All Americans

[David Collinge]

Swingman Rashawn Smalls of NJCU should receive consideration next year for AA.  He was the NJAC Rookie of the Year, the Atlantic Rookie of the Year and was 2nd team all region I believe, I will double check and I will try to post his stats if I get the time.

##  SUMMARY             GP  GS  Min/G  FG%  3PT%  FT%  Reb/G  Ast/G  Stl  Blk  Pts/G 
21  Rashawn Smalls      24   24  29.0   .429  .378    .522   8.5      1.4    38  18  16.3 

Just as an object lesson, I thought I'd compare this stat line with those of Wooster's Hallowell and OWU's Pellerite, the two players I just dismissed as 2009-10 A-A candidates:

##  SUMMARY             GP  GS  Min/G  FG%  3PT%  FT%  Reb/G  Ast/G  Stl  Blk  Pts/G 
21  Rashawn Smalls      24   24  29.0   .429  .378    .522   8.5      1.4    38  18  16.3
40  Justin Hallowell       29    29  29.2  .498  .514    .879   4.7       1.4   13   12  14.2
33  Pat Pellerite           25    25  23.7  .567  .150*   .757   6.9      1.0    17   13  10.4  (*note: 3 for 20)

I guess all I mean to say is one man's feast is another man's famine.  None of these lines says "All-American" to me, but they might (and, I guess, do) to someone else.

[Ralph Turner]

Swingman Rashawn Smalls of NJCU should receive consideration next year for AA.  He was the NJAC Rookie of the Year, the Atlantic Rookie of the Year and was 2nd team all region I believe, I will double check and I will try to post his stats if I get the time.

##  SUMMARY             GP  GS  Min/G  FG%  3PT%  FT%  Reb/G  Ast/G  Stl  Blk  Pts/G 
21  Rashawn Smalls      24   24  29.0   .429  .378    .522   8.5      1.4    38  18  16.3 

Just as an object lesson, I thought I'd compare this stat line with those of Wooster's Hallowell and OWU's Pellerite, the two players I just dismissed as 2009-10 A-A candidates:

##  SUMMARY             GP  GS  Min/G  FG%  3PT%  FT%  Reb/G  Ast/G  Stl  Blk  Pts/G 
21  Rashawn Smalls      24   24  29.0   .429  .378    .522   8.5      1.4    38  18  16.3
40  Justin Hallowell       29    29  29.2  .498  .514    .879   4.7       1.4   13   12  14.2
33  Pat Pellerite           25    25  23.7  .567  .150*   .757   6.9      1.0    17   13  10.4  (*note: 3 for 20)

I guess all I mean to say is one man's feast is another man's famine.  None of these lines says "All-American" to me, but they might (and, I guess, do) to someone else.

3 for 20 over a season tells me that the opponent's left him out there unguarded because the scouting report said he could not hit the 3FG.

He reassesses his skills and doesn't waste the possession next season. 

[David Collinge]

3 for 20 over a season tells me that the opponent's left him out there unguarded because the scouting report said he could not hit the 3FG.

He reassesses his skills and doesn't waste the possession next season. 

I think it was more generally desperation shots to beat the buzzer.  I saw OWU play ten games this season and honestly can't remember Pellerite attempting a single three.  It's not in his game, and both he and his coach know that.

[Knightstalker]

Swingman Rashawn Smalls of NJCU should receive consideration next year for AA.  He was the NJAC Rookie of the Year, the Atlantic Rookie of the Year and was 2nd team all region I believe, I will double check and I will try to post his stats if I get the time.

##  SUMMARY             GP  GS  Min/G  FG%  3PT%  FT%  Reb/G  Ast/G  Stl  Blk  Pts/G 
21  Rashawn Smalls      24   24  29.0   .429  .378    .522   8.5      1.4    38  18  16.3 

Just as an object lesson, I thought I'd compare this stat line with those of Wooster's Hallowell and OWU's Pellerite, the two players I just dismissed as 2009-10 A-A candidates:

##  SUMMARY             GP  GS  Min/G  FG%  3PT%  FT%  Reb/G  Ast/G  Stl  Blk  Pts/G 
21  Rashawn Smalls      24   24  29.0   .429  .378    .522   8.5      1.4    38  18  16.3
40  Justin Hallowell       29    29  29.2  .498  .514    .879   4.7       1.4   13   12  14.2
33  Pat Pellerite           25    25  23.7  .567  .150*   .757   6.9      1.0    17   13  10.4  (*note: 3 for 20)

I guess all I mean to say is one man's feast is another man's famine.  None of these lines says "All-American" to me, but they might (and, I guess, do) to someone else.

Did not say he was an AA, just should receive consideration.  Best player on a very young team missing Dana John, only one Sr and two JR rest soph and fr.  He was rookie of the week most of the season, received ECAC player of the week honors at least once for the region. 

[Hugenerd]

Well the NABC made their announcements today also, and it is a sweep of all the major awards for Jimmy Bartolotta (Jostens, Cosida/ESPN Mag, d3hoops, and NABC).

