Empire 8

[Caz Bombers]

Yeah, Ricco, I'll second GB15's take.  Lake Erie has looked decent early but history suggests their league isn't good and they're probably not either.  Not much to go on, I know, but I'd take SJF by 15-20.

Either Lincoln or RMC would be a great test for Fisher, both probably far better than anyone else in NY w/ the possible exception of UR.  My guess is RMC will beat Lincoln narrowly on their home floor, then beat Fisher by about 3 points.  I'd like to see SJF come away with a couple statement wins though for the E8's sake.

RespectTheHawks....congratulations on salting away the 2005-06 Empire 8 Unintentional Comedy Championship this early in the year.  You came out focused and ready to go with some truly ludicrous statements and you show no signs of slowing down.  RespectRespectTheHawks.  Too bad your season has 2 more wins in it, tops.

[Jukebox Hero]

Random thought:

GB15 is right...Prince WOULD be the best player on 'Wick.

[the bird man]

looking over fisher's schedule the next 4 games I believe are crucial to the team, as far as the national rankings and a possible at large bid to NCAA's, givin an upset in the empire 8 tourny.

Having said that I agree with gobombers15, that the only games that matter are the empire8 league games and the conference tournament. My opinion is obviously biased but I think on talent alone fisher should be able to win the league and the conference tourny if it is on fisher's home floor (one loss at home in the last 4 years to Hamilton in the NCAA tourny).

I was wondering how everyone except respect the hawks feels about fisher's chances to win the league, and how deep they think Fisher can go in the tourny?
Basically, how good do they think the team really is?


GO Cards...

[hawks1323]

Tuesday, December 6th

Vassar @ Hartwick*, 7pm
Skidmore @ Utica, 7pm
St. John Fisher @ Fredonia, 7:30pm
Pitt Bradford @ Elmira, 7:30pm
Cortland @ Ithaca, 8pm
Geneseo @ Alfred, 8pm
Nazareth @ Oswego, 8pm

*Game of the night


Thoughts:

Vassar @ Hartwick, 7pm

Vassar (5-1) is coming off a victory against SUNY-Purchase. Hartwick (3-1) is having a great start to their season. This will be the Hawks toughest match up so far this season. They are coming of a convincing win against Skidmore last week. . Hartwick will try to go 4-1, thus doubling there past win percentage.

Skidmore @ Utica, 7pm

Skidmore (2-3) is coming off a loss to Connecticut College. Utica (3-1) is also coming off a loss against Union. Utica will try to get back in the win column. This will be an interesting non conference contest.

St. John Fisher @ Fredonia, 7:30pm

St John Fisher (2-1) is coming off a win against. Fredonia (2-4) is coming off an overtime loss to Oneonta State. Fredonia will go for the upset, while Fisher will try to go 3-1.

Pitt Bradford @ Elmira, 7:30pm

Pitt Bradford (3-3) is coming off an overtime loss against Pitt-Greensburg. Elmira (2-3) is coming off a victory against Clarkson. This game could go either way, should be an interesting one.

Cortland @ Ithaca, 8pm

Cortland (5-1) is coming off a victory against Alfred. Ithaca (0-4) on the other hand is struggling so far this season. Tonight's game is the home opener for the Bombers. The Bombers will try not to go (0-5) on the season. A loss could be devastating to the program, as it will no doubt create some fan dissension.


Geneseo @ Alfred, 8pm

Geneseo (2-3) is coming off a win against Plattsburg. Alfred (2-3) is coming off a loss to Cortland. Alfred will try to get back in the win column tonight. This will be an interesting non conference contest

Nazareth @ Oswego, 8pm

Oswego (5-0) is coming off a victory against Brockport. Nazareth (2-2) is coming off a win against Pitt-Bradford. This could be a tough game for the Golden Flyers. Oswego will look to continue their undefeated streak.

RIT, is off tonight.

That is all folks. After all this is a free message board and I can only do son much pro-bono work.

How is the Holiday shopping going? Christmas is only 19 days away!

For those students out there, good luck on finals!

Ciao for now!

[gobombers15]

Well, we know another thing about RTH, he definitely is not a writer or journalism major. Hey RTH, could you say "coming off" or "folks" anymore? You call that "analysis?" You  said what each team did in their last game, what their record is and included a few moronic/ignorant comments. Let the fun begin.

