All Americans

[KorsairKILLAH]

How does Brandon Shelton of the UMD Corsairs fare?

18.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, team ranked 19th nationally

[Hugenerd]

I am sure if the SID nominates him he will be considered.  If I remember correctly, maybe Pat or somebody could correct me if I am wrong, there is a regional nomination process and then from that pool, players are selected for the all-region teams (the number of all-region teams in a given region is based on the number of teams in that region, I believe, the largest region being the northeast).  Then those on the all-region teams are considered for the all-america teams.

As for Shelton, I dont know about enough about him specifically, or the specifics of the process to make a good estimate.  I just know that, in the case of the Rust players, decent numbers on a mediocre team wont make you an all-american, just from past obervations. For example, Jimmy Bartolotta averaged 21 ppg, 9 rbg, 4.5 apg, and 2 spg for an MIT team that went 14-13 2 years ago, when he was a sophomore, and he did not make all-america that year.  Obviously he has kept it up and he was on one of the teams last season and made preseason this year, but just because you put up really good numbers doesnt automatically make you an all-american.

[RustCollege]

No u was lookin at them wrong cuz Holmes do take 6 3s a game but only make 2 a game

So maybe Rust provided the wrong info 

Sounds that way, they must have entered the data incorrectly or in an incorrect format.

I just checked and the data has been wrong the last 4 weeks (weeks of 2/1, 2/8, 2/15, and 2/22), it appears that prior to that it was entered correctly because no Rust players appear on the top 3 pointers made list on the 1/25 report.

[RustCollege]

#23 Jahrell Holmes     

                                         |---TOTAL---| |---3-PTS---|             |----REBOUNDS----|
Opponent               Date     GS  Min   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA  Pct Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
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at BLUE MOUNTAIN COLLE 11/18/28  *   28   15-26   .577   4-9    .444   6-8   .750   1   3    4  4.0   2  0   0   3   0   2   40 40.0
at SEWANEE             11/21/08  *   37    9-20   .450   3-10   .300   0-0   .000   1   3    4  4.0   0  0   1   0   1   2   21 30.5
vs Miss. College       11/22/89  *   23    5-12   .417   2-4    .500   0-0   .000   1   2    3  3.7   2  0   0   1   0   1   12 24.3
at Huntingdon College  11/25/08  *   34    8-16   .500   3-6    .500   3-3  1.000   0   5    5  4.0   3  0   2   3   1   1   22 23.8
vs Wesley College      11/29/08  *   32    4-9    .444   2-6    .333   0-0   .000   1   3    4  4.0   1  0   0   3   1   1   10 21.0
at Millsaps            11/30/08  *   26    3-9    .333   3-7    .429   1-2   .500   1   3    4  4.0   2  0   4   3   0   0   10 19.2
at Hendrix College     12/02/08  *   29    2-6    .333   1-3    .333   0-0   .000   0   5    5  4.1   0  0   2   3   2   1    5 17.1
PIEDMONT COLLEGE       12/6/08   *   30    8-15   .533   4-10   .400   2-5   .400   4   4    8  4.6   3  0   2   4   0   2   22 17.8
at Webster             12/6/08   *   34    6-14   .429   2-7    .286   0-0   .000   0   1    1  4.2   0  0   4   1   1   1   14 17.3
at Fontbonne Universit 12/8/08   *   28    7-17   .412   3-9    .333   0-0   .000   2   0    2  4.0   1  0   4   1   0   0   17 17.3
at RHODES09            12/10/08  *   15    4-8    .500   2-4    .500   0-0   .000   1   1    2  3.8   5  1   2   0   0   1   10 16.6
MARYVILLE COLLEGE SCOT 12/13/08  *   28    5-10   .500   0-3    .000   1-2   .500   0   4    4  3.8   2  0   4   1   0   2   11 16.2
LAGRANGE COLLEGE PANTH 12/15/08  *   27    5-10   .500   4-6    .667   1-2   .500   0   4    4  3.8   4  0   2   3   0   0   15 16.1
BIRMINGHAM SOUTHERN    12/19/08  *   33    7-16   .438   2-5    .400   5-7   .714   0   5    5  3.9   3  0   5   1   0   0   21 16.4
HUNTINGTON COLLEGE     01/07/09      20    4-10   .400   2-7    .286   1-1  1.000   1   2    3  3.9   1  0   1   1   0   0   11 16.1
at Maryville College S 1-18-09   *   27    5-9    .556   1-4    .250   0-0   .000   1   2    3  3.8   0  0   0   3   0   0   11 15.8
at Piedmont College    01-25-09  *   36    6-12   .500   2-4    .500   4-4  1.000   1   9   10  4.2   1  0   1   2   0   3   18 15.9
at LaGrange College    1/26/09   *   31    2-9    .222   0-5    .000   0-0   .000   1   2    3  4.1   0  0   1   2   0   2    4 15.2
CONCORDIA COLLEGE HORN 02/02/09  *   25    2-10   .200   1-7    .143   0-0   .000   1   2    3  4.1   2  0   1   1   0   1    5 14.7
PHILANDER SMITH COLLEG 02/04/09  *   31    7-12   .583   3-8    .375   2-3   .667   0   2    2  4.0   0  0   1   0   0   0   19 14.9
at LeMoyne-Owen        02/07/09  *   32    7-13   .538   4-8    .500   0-0   .000   0   3    3  3.9   2  0   1   1   0   0   18 15.0
PHILANDER SMITH PANTHE 02/13/09      14    3-6    .500   1-4    .250   3-4   .750   2   2    4  3.9   0  0   1   0   1   1   10 14.8
at Birmingham-Southern 2/18/09   *   32    5-10   .500   2-6    .333   0-0   .000   1   5    6  4.0   2  0   0   1   0   2   12 14.7
vs Crichton College    02-19-09      28    5-12   .417   3-7    .429   0-0   .000   1   5    6  4.1   0  0   2   2   0   0   13 14.6