Bartolotta named NABC Player of the Year: http://nabc.cstv.com/genrel/032509aaa.html

He gets his award in Detroit on April 5.

Here is the link for other first team selections: http://nabc.cstv.com/genrel/032009aac.html

I think the fact that he swept all of the major awards (I dont think even Ruths did that last year), should quench some of those arguing (if that many people who have actually seen them play are choosing Bartolotta consistently, there has to be some merit to their choice).

[T990]

From reading this

http://mitathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032409aaa.html

apparently we can see Jimmy Bartolotta playing with D1 All Stars at the Final 4 in Detroit (if you have access to the CBS College Sports Network).

"Bartolotta has also been selected to play in the Hershey's College All-Star Game on Friday, April 3, at Ford Field in Detroit. The All-Star Game, which is presented by the NABC, is free to the public and will be televised live on CBS College Sports Network at 4:35 p.m. Bartolotta and Division II National Player of the Year Josh Bostic of Findlay are the only two non-Division I players competing in the game."

[CCIWchamps]

I think the fact that he swept all of the major awards (I dont think even Ruths did that last year), should quench some of those arguing (if that many people who have actually seen them play are choosing Bartolotta consistently, there has to be some merit to their choice).

Fair point, and I hope the voters did actually see him.

[sac]

I think the fact that he swept all of the major awards (I dont think even Ruths did that last year), should quench some of those arguing (if that many people who have actually seen them play are choosing Bartolotta consistently, there has to be some merit to their choice).

Fair point, and I hope the voters did actually see him.

At the risk of resurrecting this skeleton.........why is it you demand the voters see both players in person but not yourself?

[CCIWchamps]

I think the fact that he swept all of the major awards (I dont think even Ruths did that last year), should quench some of those arguing (if that many people who have actually seen them play are choosing Bartolotta consistently, there has to be some merit to their choice).

Fair point, and I hope the voters did actually see him.

At the risk of resurrecting this skeleton.........why is it you demand the voters see both players in person but not yourself?

Easy amigo.  I conceded the point to begin with, didn't I? 
I was more reflecting on what USee posted on the other board about the limited visibility of all D3 players to the entire country.  As Pat himself said, he'd seen Raymond 2x and a "few tapes" of Bartolotta.  And he's the head of the site.  I imagine many more of the voters lean on stats over first hand knowledge, so when hugenerd here says "when people who have actually seen them play..." I'm expressing that I truly hope that is the case. 

I know I don't have 10 years of writing on the boards here, but I promise I'm not an idiot.  You'll probably give me a -k for this post, except you already gave me one today, didn't you?

[sac]

I think the fact that he swept all of the major awards (I dont think even Ruths did that last year), should quench some of those arguing (if that many people who have actually seen them play are choosing Bartolotta consistently, there has to be some merit to their choice).

Fair point, and I hope the voters did actually see him.

At the risk of resurrecting this skeleton.........why is it you demand the voters see both players in person but not yourself?

Easy amigo.  I conceded the point to begin with, didn't I? 
I was more reflecting on what USee posted on the other board about the limited visibility of all D3 players to the entire country.  As Pat himself said, he'd seen Raymond 2x and a "few tapes" of Bartolotta.  And he's the head of the site.  I imagine many more of the voters lean on stats over first hand knowledge, so when hugenerd here says "when people who have actually seen them play..." I'm expressing that I truly hope that is the case. 

I know I don't have 10 years of writing on the boards here, but I promise I'm not an idiot.  You'll probably give me a -k for this post, except you already gave me one today, didn't you?

No I did not and no I won't  , and no one called you an idiot........and you didn't really answer the question.

[Scrub023]

CCIWchamps, your on here too!!??  

[Pat Coleman]

In other words, take this post from another board in regards to the D3Hoops AA Team: ...

OK, honestly, did you quote that post here solely to mislead people or what? Right away, I debunked that understanding with a heavy dose of reality. But you didn't quote that, you quoted someone else's hearsay.

Spare me the BS. You don't like the choice, I get that. But why don't you stay true to your word and stop talking about it already?

[Scrub023]

I finally had time to read most of the hot topics. Maybe its just me, but I think all the "hype" about Kent Raymond has skewed the minds of those who probably have knowledge of the game. CCIWchamps knows what he is talking about, this doesnt make him right, but non the less, he has some points. I will blame those who have risen Kent Raymond status to an unreachable level for CCIWchamps arrogance and false understanding of how good that player really is. I am not saying Kent Raymond isnt a fantastic player, but maybe all the hype and comments regarding him have given people a false understanding of him. Anyone else?

[CCIWchamps]

In other words, take this post from another board in regards to the D3Hoops AA Team: ...

OK, honestly, did you quote that post here solely to mislead people or what? Right away, I debunked that understanding with a heavy dose of reality. But you didn't quote that, you quoted someone else's hearsay.

Spare me the BS. You don't like the choice, I get that. But why don't you stay true to your word and stop talking about it already?

Pat, if you weren't omnipresent I'd swear you were following me. 
What post are you talking about?

[CCIWchamps]

CCIWchamps, your on here too!!??  

Sure.  How'd you find your way over here?