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CCIWchamps

#435
Quote from: hugenerd on April 03, 2009, 08:48:07 PM
Boxscore for the All-Star game, for those who are interested:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/gonz/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/NABCBox.pdf

Looks like he doesn't do as well when he doesn't play 37 minutes a game.    ::) ;)
That's pretty cool that he gets to play up.  Who was the DII POY that also played?

Gregory Sager

Quote from: CCIWchamps on April 04, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
That's pretty cool that he gets to play up.  Who was the DII POY that also played?


Josh Bostic of Findlay. He had four points, seven rebounds, and four assists in 20 minutes of play. He also had a couple of steals, but he went 1-7 from the floor.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

CCIWchamps

Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2009, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: CCIWchamps on April 04, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
That's pretty cool that he gets to play up.  Who was the DII POY that also played?


Josh Bostic of Findlay. He had four points, seven rebounds, and four assists in 20 minutes of play. He also had a couple of steals, but he went 1-7 from the floor.

It'd be really interesting to have an end of the year tournament between different Divisions' Champions, just to see how they stack up.  Or maybe just the Divisions under D-I.  Kinda like when they used to have in high school soccer, a national tournament between all of the state champions. 

Hugenerd

Quote from: CCIWchamps on April 04, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on April 03, 2009, 08:48:07 PM
Boxscore for the All-Star game, for those who are interested:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/gonz/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/NABCBox.pdf

Looks like he doesn't do as well when he doesn't play 37 minutes a game.    ::) ;)
That's pretty cool that he gets to play up.  Who was the DII POY that also played?


Its probably also tough to get a rhythm going when you play for 2 minute stretches four times.  I think he would have had a better chance to play on the other team.  Weber did a better job of allocating minutes among all his players, only one player played less than 18 minutes and that is because he fouled out in 16 minutes (Bostic, the d2 player, didnt play exceptionally well, shooting 1-7, but still got to play his 20 minutes).  Weber essentially subbed in new lines every 4-5 minutes, regardless of the streak the other team went on or how the players were playing.

I still think Bartolotta played pretty well.  Richardson played him at the point for half of his minutes and he didnt have any turnovers even though he was matched up against Tyrese Rice.  He missed a couple of shots, but it is tough to sit for long stretches and then shoot deep 3s (0-2 3s), and his other miss was a running left-hander that spun out. 

CCIWchamps

#439
Quote from: hugenerd on April 04, 2009, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: CCIWchamps on April 04, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on April 03, 2009, 08:48:07 PM
Boxscore for the All-Star game, for those who are interested:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/gonz/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/NABCBox.pdf

Looks like he doesn't do as well when he doesn't play 37 minutes a game.    ::) ;)
That's pretty cool that he gets to play up.  Who was the DII POY that also played?


Its probably also tough to get a rhythm going when you play for 2 minute stretches four times.  I think he would have had a better chance to play on the other team.  Weber did a better job of allocating minutes among all his players, only one player played less than 18 minutes and that is because he fouled out in 16 minutes (Bostic, the d2 player, didnt play exceptionally well, shooting 1-7, but still got to play his 20 minutes).  Weber essentially subbed in new lines every 4-5 minutes, regardless of the streak the other team went on or how the players were playing.

I still think Bartolotta played pretty well.  Richardson played him at the point for half of his minutes and he didnt have any turnovers even though he was matched up against Tyrese Rice.  He missed a couple of shots, but it is tough to sit for long stretches and then shoot deep 3s (0-2 3s), and his other miss was a running left-hander that spun out. 

I can't believe I managed to snag -2k for my comments today.  Thin skins out here.  (I guess I'm misunderstanding how to use the smiley face icons.  I thought they were to imply some tongue-in-cheek jesting) Is Bartolotta planning on playing overseas next year?  I imagine that with an MIT education and some of the internships he's had, he stands to do pretty well in the business world/real world. 

Hugenerd

Yes, he does.  Word is he may have some interest from Italian clubs because his grandparents are Italian (and something maybe able to be worked out where he doesnt count as a foreign player), but I think he is keeping his options open currently to anywhere that he can play in a good league.