Totals......................... 21  680  134-291  .460  54-149  .362  29-41  .707  21  77   98  4.1  36  1  41  40   7  23  351 14.6

Games played: 24
Minutes/game: 28.3
Points/game: 14.6
FG Pct: 46.0
3FG Pct: 36.2
FT Pct: 70.7

Rebounds/game: 4.1
Assists/game: 1.7
Turnovers/game: 1.7
Assist/turnover ratio: 1.0
Steals/game: 1.0
Blocks/game: 0.3

[sac]

No offense but All-american's stats usually don't drop off that badly from the start of the season.

You're persistent but these just aren't all-american numbers.

[Hugenerd]

No u was lookin at them wrong cuz Holmes do take 6 3s a game but only make 2 a game

So maybe Rust provided the wrong info 

Sounds that way, they must have entered the data incorrectly or in an incorrect format.

I just checked and the data has been wrong the last 4 weeks (weeks of 2/1, 2/8, 2/15, and 2/22), it appears that prior to that it was entered correctly because no Rust players appear on the top 3 pointers made list on the 1/25 report.

The NCAA official stats has Holmes, Jackson, and Ameen ranked top 12 in 3 pointers MADE per game (the NCAA does not publish rankings for 3-pointers attempted per game).  Go to the website and check yourself:

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?sportCode=MBB

You need to select Division III, Through Games 2/22/2009, and then Individual Statistics -> Three Point Field Goals Per Game

Until 1/25/2009 none of those 3 appeared in the rankings and the last 4 weeks all 3 players have been in the top 12.  There is clearly an error and inconsistency with the data you provided.

[RustCollege]

Yea u were right they made mistake on dat one but as far as what type of player Keenan Hardy who is only a fr at 6'4 playing forward and J. Holmes who is a So are both under rate u just need to cum watch them play so u can see what im talkin about so I will tell u this just watch out for Rust College cuz they have a very young team with only 2 Sr they lost who didn't make impact so they went 13-11 but watch out for 2009-10 and will see

No u was lookin at them wrong cuz Holmes do take 6 3s a game but only make 2 a game

So maybe Rust provided the wrong info 

Sounds that way, they must have entered the data incorrectly or in an incorrect format.

I just checked and the data has been wrong the last 4 weeks (weeks of 2/1, 2/8, 2/15, and 2/22), it appears that prior to that it was entered correctly because no Rust players appear on the top 3 pointers made list on the 1/25 report.

The NCAA official stats has Holmes, Jackson, and Ameen ranked top 12 in 3 pointers MADE per game (the NCAA does not publish rankings for 3-pointers attempted per game).  Go to the website and check yourself:

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?sportCode=MBB

You need to select Division III, Through Games 2/22/2009, and then Individual Statistics -> Three Point Field Goals Per Game

Until 1/25/2009 none of those 3 appeared in the rankings and the last 4 weeks all 3 players have been in the top 12.  There is clearly an error and inconsistency with the data you provided.

[LogShow]

Jason Foster of Puget Sound was a pre-season all-american selection (3rd team, I think).  I am wondering if he did enough to earn a spot at the end of the year.  Of course I think he did, but there is an obvious bias there, lol.     

[Hugenerd]

Here is the press release from ESPN/CoSida:

http://www.cosida.com/documents/2009/2/25/2008-09MBBAAATeams.pdf

Jimmy Bartolotta, MIT,  was named the Academic All-America of the Year today.


Kent Raymond also made the first team (Wheaton, IL), along with Scott Morton (SUNY Geneseo).

On the second team were: Kyle Holliday (Ohio Wesleyan), Brian Small (Suffolk, MA), and Matt Sosna (Widener).

Third team includes: Mark Carson (RIT) and Cameron Smith (WashU).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It's going to be ruined by his conference playoff game upcoming, but I thought I'd point out an interesting stat from John Grotberg.


Currently his total points and per game average for four years of basketball:

2005-2006   723/31.4
2006-2007   675/28.1
2007-2008   675/28.1
2008-2009   723/31.4

[Hugenerd]

It's going to be ruined by his conference playoff game upcoming, but I thought I'd point out an interesting stat from John Grotberg.


Currently his total points and per game average for four years of basketball:

2005-2006   723/31.4
2006-2007   675/28.1
2007-2008   675/28.1
2008-2009   723/31.4

Thats a very nice palindrome.  Demetri Martin would definitely approve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetri_martin)

[gordonmann]

Ha.  Very nice.  He should sit out this weekend's games.

Signed,

Hannah Neven

[larry_u]

Something tells me that noone from Rust College will be on the Academic all-american teams....just a hunch

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Grotberg got 31 tonight and at least one more game.

Anyone have the top ten all-time d3 scorers?  I know he doesn't have much shot at the top two, but he's got to have #3 in his sights, right?


He's at 2827 right now.

#2 is 2898
#1 is 2940

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I found it; he's already 100 points past #3.

So unless he can score 72 points tomorrow or GC wins, he'll finish at #3 all time.


He's also now #1 all time in 3pt FGs made.