Tuesday, December 6th

Vassar @ Hartwick*, 7pm
Skidmore @ Utica, 7pm
St. John Fisher @ Fredonia, 7:30pm
Pitt Bradford @ Elmira, 7:30pm
Cortland @ Ithaca, 8pm
Geneseo @ Alfred, 8pm
Nazareth @ Oswego, 8pm

*Game of the night

Hartwick and Vassar is not the game of the night, bud. Just because two teams have good records(temporarily) doesn't mean anything. The quality of the basketball will be low. Sure, it'll be a close game but if the basketball isn't good, why watch? If the Texans played the Jets right now, it'd be a close game but would anyone dub that game the "game of the week." That it may be close, however, doesn't change the fact that nobody would give a rat's ass about the game. The only game less prominent than Hartwick/Vassar tonight is Pitt/Bradford.

Real Game of the Night: Nazareth at Oswego, followed by Cortland at Ithaca.

Tuesday, December 6th

Cortland @ Ithaca, 8pm

Cortland (5-1) is coming off a victory against Alfred. Ithaca (0-4) on the other hand is struggling so far this season. Tonight's game is the home opener for the Bombers. The Bombers will try not to go (0-5) on the season. A loss could be devastating to the program, as it will no doubt create some fan dissension.

That assumes people on the Ithaca campus actually care about the basketball team. Other than about 100 core fans, most on Ithaca's campus only think one athletic event takes place each year: The Cortaca Jug. There will be no dissension because that implies people care enough. This isn't D1, RTH, nobody is gonna start a firejimmullins.com(though I have thought about trying it). Ithacans are too worried about recycling to notice the team is doing poorly.

Tuesday, December 6th

St. John Fisher @ Fredonia, 7:30pm

St John Fisher (2-1) is coming off a win against. Fredonia (2-4) is coming off an overtime loss to Oneonta State. Fredonia will go for the upset, while Fisher will try to go 3-1. 

Fisher is coming off a win against...really? Fredonia is going for the upset? Fisher is trying to go to 3-1? You mean, both teams are trying to win that game? What insight! Tell me more! Like why do white people like Wayne Brady so much?

Tuesday, December 6th

Nazareth @ Oswego, 8pm

Oswego (5-0) is coming off a victory against Brockport. Nazareth (2-2) is coming off a win against Pitt-Bradford. This could be a tough game for the Golden Flyers. Oswego will look to continue their undefeated streak.

Hold up. You're telling me that playing on the road against a very good, senior-laden, undefeated team could be a tough game for a young, .500 team? Wow, you're relentless at getting to the bottom of things.

But thanks for the pro-bono work. However, I think most of the posters are going to start a fund soon to pay you to stop posting.

[gobombers15]

Cortland closes the first half with a quick 7-1 spurt and takes the lead going into halftime, 28-23.

[hawks1323]

Folks, Hartwick dropped a tough game tonight against an impressive Vassar squad. The final was 65-55. It by far a butt kicking, but just enough to send a message to the young Hartwick squad that prosperity comes easy in DIII hoops. We will see how the Hawks will react Thursday night against Bard and this weekend in the Holiday Inn Tip Off.

Before, everyone get all over me. Please understand that I never guarenteed a win tonight or even this week (not to mention the entire season). What I have been saying is the Hartwick Hawks are in a much better position to win games against more talented team.

Well it looks like Ithaca has fallen to (0-5) on the season after a heartbreaking loss to Cortland. Yes, you are not drunk Folks. That is right, there are no wins in the win column. I haven't made a typo or am trying to pull a prank. It is freakin reality.

I heard that Friday night will be Pocahontas Babble Head Night at Ithaca. The first 100 people who enter Ben Light Gymnasium will receive this door prize. Rumor is GoBombers15 will be camping outside the night before to be the first person in line. 

More later.

[gobombers15]

Yes, Cortland defeated Ithaca, 57-55. It was a hard-fought game throughout. Cortland maintained the lead for the entire game as its advantage fluctuated between two and seven points in the 2nd half. Seemingly every instance in which Ithaca brought it to within a bucket, Cortland responded with a 3-pointer or big shot to quiet the crowd. RTH can run his mouth as much as he wants, but Ithaca has lost three tough games(2,4,6) against teams much better than Vassar. Enjoy your last win of the season against Bard, RTH. It's all downhill from there, buddy.

By the way, I think my estimation of the Games of the Night were a bit closer than yours(Cortland nips Ithaca, 57-55...and Oswego hangs on against Naz, 68-66).