Playing basketball is really once in a lifetime opportunity.  If he goes to the business world, it would be nearly impossible for him to come back and play basketball, but it isnt really going to hurt his long-term career if he sees how a basketball career goes for a few years.  He will always have his degree.  He also has some pretty good contacts by going to MIT.  The single-game scoring record he broke this season was previously held by David Koch, who is now the richest denizen of NYC (networth ~$10B). Mr. Koch is a big supporter of MIT and the athletics program, and even gave a talk on the basketball team's alumni day this year (here is a picture of Bartolotta, Koch, MIT President Susan Hockfield, MIT Director of Athletics Julie Soriero, and MIT Basketball Coach Larry Anderson: http://studentlife.mit.edu/sites/default/files/Record-High-Scores_1.jpg, here is a picture of Koch talking to the team a few hours before their game on alumni day: http://studentlife.mit.edu/sites/default/files/5-Centercourt-group.jpg).

Hugenerd

#441
Just saw this:

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/

Looks like Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe agrees with what I said about Bartolotta's minutes and his overall play.

CCIWchamps

Quote from: hugenerd on April 05, 2009, 02:15:04 PM
Yes, he does.  Word is he may have some interest from Italian clubs because his grandparents are Italian (and something maybe able to be worked out where he doesnt count as a foreign player), but I think he is keeping his options open currently to anywhere that he can play in a good league.

Playing basketball is really once in a lifetime opportunity.  If he goes to the business world, it would be nearly impossible for him to come back and play basketball, but it isnt really going to hurt his long-term career if he sees how a basketball career goes for a few years.  He will always have his degree.  He also has some pretty good contacts by going to MIT.  The single-game scoring record he broke this season was previously held by David Koch, who is now the richest denizen of NYC (networth ~$10B). Mr. Koch is a big supporter of MIT and the athletics program, and even gave a talk on the basketball team's alumni day this year (here is a picture of Bartolotta, Koch, MIT President Susan Hockfield, MIT Director of Athletics Julie Soriero, and MIT Basketball Coach Larry Anderson: http://studentlife.mit.edu/sites/default/files/Record-High-Scores_1.jpg, here is a picture of Koch talking to the team a few hours before their game on alumni day: http://studentlife.mit.edu/sites/default/files/5-Centercourt-group.jpg).

That's great for him, I agree.  He definitely has some options.  Also, that article you linked is a good read.  A double major and a minor from MIT will come in handy whenever he decides to start punching the clock.  As well as the MIT grad reference you mentioned.  I say go for it.  and play ball as long as he can, though I assume that is likely the overwhelming opinion of everyone on here anyway.  Talk about a cool way to see the world and get some experiences you also may not get once you're later in life. 

Gregory Sager

Quote from: hugenerd on April 05, 2009, 02:15:04 PM
Yes, he does.  Word is he may have some interest from Italian clubs because his grandparents are Italian (and something maybe able to be worked out where he doesnt count as a foreign player), but I think he is keeping his options open currently to anywhere that he can play in a good league.

I think that the rule in Serie A (the top league in Italy) is that any player who can claim at least one Italian-born grandparent is considered an Italian national for the league's purposes and therefore doesn't count towards the foreign-player roster restriction. It's this clause that was instrumental in Mike D'Antoni and Vinny Del Negro choosing to play pro ball in Italy.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

magicman

#444
Quote from: hopefan on April 02, 2009, 08:41:46 AM
Magic -

I kind of skirted both those guys - if Healy graduated in 68, that would have been my freshman year, and frosh back then were limited to 3 years varsity....   Cardeny would have been a frosh or a soph my last year of coaching, I remember the name, but probably from reading about him after I left coaching.  Names I remember were a guard from SLU named Francis, who made the All Conference team with me as the guards in my senior year 1971 -  also remember a forward named Hughes from SLU - mid 70's - a strong 6'4" forward-  Union had Jimmy Tedesco when I played, flashy curly haired explosive guard - and Bill Carmody when I was coaching - (He has coached at Princeton and Northwestern)  - also remember the big guy from Hobart with the great name - Carmen Genovese -  and the 3 Panaggios at Brockport  (pop and 2 sons)- we played there in the first NCAA D3 tourney in74-75 (and got beat, though we beat Albany St the next night)
great coaches when I was coaching and playing - Dick Sauers at Albany, Gary Walters at Union, Paul Evans at SLU (later to Pitt), Bill Kalbaugh at RPI, and a very young Mike Neer at Rochester.. oh and Murphy was just starting at Hamilton before Hamilton was good  -
another thing to remember is the various gyms - Union with the 'elevated' floor and deadspots - and 'bandboxes' at RPI, Williams, St Lawrence, Hamilton - running down the narrow fire escape to get on the Rochester floor- the unbelievable scenic trips up to Plattsburgh, SLU, Clarkson...

