Empire 8

[UCgrad45]

"Clear/UCgrad interpretation of my argument: Utica can't beat Ithaca in Ithaca.
GB15's actual argument: Utica, in the past, has not played well at Ithaca."

Wouldn't want to be one to actually bring up what you said, however:

"not upset about the "drubbing" Ithaca received at Utica. Doesn't that happen every year followed by Ithaca beating Utica in the Bulb? That's pretty much set in stone, isn't it?"

[the bird man]

"Fisher players know that Utica can beat them"...UCgrad45

well I suppose that is true since any team that they play could beat them...I personally know some players on the Fisher team and they all feel the same way. Although, they respect every team in the E8, and take all of the teams they play seriously, they all feel that if they play well, no one in the E8 can beat them...I know they take Utica seriously as a possible upset game, but I think they all know that they can/should handle them.

[fisheralum91]

Let's just get on with it!

I hope for  UC/SJF final.

Fisher by 5 in that one BTW.

[gobombers15]

I'd obviously love to reply to every retort that comes my way, but unfortunately school is not conducive to that. I've said my piece, the people whose opinions I value know my takes on various subjects. However, I find it necessary to respond when people pretty much change something I say to fit their argument. That's all.

I think you'd have a hard time saying I have a difficult time admitting Ray Bryant is the best player in the conference when I said he'd likely win E8 POY. Did you miss those posts a few pages back? That said, I DON'T think he's the best player in the league. He's right up there, but I'd take O'Brien over any player in this league. I think a lot of posters would.

I am level-headed even when things aren't going my way. Look at the most obvious situation: I could have completely bailed on Tulane and New Orleans after what happened and after the way the administration handled the situation and the students (horribly is a nice word for it). But I'm back. I think that's a better example of how people "handle things" in life than any wins or losses in a D3 game. Even so, Ithaca has been a mediocre, .500 team for the last three seasons. I pretty much knew they were going to be the same coming into this year. It's hard to be upset when your expectations are met. Going into the E8 tourney, I had them being at 14-11 at the beginning of the season. They're going to be 13-12. Not too far off.

Anyways, to move on from this whole ordeal, I agree with the Bird Man; if Fisher plays their game, they'll win this tourney. That's not a shot against any other team, but I think it's been proven that you have to be playing your best to even have a shot at them, and even then it's not a guarantee.

Predictions for tomorrow:

Ithaca 78 Elmira 54 (not gloating, just predicting)

Utica 76 Hartwick 57 (likely no Cocozziello)

Tune-ups.

[dewcrew88]

Must be the "Ghetto" in me. There is a huge difference between saying that you dont see Utica fans saying things like that, which you dont, and actually picking on those who do. Seeing that my life has been affected more than you could ever imagine because of the Suicide of a former Utica College basketball center, I'd say that its safe to say that I most certainly did not poke fun at it. Talk about twisting words.

UCGrad,
What Utica College player are you talking about? I am pretty in with UC athletics, so I think I would have heard something if it happened recently. If you don't want to post it on here, please PM me... I wondered if I may know the person if it was a recent UC student (within the last 5 years.)

[clearconceit]

MadHawk are u going to be there tonight?  Let me know if you will be there.  I will be in the front row cheering on the boys!

  GB says anything and all of his cronies jump on like he is ome sort of geniuos.  It's like a juvenile board where he can fart and all the 3rd graders thinks its really funny.
Get a grip on life brother. 
You are going to be a great lawyer because you twist the facts with your words.

Great job!  By the way it is good to see that you are happy with a middle of the road program.  Atleast you can't be disappointed with mediocrity.  And (MadHawk you'll love this one, did you know that Hartwick's last league win was 2 years ago against yep you guessed it, PATHETIC ITHACA.

And I have some very dear friends from Ithaca and would never be so immature to attack a town.  That is assinine.

And last, yes I think we can beat Fisher and that is the goal.  If we don't do it, it will be a disappointment.  I guess that is the difference between us.  Your program is mediocre and our's is rising far above mediocrity.

Go Pioneers!

And please may we play Ithaca again to beat them silly for the 3rd time.  And by the way dumbass, basketball is a game of runs and that little run you are talking about was the game.  How much basketball have you watched in your lifetime?  RUNS are a big part of the game my man - wake up.

Peace

[dewcrew88]

GB says anything and all of his cronies jump on like he is ome sort of geniuos.  It's like a juvenile board where he can fart and all the 3rd graders thinks its really funny.

Come on clear, everybody knows that farts are ALWAYS funny.

