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One pick we all can agree D3Hoops got correct for certain is Nate West as Player of the Year. Young man could have averaged 40 points in the NESCAC, 50 in the Centennial, etc. If you never saw him play in person, find out where he is playing after graduating this June, and go watch. Simply NBA quickness, strong when he gets to the rim even against more than one defender, first choice in most every playground pickup game in the country. Listed at only 5'10"", memorable as Connie Hawkins ....

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Per 40 can work for players on the same team, but you need to adjust for possessions if you're going to compare across teams.  Your per 40 can look great if you have a super up tempo pace.
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Pat Coleman

Quote from: ronk on March 26, 2020, 11:56:14 AM
Stats of AA forwards vs Mancuso in pts/40 min g/rebs/assists/steals/blocks  # of 5 categories < Mancuso

Mancuso - 24.3/10.7/77/45/48

Looks like some other criteria was used to put those on the AA list ahead of Mancuso.

Yep. I can concur that we never look at anything per 40 minutes.
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Well, because I'm bored. The experts are consistent, the last two years. They picked 12 preseason AAs that made the postseason list, just like the list this past year.



   1st 2019      Team      Pre-Season 2019   
   Francis      Wheaton IL      2nd   
   Boots      Oshkosh      HM   
   Butler      Whitman      4th   
   Garver      NWU      2nd   
   Nichols      Keene St      4th   
                  
   2nd               
   Ebel      Augustana      3rd   
   Coplin      Augsburg         
   Echevarria      Nichols      4th   
   Raridon      NCC         
   Bruns      ONU      1st   
                  
   3rd               
   Wiley      Swarthmore         
   Rosenbaum      Pomona-Pitzer         
   Ross      Springfield      1st   
   O'Dell      Swarthmore         
   Carius      Monmouth         
                  
   4th               
   DiCanio      Loras         
   Fails      Hanover      2nd   
   Gilmour      Hamilton         
   Jomard      MIT      3rd   
   Flynn      Oshkosh         
                  
   HM               
   Casey      Williams          
   Rose        IWU         
   College      Whitworth         
   Carter      CNU         
   Toney      NJCU      1st   
                  
               Roach-Whitworth-1st   
               Hewitt-Whitman-1st   
                  
               Duax-Platteville-2nd   
               Patron-Plattsburgh-2nd   
                  
               Schimonitz-NWU-3rd   
               Cook-NWU-3rd   
               Heskett-Williams-3rd   
                  
               Beckman-Hope-4th   
               Freund-Roanoke-4th   
                  
               West-LeTourneau-HM   
               Mosley-Ill. Tech-HM   
               Ruggles-Loras-HM   
               Scadlock-Williams-HM   
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ronk

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Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 26, 2020, 11:56:14 AM
Stats of AA forwards vs Mancuso in pts/40 min g/rebs/assists/steals/blocks  # of 5 categories < Mancuso

Mancuso - 24.3/10.7/77/45/48

Looks like some other criteria was used to put those on the AA list ahead of Mancuso.

Yep. I can concur that we never look at anything per 40 minutes.

What criteria was used that would put any or all of those ahead of Mancuso for AA selection? That was the focus, not that there was a stat of pts/40 min instead of pts/g.

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Quote from: ronk on March 26, 2020, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 26, 2020, 11:56:14 AM
Stats of AA forwards vs Mancuso in pts/40 min g/rebs/assists/steals/blocks  # of 5 categories < Mancuso

Mancuso - 24.3/10.7/77/45/48

Looks like some other criteria was used to put those on the AA list ahead of Mancuso.

Yep. I can concur that we never look at anything per 40 minutes.

What criteria was used that would put any or all of those ahead of Mancuso for AA selection? That was the focus, not that there was a stat of pts/40 min instead of pts/g.

ronk - I know you don't like reading what I write ... but I did explain some of the thinking. Also, we don't use specific criteria. That's like asking what criteria is used in the Top 25 vote.
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thebear

The other thing that comes to mind, is that some players actually play two positions.  Third team AA Isaiah Brown from Potsdam was really a wing [3] on offense, his game was both perimeter (40 treys) and taking his man to the hoop from the arc.  On defense, because of his length and athleticism he played mostly a power forward [4] (8.6 rebs/27 blocks), but I saw him a lot defending out on the arc (I kept the book, so saw every home game).

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Gregory Sager

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 25, 2020, 11:44:24 AMOn the third team, Delaney is a PG and Nolan is a scorer; Voelker plays well in the paint.  That fourth team might be off-guard heavy, but it's not like Rhode and Bruton couldn't do the ball-handling duties.