Good memories.....

hopefan,
Don't know if you've been following a special election that just took place in NY state, but Jimmy Tedisco is running for a congressional seat that was vacated by Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand.(Gillibrand was appointed to the U.S. Senate by the Governor of NY to occupy the seat that Hillary Clinton relinquished to become Sec. of State.) Tedisco, a Republican is currently the minority leader of the NY State Assembly where he has served for the past 27 years. Tedisco is running against a Democrat by the name of Scott Murphy, who is a businessman and political newcomer.The district stretches from the Adirondack Mountains through the Mid-Hudson Valley to about 60 miles north of New York City. The race is widely viewed as the first electoral test of President Obama's popularity and his economic policy. Murphy and national Democrats framed his campaign on the strength of Obama and his economic stimulus plan. Tedisco attacked Murphy for supporting the plan which he said allowed the massive bonuses to AIG. The election took place on Tuesday March 31st and as of today with over 154,000 votes cast it is virtually a dead heat. Reports in the past few days have shown both candidates with the lead but by no more than 50 to 100 votes. It looks like the absentee ballots will decide the race with over 6000 of them having been returned so far. State election officials have agreed to extend the absentee ballot deadline until April 13th instead of the normal April 7th cutoff. As usual both parties are already claiming a victory and hiring lawyers to contest the election, similar to what is going on in Minnesota's contested Senate election between Al Franken and Norm Coleman. (Now over 5 months with no result.) The local papers describe Tedisco as " A picture of state capital politics, with gray streaked hair, dark business suits and tasseled loafers with name recognition on his side. But he has taken heat because he lives outside the district." The district is heavily Republican and carries a voter registration edge of 70,000. Gillibrand was the 1st Democrat in decades to be elected, when she upset scandal tainted incumbent U.S. Rep. John Sweeney. (Who was just arrested again on Sunday for speeding and felony DWI, his 2nd arrest in 18 months.) Once again it looks like Tedisco is going to have to survive an overtime period to win. Incidentally, Tedisco was the player who held all the Union scoring records until Joe Cardany came along and broke them. 

hopefan

Thanks Magic - very interesting read on Jim Tedesco  -  Jim did a great deal for Union Basketball and the RPI-Union rivalry - his presence, coming from one of the local high schools and bringing great noteriety for being a high scorer in hs really buoyed the attendance at Union... the best crowd I ever played in front of AT the little '87 gym at RPI was the Union game my Junior year - we came in with a good record, had senior guard Mike Kramer play the game of his life, and beat Jimmy and the Dutch.  -  Unfortunately, my senior year, it was totally a different story!!!!
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

magicman

hopefan,
Just a follow up on the Jimmy Tedisco congressional race. With nearly all the absentee ballots counted Tedisco had fallen behind Democrat Scott Murphy by more than 400 votes. On Friday April 24th Tedisco conceded and Murphy was sworn in early this week. Tough overtime loss for the former Union player.     

Marty Peretz

Ironically enough, the Sweeny scandal broke when a picture got released of the ex congressman boozing it up at a Union fraternity.

chubbyboybaby

I am hoping to see Brandon Shelton from UMD on the preseason all-american team.  I felt he should have received postseason honors last year, but somehow slipped under the radar.

He scored 549 points (17.7ppg) last year on a team that advanced to the sweet 16.  Lets get him on the list!!  Definitely a player to watch!
GO UMD!

All-around

ANY PREDICTIONS ON PRE-SEASON ALL AMERICANS?