basketball
Division III
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game
Through Games 02/22/2009

Rank Name, Team Cl Ht Pos G 3FG 3PG
1 John Grotberg, Grinnell Sr. 6-2 G 23 145 6.3
2 Jahrell Holmes, Rust So. 6-2 G 24 149 6.2
3 Bobby Long, Grinnell Sr. 6-0 G 23 115 5.0
4 Justin Woodworth, Salve Regina Sr. 6-3 G 24 104 4.3
5 Kyle Plath, Wis. Lutheran Sr. 6-4 G 25 106 4.2
6 Eric Jackson, Rust Jr. 6-2 G 24 98 4.1
7 Anthony Passalacqua, Stevens Institute Sr. 6-0 G 25 97 3.9
8 Chris Hanson, Daniel Webster So. 6-2 G 24 91 3.8
Kyle Winters, Maryville (Mo.) Jr. 6-0 G 24 91 3.8
10 Glenn Washington, Cabrini So. 6-3 G 21 75 3.6
11 Stephen Harris, Cazenovia Sr. 6-0 G 25 89 3.6
12 Hakim Ameen, Rust Jr. 5-11 G 24 84 3.5
Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT Sr. 6-4 G 24 84 3.5
14 Wes Weir, Trine Jr. 6-1 G 25 86 3.4
15 Tommy Baro, Blackburn Sr. 6-2 F 24 81 3.4

They have him down as making 149, not attempting.

Hugenerd · February 25, 2009, 12:50:08 PM

Quote from: hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 12:45:57 PM
Thanks, the official NCAA stats (http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?sportCode=MBB) has it mxed up then:

NCAA® Men's Basketball
Division III
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game
Through Games 02/22/2009

Rank Name, Team Cl Ht Pos G 3FG 3PG
1 John Grotberg, Grinnell Sr. 6-2 G 23 145 6.3
2 Jahrell Holmes, Rust So. 6-2 G 24 149 6.2
3 Bobby Long, Grinnell Sr. 6-0 G 23 115 5.0
4 Justin Woodworth, Salve Regina Sr. 6-3 G 24 104 4.3
5 Kyle Plath, Wis. Lutheran Sr. 6-4 G 25 106 4.2
6 Eric Jackson, Rust Jr. 6-2 G 24 98 4.1
7 Anthony Passalacqua, Stevens Institute Sr. 6-0 G 25 97 3.9
8 Chris Hanson, Daniel Webster So. 6-2 G 24 91 3.8
Kyle Winters, Maryville (Mo.) Jr. 6-0 G 24 91 3.8
10 Glenn Washington, Cabrini So. 6-3 G 21 75 3.6
11 Stephen Harris, Cazenovia Sr. 6-0 G 25 89 3.6
12 Hakim Ameen, Rust Jr. 5-11 G 24 84 3.5
Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT Sr. 6-4 G 24 84 3.5
14 Wes Weir, Trine Jr. 6-1 G 25 86 3.4
15 Tommy Baro, Blackburn Sr. 6-2 F 24 81 3.4

They have him down as making 149, not attempting.

Actually, now that I look at the stats, there are 3 Rust players ranked in the top 12 that shouldnt be. As you have pointed out, all 3 of those figures are 3-point attempts per game not makes. Just as a point of comparison, John Grotberg averages 16.2 3s attempted per game and makes 6.5.

frodotwo · February 25, 2009, 12:57:02 PM

So maybe Rust provided the wrong info

Hugenerd · February 25, 2009, 01:01:03 PM

Quote from: frodotwo on February 25, 2009, 12:57:02 PM
So maybe Rust provided the wrong info

Sounds that way, they must have entered the data incorrectly or in an incorrect format.

I just checked and the data has been wrong the last 4 weeks (weeks of 2/1, 2/8, 2/15, and 2/22), it appears that prior to that it was entered correctly because no Rust players appear on the top 3 pointers made list on the 1/25 report.