Well, naturally. After all, Jake Rhode isn't an off guard. He is definitely Elmhurst's point guard. There were four or five Bluejays who brought the ball up the floor this year that I saw, but forget about who brings the ball up the floor; as has been made clear in this conversation, that's no longer a true demarcator of who is a point guard and who isn't. Rhode has the ball in his hands about 50% of the time that the 'jays have the ball while he is on the floor in any given Elmhurst game. He runs the offense as well as creating much of it himself. He had 119 assists on the year; Elmhurst's other starting guard, Nick Perry, had 75. Nobody else had more than 61. Rhode is as much of a PG as is anybody else in D3.
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jmcozenlaw

Quote from: jumpshot on March 26, 2020, 02:37:37 PM
One pick we all can agree D3Hoops got correct for certain is Nate West as Player of the Year. Young man could have averaged 40 points in the NESCAC, 50 in the Centennial, etc. If you never saw him play in person, find out where he is playing after graduating this June, and go watch. Simply NBA quickness, strong when he gets to the rim even against more than one defender, first choice in most every playground pickup game in the country. Listed at only 5'10"", memorable as Connie Hawkins ....

40 in the NESCAC
50 in the Centennial (THAT'S a good one by the way) ;)

Let me finish the "etc." part for you though.................

60 in the MAC Commonwealth
70 in the AEC
80 in the MAC Freedom
90 in the NEAC

and, in honor of Wilt Chamberlain..............

100 in the ACAA!!!!!!!

I look forward to the Sixers finally moving Ben Simmons to his rightful place at the 4................so that we can place Nate at the 1 for the 2020-2021 season.

GO SIXERS!!!!! :)

WUPHF

The conversation about whether or not teams are moving away from a true point guards is interesting.

Maybe I am confused or may be I am showing how little I know about basketball, but every UAA team this season had 2-3 players who for the most part played recognizably distinct role from everyone else on the court. 

Maybe a little less with Case Western Reserve and Brandeis...

Or maybe it is a matter of degrees.

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Quote from: WUPHF on March 27, 2020, 01:44:04 PM
The conversation about whether or not teams are moving away from a true point guards is interesting.

Maybe I am confused or may be I am showing how little I know about basketball, but every UAA team this season had 2-3 players who for the most part played recognizably distinct role from everyone else on the court. 

Maybe a little less with Case Western Reserve and Brandeis...

Or maybe it is a matter of degrees.

Just about every D3 game I watched this year featured teams with guys who clearly played the PG spot.  Some of those PGs were also scorers - like Elmhurst's Jake Rhode - but they were still clearly PGs. 

My own team was an exception to that for the final 4-5 games of the year because both PGs were injured.  IWU had a wing player play PG at the end of the year with several guys on the floor sharing PG responsibilities.

But I haven't noticed a movement away from teams having a clear PG.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Titan Q on March 27, 2020, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 27, 2020, 01:44:04 PM
The conversation about whether or not teams are moving away from a true point guards is interesting.

Maybe I am confused or may be I am showing how little I know about basketball, but every UAA team this season had 2-3 players who for the most part played recognizably distinct role from everyone else on the court. 

Maybe a little less with Case Western Reserve and Brandeis...

Or maybe it is a matter of degrees.

Just about every D3 game I watched this year featured teams with guys who clearly played the PG spot.  Some of those PGs were also scorers - like Elmhurst's Jake Rhode - but they were still clearly PGs. 

My own team was an exception to that for the final 4-5 games of the year because both PGs were injured.  IWU had a wing player play PG at the end of the year with several guys on the floor sharing PG responsibilities.

But I haven't noticed a movement away from teams having a clear PG.

I've seen it a little, but I agree with much of your point. I have seen some teams shift who is bringing the ball up (besides substitutions dictating decisions) based on ball pressure, different defensive looks, where they want to start the ball, and such. But I agree it hasn't become prevelent.
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All-Americans from another source. Read his criteria too before complaining. LOL

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jmcozenlaw

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 27, 2020, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: jumpshot on March 26, 2020, 02:37:37 PM
One pick we all can agree D3Hoops got correct for certain is Nate West as Player of the Year. Young man could have averaged 40 points in the NESCAC, 50 in the Centennial, etc. If you never saw him play in person, find out where he is playing after graduating this June, and go watch. Simply NBA quickness, strong when he gets to the rim even against more than one defender, first choice in most every playground pickup game in the country. Listed at only 5'10"", memorable as Connie Hawkins ....

40 in the NESCAC
50 in the Centennial (THAT'S a good one by the way) ;)

Let me finish the "etc." part for you though.................

60 in the MAC Commonwealth
70 in the AEC
80 in the MAC Freedom
90 in the NEAC

and, in honor of Wilt Chamberlain..............

100 in the ACAA!!!!!!!

I look forward to the Sixers finally moving Ben Simmons to his rightful place at the 4................so that we can place Nate at the 1 for the 2020-2021 season.

GO SIXERS!!!!! :)

Let's slip in a 95 in the NACC ;)

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Demers averaged 32.4
Bruton averaged 23.0
Brown averaged 21.6

I think West could do pretty well in the CCC...a gold mine for fantasy owners.
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