In other E8 news...

Fisher        76
Fredonia    67

Closer than I thought it would/should be.

Utica            83
Skidmarks    49

Still think Skidmore is good, RTH?

Pitt-Bradford  75
Elmira            65

Yaaawwwwn. Though it looks like Elmira will be better than Hartwick, after all.

I can't wait for Ithaca to put it on Hartwick twice this year. It's going to be fannnnntastic.

[the bird man]

Impressive losses for Naz and Ithaca. I saw Cortland play against Elmira earlier this year and they look to be a solid team. Naz hangs in with a tough Oswego team.

What can ya say about the Utica score...wow.

The Fisher score may be a little bit deciving. Fredonia did not get within 10 in the 2nd half. Also Fisher was ahead by about 15 at the half. I did not see the game but I checked out the play by play on the fredonia site. Still think that Fisher should have been able to extend the lead in the 2nd half, but still not all bad.

Hartwick, well they suck...

[Caz Bombers]

Vassar is not impressive, RTH.  Vassar is just as bad as they always are, last or next to last in the LL.

Yeah, Ithaca's 0-5.  We're not very good.  In fact, we may be downright lousy.  However, RtheH,  there is no way, no chance, nada, zero, that Hartwick would have won a game playing IC's schedule either.  Your proof will come next month when Cortland beats you by 25-30.

I have no interest in pumping up Ithaca's 0-5 to be anything other than it is.  Which is probably why I find your shilling for Hartwick, with its 3-2 record against absolutely nobody approaching even mediocre, to be so distasteful. 

Silly me for thinking that a home loss to somebody as god-awful as Vassar would shut you up. Instead we get the "wow guys (oops, i mean 'folks'), (insert lightly-regarded team that just beat the snot out of us here) is pretty good, watch out for them" defense. Classic.  When can we expect the campaign for Top 25 votes, RtheH?

[fisheralum91]

Wow spend a little time away from the boards and look what I have been missing.
GB15 keep up the work against the Hartwick kid.
He is driving me nuts!
Fisher will win the leage this year- they will go deeper in the NCAA's and will have a few key losses that will put them in the bottom of the top 25.

Good enough speculation?

[gobombers15]

Impressive losses for Naz and Ithaca. I saw Cortland play against Elmira earlier this year and they look to be a solid team. Naz hangs in with a tough Oswego team.

I was very surprised how Naz played against Oswego at their place. It sounded as if Naz was in control most of the way but a late rally by the Lakers did them in. Oswego didn't lead in the game until there was 4 minutes remaining. Joe Canori(Webster grad!) poured in 25. Naz is going to be a tough out this year.

Since I like to think of myself as a revisionist, here are GB15's new conference predictions:

1)Fisher(13-1)
2)Utica(10-4)
3)RIT(9-5)
4)Ithaca(8-6)
5a)Naz(7-7)
5b)Alfred(7-7)
7)Elmira (2-12)
8)Hartwick(0-14)*

*It's possible hartwick goes 1-13 if they can beat Elmira at home.

[clearconceit]

The reality is your league stinks.  I have seen Utica play and they are good, probably better than Fisher this season.  Their only loss is to Union who may very well have the best team in the region.  Plus their Montana is the best coach in the region.

I saw Hartwick scrimmage SUNY IT and as a local Utica guy who has seen alot of games over the past 20 years they really aren't too bad.  I would be surprised if they didn't win atleast 5 or 6 league games this year. 
Now I don't think they are going to be like that maniac RTH but I do think they will win some games.  They essentially played SUNYIT to a standoff.

As for your league I saw Ithaca once an they stink.  Elmira I have not seen yet but can't imagine they are any good.

i would say your league is the weakest of the big 3 (LL, E8, SUNY).

So stop arguing about how good or bad Hartwick is and worry about our league!

[bamm]

clearconceipt,

Fantastic name.  That's all I'm going to say to you.

As for the Fisher fan's post, they obviously are favored to win the league this year, but I don't see them going any further in the NCAA's (if they make it).  Potsdam exposed them last year as a weak interior team, which they obviously are.  The loss of Sidney only makes it worse.  They were able to get through the season last year undefeated because no one in the E8 had that kind of personnel. 

[fisheralum91]

Hey clear C,
I am a Utica native and UC is ok.
From all I am hearing about Fisher, this is a runaway league championship.
If you are so worried about Utica- what league do you root for?