All Americans

[jumpshot]

One pick we all can agree D3Hoops got correct for certain is Nate West as Player of the Year. Young man could have averaged 40 points in the NESCAC, 50 in the Centennial, etc. If you never saw him play in person, find out where he is playing after graduating this June, and go watch. Simply NBA quickness, strong when he gets to the rim even against more than one defender, first choice in most every playground pickup game in the country. Listed at only 5'10"", memorable as Connie Hawkins ....

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Per 40 can work for players on the same team, but you need to adjust for possessions if you're going to compare across teams.  Your per 40 can look great if you have a super up tempo pace.

[Pat Coleman]

Stats of AA forwards vs Mancuso in pts/40 min g/rebs/assists/steals/blocks  # of 5 categories < Mancuso

Mancuso - 24.3/10.7/77/45/48

Looks like some other criteria was used to put those on the AA list ahead of Mancuso.

Yep. I can concur that we never look at anything per 40 minutes.

[Greek Tragedy]

Well, because I'm bored. The experts are consistent, the last two years. They picked 12 preseason AAs that made the postseason list, just like the list this past year.

1st 2019	Team	Pre-Season 2019
Francis	Wheaton IL	2nd
Boots	Oshkosh	HM
Butler	Whitman	4th
Garver	NWU	2nd
Nichols	Keene St	4th
2nd
Ebel	Augustana	3rd
Coplin	Augsburg
Echevarria	Nichols	4th
Raridon	NCC
Bruns	ONU	1st
3rd
Wiley	Swarthmore
Rosenbaum	Pomona-Pitzer
Ross	Springfield	1st
O'Dell	Swarthmore
Carius	Monmouth
4th
DiCanio	Loras
Fails	Hanover	2nd
Gilmour	Hamilton
Jomard	MIT	3rd
Flynn	Oshkosh
HM
Casey	Williams
Rose	IWU
College	Whitworth
Carter	CNU
Toney	NJCU	1st
		Roach-Whitworth-1st
		Hewitt-Whitman-1st
		Duax-Platteville-2nd
		Patron-Plattsburgh-2nd
		Schimonitz-NWU-3rd
		Cook-NWU-3rd
		Heskett-Williams-3rd
		Beckman-Hope-4th
		Freund-Roanoke-4th
		West-LeTourneau-HM
		Mosley-Ill. Tech-HM
		Ruggles-Loras-HM
		Scadlock-Williams-HM

[ronk]

Stats of AA forwards vs Mancuso in pts/40 min g/rebs/assists/steals/blocks  # of 5 categories < Mancuso

Mancuso - 24.3/10.7/77/45/48

Looks like some other criteria was used to put those on the AA list ahead of Mancuso.

Yep. I can concur that we never look at anything per 40 minutes.

What criteria was used that would put any or all of those ahead of Mancuso for AA selection? That was the focus, not that there was a stat of pts/40 min instead of pts/g.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Stats of AA forwards vs Mancuso in pts/40 min g/rebs/assists/steals/blocks  # of 5 categories < Mancuso

Mancuso - 24.3/10.7/77/45/48

Looks like some other criteria was used to put those on the AA list ahead of Mancuso.

Yep. I can concur that we never look at anything per 40 minutes.

What criteria was used that would put any or all of those ahead of Mancuso for AA selection? That was the focus, not that there was a stat of pts/40 min instead of pts/g.

ronk - I know you don't like reading what I write ... but I did explain some of the thinking. Also, we don't use specific criteria. That's like asking what criteria is used in the Top 25 vote.

[thebear]

The other thing that comes to mind, is that some players actually play two positions.  Third team AA Isaiah Brown from Potsdam was really a wing [3] on offense, his game was both perimeter (40 treys) and taking his man to the hoop from the arc.  On defense, because of his length and athleticism he played mostly a power forward [4] (8.6 rebs/27 blocks), but I saw him a lot defending out on the arc (I kept the book, so saw every home game).

Just a thought

[Gregory Sager]

On the third team, Delaney is a PG and Nolan is a scorer; Voelker plays well in the paint.  That fourth team might be off-guard heavy, but it's not like Rhode and Bruton couldn't do the ball-handling duties.

Well, naturally. After all, Jake Rhode isn't an off guard. He is definitely Elmhurst's point guard. There were four or five Bluejays who brought the ball up the floor this year that I saw, but forget about who brings the ball up the floor; as has been made clear in this conversation, that's no longer a true demarcator of who is a point guard and who isn't. Rhode has the ball in his hands about 50% of the time that the 'jays have the ball while he is on the floor in any given Elmhurst game. He runs the offense as well as creating much of it himself. He had 119 assists on the year; Elmhurst's other starting guard, Nick Perry, had 75. Nobody else had more than 61. Rhode is as much of a PG as is anybody else in D3.