[col]

My housemate says they aren't funny when he's eating, but I still seem to laugh each time.

[superman57]

ok so to change the pace.  This is my Fisher Index.  I am going to rank every team with what I have seen.  Meaning when they played fisher.  please tear it apart and comment

1)Fisher
2)Naz-Always a close game, if they played every game this way they would be in the E8 tourny and a threat.
3)Alfred-Same as Naz always plays fisher close works hard and is very athletic
4)Ithaca-the next 3 could all be interchangeable all 3 looked similar to each other in there games against fisher
5)Utica
6)RIT
7)Elmira
8)Hartwick

[clearconceit]

Fisher
Utica
RIT
Ithaca
Hartwick
Naz
Alfred
Elmira

Peace

[fisheralum91]

Fisher
Utica
RIT
Ithaca
Alfred
Naz
Hartwick
Elmira

[gobombers15]

First off, can I get an interpreter to explain to me what Clear just wrote earlier. Whatever it was, it surely isn't English. Who said I was happy with a "mediocre" program? Do you not see where I imply that Mullins should be fired, oh, every single week? I've said on a number of occasions, considering Ithaca has BY FAR the best athletics program in this conference(when thinking about the difference between UC's and IC's athletic programs think about the difference between ordering a hamburger or a filet in a restaurant) and one of the tops in D3, there is no reason that one of its marquee sports should be this consistently average. Not when so many of its teams are consistently in the top 25 in almost every sport, year-in and year-out, and when its women's counterpart has dominated this conference for so long (by "so long," I mean since I got to school in 2000), with the exception of this season's rebuilding year.

By the way, Clear, way to reference a basketball game that happened over two years ago to support your point. If you beat Ithaca by six points again like you did Friday night, are you gonna claim that you "beat them silly?"

Anyways, as much as I like to destroy Clear, I'm not sure how people can rank RIT ahead of Ithaca considering the Bombers swept them. Ithaca dominated them in The Bulb then used a big second half run to beat the Tigers at Clark. Also, I know Fisher/Naz is a rivalry, but I'm not sure how Superman can rank a team 2nd (as he did with Naz) that got swept by Hartwick of all teams. If anything, doesn't that basically relegate you automatically to the bottom half of the league. I think it stacks up exactly how it finished, 14 games is enough of a sample:

Fisher
Utica
Ithaca
RIT
Alfred
Naz
Hartwick
Elmira

[bamm]

I think Superman was simply ranking teams according to how they played in games he saw, AKA: against Fisher.  So that explains his wacky list.  I agree with you GB15 that it doesn't make sense to rank the teams in any order but how they stack up in the standings after 14 games.  However, just want to clear up something about RIT/Ithaca @ the Bulb.  The final score was very one-sided, but that's because (your friend Caz Bombers cleared this up for me) RIT lost their lead with about 10 minutes left and never scored another field goal.  I think the score of their game @RIT is a much more accurate reflection of how those teams compare.

[gobombers15]

You're probably right. In no way am I saying Ithaca is better than RIT by double-digits. If they played 10 times I bet the difference would probably be single-digits 8 or 9 of those times.

[col]

Despite Ithaca beating RIT twice (nice wins) I think RIT should be a better team. (Do have a better record)  I'm biased and I think they're better.  However, a simple list is no way to rank teams.  I am immature and basically just a little child, so this is how I think the league stacks up...

• Fisher - Hershey Kiss: A lot of star power, regarded in general as the best and always have the biggest sales in the end. But I've never personally liked them.


• Utica - Nerds: Clearly a favorite and you have to love the dual flavor box of Cichon/Bryant (green/purple) which has a lot of scoring power.


• RIT - Mamba: Can be AGONIZINGly difficult to open needing to go through three layers of wrapping, but it stole my heart and I'll always love that candy.


• Ithaca - Astro Pop: Amazing candy, kids love it, tastes great but has one problem.  Always gets stuck to your teeth near the end, and that's just enough to keep it from winning a playoff game.


• Alfred - Swedish Fish: Great candy when fresh, like friday night, but there are too many issues.  Gets stale too easily or will bind together if left above room temperature.


• Naz - Warheads: Have the potential to put up HUGE flavor and really blow another candy away.  People do love them but after two your tounge will really get raw, which will always result in a dissapointing finally. Year, after year, after year.


• Hartwick - Necco Candy Wafers: Only the white and blue wafer has a resonable taste and I will eat them from time to time.  Overall this candy is crappy and is actually manufactured stale.


• Elmira - Mary Jane: Have not witnessed either of these in the last two years, and hoping to add another two years onto the streak.