All Americans

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

But that alone (the assumption that all regions are identical in bball talent)  disqualifies the NABC AA list from being taken seriously, IMO.

No argument there, I just wanted to point out that even the NABC wouldn't have been dumb enough to list 24 players on straight merit without putting Freeman in there somewhere.

[Titan Q]

Was thinking about preseason All-Americans, and as far as a 1st Team, I think I'd go with...

G Andrew Olsen (Amherst)
G James Cooper (Wooster)
G Kent Raymond (Wheaton)
F Troy Ruths (Wash U)
C Ben Strong (Guilford)

[keith45]

Was thinking about preseason All-Americans, and as far as a 1st Team, I think I'd go with...

G Andrew Olsen (Amherst)
G James Cooper (Wooster)
G Kent Raymond (Wheaton)
F Troy Ruths (Wash U)
C Ben Strong (Guilford)

Admittedly havent seen a ton of Raymond, but is he slightly overrated? I'd almost take Larry Welton as the 2nd forward in that group..thoughts? I think his numbers slipped last year, but imo he was playing with another all american, in Darrick Leonard

[Titan Q]

Was thinking about preseason All-Americans, and as far as a 1st Team, I think I'd go with...

G Andrew Olsen (Amherst)
G James Cooper (Wooster)
G Kent Raymond (Wheaton)
F Troy Ruths (Wash U)
C Ben Strong (Guilford)

Admittedly havent seen a ton of Raymond, but is he slightly overrated? I'd almost take Larry Welton as the 2nd forward in that group..thoughts? I think his numbers slipped last year, but imo he was playing with another all american, in Darrick Leonard

I don't think Kent Raymond is overrated -- I think there is a very good chance he is the best player in Division III.  As a CCIW fan, I have seen several All-Americans play in recent years.  Guys like Adam Dauksas (IWU), Rick Harrigan (Augustana), Keelan Amelianovich (IWU), Antoine McDaniel (Carthage), Drew Carstens (Augustana), Chris Martin (Elmhurst), Korey Coon (IWU) and many others.  I have also been fortunate to see other superstars across the country like Nick Bennett (UW-Stevens Point), Steve Cramer (Hope), Michael Crotty (Williams), etc.  I think Raymond has a chance to be about as good as any Division III perimeter player I have ever seen.

Raymond (a combo guard) and Larry Welton (a 3/4) play totally different positions, but in terms of who I'd put on the 1st Team if between the two, I'd pick Raymond.

Darrick Leonard is talented, but I don't think he's close to being an All-American.

[keith45]

Was thinking about preseason All-Americans, and as far as a 1st Team, I think I'd go with...

G Andrew Olsen (Amherst)
G James Cooper (Wooster)
G Kent Raymond (Wheaton)
F Troy Ruths (Wash U)
C Ben Strong (Guilford)

Admittedly havent seen a ton of Raymond, but is he slightly overrated? I'd almost take Larry Welton as the 2nd forward in that group..thoughts? I think his numbers slipped last year, but imo he was playing with another all american, in Darrick Leonard

I don't think Kent Raymond is overrated -- I think there is a very good chance he is the best player in Division III.  As a CCIW fan, I have seen several All-Americans play in recent years.  Guys like Adam Dauksas (IWU), Rick Harrigan (Augustana), Keelan Amelianovich (IWU), Antoine McDaniel (Carthage), Drew Carstens (Augustana), Chris Martin (Elmhurst), Korey Coon (IWU) and many others.  I have also been fortunate to see other superstars across the country like Nick Bennett (UW-Stevens Point), Steve Cramer (Hope), Michael Crotty (Williams), etc.  I think Raymond has a chance to be about as good as any Division III perimeter player I have ever seen.

Raymond (a combo guard) and Larry Welton (a 3/4) play totally different positions, but in terms of who I'd put on the 1st Team if between the two, I'd pick Raymond.

Darrick Leonard is talented, but I don't think he's close to being an All-American.

Based on the names you threw out there as comparisions, I'll make an attempt to see more of Raymond this year..again, based on limited exposure to him, and seeing that Wheaton went 17-9, 9-5 in conference (albeit one of the top D3 conferences if not THE top D3 conference), averaging 22 and 4 and 3 asst on a team that almost had 6 double digit scorers, nothing jumped out at me to say, 1st team all american..

I may have over spoke concerning Leonard, my point is that he was the best player Welton has played with (imo) and as such, took some scoring and playmaking opportunities away from him.
Thanks for the reply

[Greek Tragedy]

I saw Larry Welton twice last year, a loss at Wisconsin Lutheran and the loss vs. Calvin in the NCAA tourney and he didn't impress me in either game.  It's only two times, and considering Welton was 1st NAC All Conference, 1st team All-Region All-American, and 2nd team (NABC) and 3rd team (d3hoops) All-American, I could have just seen his worst two games! 

[keith45]

I saw Larry Welton twice last year, a loss at Wisconsin Lutheran and the loss vs. Calvin in the NCAA tourney and he didn't impress me in either game.  It's only two times, and considering Welton was 1st NAC All Conference, 1st team All-Region All-American, and 2nd team (NABC) and 3rd team (d3hoops) All-American, I could have just seen his worst two games! 

You are bad luck!!! If AU makes the NCAA's again and is lucky enough to host, I'm not getting you tickets and you are banned from the gym!!! lol

[beachcv]

Now that we are almost at the mid-point of the regular season, who would be on your All American Team?

[Greek Tragedy]

I merged.

[WolfPAC]

If Cabrini College's Glenn Washington could strengthen his defense he may have a shot as well.

[Cards7580]

Anthony Williams of SUNY Plattsburgh.

Travis Gorham of SUNY Plattsburgh.   2nd, 3rd or HM.

[Pat Coleman]

I know he's good but with nearly 2,000 starting men's basketball players and only 25 all-american slots any one school is highly unlikely to get two.

[LogShow]

I know he's good but with nearly 2,000 starting men's basketball players and only 25 all-american slots any one school is highly unlikely to get two.

I think that has happened though. Wasn't Bennet and Kaslow from UW-Stevens Point both 1st teamers?

[Ralph Turner]

I know he's good but with nearly 2,000 starting men's basketball players and only 25 all-american slots any one school is highly unlikely to get two.

I think that has happened though. Wasn't Bennet and Kaslow from UW-Stevens Point both 1st teamers?

Yes, in 2005.

In 2006,  Dauskas and Amelianovich from Illinois Wesleyan made it.

The common denominator is Final Four appearances by their respective teams.

[magicman]

I know he's good but with nearly 2,000 starting men's basketball players and only 25 all-american slots any one school is highly unlikely to get two.

Pat

You're right . That is tough to accomplish, but wasn't  Anthony Williams D3hoops pre-season all-american 2nd team and Travis Gorham pre-season honorable mention? I seem to remember reading that in a press release back in November. Both these guys have shown up big time every game this year and Williams ability to hit the game changing or game winning shot time and time again is amazing. Usually it's a 3 pointer from NBA distance as he did once more Tuesday night at Middlebury. He's averaging 23.5 pts. a game with his lowest output a 15 pt. effort. Gorham leads the SUNYAC conference in rebounding and is averaging a double double for the season. Neither player has done anything to make those pre-season picks look bad.