[jmcozenlaw]

One pick we all can agree D3Hoops got correct for certain is Nate West as Player of the Year. Young man could have averaged 40 points in the NESCAC, 50 in the Centennial, etc. If you never saw him play in person, find out where he is playing after graduating this June, and go watch. Simply NBA quickness, strong when he gets to the rim even against more than one defender, first choice in most every playground pickup game in the country. Listed at only 5'10"", memorable as Connie Hawkins ....

40 in the NESCAC
50 in the Centennial (THAT'S a good one by the way)

Let me finish the "etc." part for you though.................

60 in the MAC Commonwealth
70 in the AEC
80 in the MAC Freedom
90 in the NEAC

and, in honor of Wilt Chamberlain..............

100 in the ACAA!!!!!!!

I look forward to the Sixers finally moving Ben Simmons to his rightful place at the 4................so that we can place Nate at the 1 for the 2020-2021 season.

GO SIXERS!!!!!

[WUPHF]

The conversation about whether or not teams are moving away from a true point guards is interesting.

Maybe I am confused or may be I am showing how little I know about basketball, but every UAA team this season had 2-3 players who for the most part played recognizably distinct role from everyone else on the court. 

Maybe a little less with Case Western Reserve and Brandeis...

Or maybe it is a matter of degrees.

[Titan Q]

The conversation about whether or not teams are moving away from a true point guards is interesting.

Maybe I am confused or may be I am showing how little I know about basketball, but every UAA team this season had 2-3 players who for the most part played recognizably distinct role from everyone else on the court. 

Maybe a little less with Case Western Reserve and Brandeis...

Or maybe it is a matter of degrees.

Just about every D3 game I watched this year featured teams with guys who clearly played the PG spot.  Some of those PGs were also scorers - like Elmhurst's Jake Rhode - but they were still clearly PGs. 

My own team was an exception to that for the final 4-5 games of the year because both PGs were injured.  IWU had a wing player play PG at the end of the year with several guys on the floor sharing PG responsibilities.

But I haven't noticed a movement away from teams having a clear PG.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The conversation about whether or not teams are moving away from a true point guards is interesting.

Maybe I am confused or may be I am showing how little I know about basketball, but every UAA team this season had 2-3 players who for the most part played recognizably distinct role from everyone else on the court. 

Maybe a little less with Case Western Reserve and Brandeis...

Or maybe it is a matter of degrees.

Just about every D3 game I watched this year featured teams with guys who clearly played the PG spot.  Some of those PGs were also scorers - like Elmhurst's Jake Rhode - but they were still clearly PGs. 

My own team was an exception to that for the final 4-5 games of the year because both PGs were injured.  IWU had a wing player play PG at the end of the year with several guys on the floor sharing PG responsibilities.

But I haven't noticed a movement away from teams having a clear PG.

I've seen it a little, but I agree with much of your point. I have seen some teams shift who is bringing the ball up (besides substitutions dictating decisions) based on ball pressure, different defensive looks, where they want to start the ball, and such. But I agree it hasn't become prevelent.

[Greek Tragedy]

All-Americans from another source. Read his criteria too before complaining. LOL

https://thatd3guy.wixsite.com/thatd3guy/post/2020-division-iii-all-americans

[jmcozenlaw]

One pick we all can agree D3Hoops got correct for certain is Nate West as Player of the Year. Young man could have averaged 40 points in the NESCAC, 50 in the Centennial, etc. If you never saw him play in person, find out where he is playing after graduating this June, and go watch. Simply NBA quickness, strong when he gets to the rim even against more than one defender, first choice in most every playground pickup game in the country. Listed at only 5'10"", memorable as Connie Hawkins ....

40 in the NESCAC
50 in the Centennial (THAT'S a good one by the way)

Let me finish the "etc." part for you though.................

60 in the MAC Commonwealth
70 in the AEC
80 in the MAC Freedom
90 in the NEAC

and, in honor of Wilt Chamberlain..............

100 in the ACAA!!!!!!!

I look forward to the Sixers finally moving Ben Simmons to his rightful place at the 4................so that we can place Nate at the 1 for the 2020-2021 season.

GO SIXERS!!!!!

Let's slip in a 95 in the NACC

[Greek Tragedy]

Demers averaged 32.4
Bruton averaged 23.0
Brown averaged 21.6

I think West could do pretty well in the CCC...a gold mine for fantasy owners.