Empire 8

GPT · March 15, 2006, 08:41:36 AM

How on earth can people vote for Goodnote and not Kornaker
for coach of the year. What does he have to beat him 5 times next year.Its ridiculous Kahler goes undefeated in the e8 and isnt coach of the year.Kornaker beats Utica 4 times has to share coach of the year w/Goodenote(e8) and doesnt win regional coach of the year.Do you think if Calhoun had the year Fisher in both Mens and womens Basketball would he have been snubbed.I dont think so. SIDs and Coachs need to vote for the the coaches who deserve it not vote based on people you dont like.I give Coach Goodenote credit for a good year but if anybody watched any of the Fisher/Utica Games you know he was out coached. Its a shame peoble want to treat e8 like one of the top Dlll conferances but with all jealousy between teams and the fact they vote based on not liking certain people is a shame

fisheralum91 · March 15, 2006, 09:02:39 AM

Wow!
GPT-
I'm a huge Fisher supporter but Goode did deserve that award.
Look at the team he had and look what he did with it.

GPT · March 15, 2006, 09:12:06 AM

I agree he did a good job but he lost 4 time to fisher and his team stopped playing in every game with ten minutes to go.His team was out of shape he had the the best player in the conf. and he still couldnt comptete with fisher.If it wasnt for the Naz game fisher would have went undefeated in the region

GPT · March 15, 2006, 09:15:49 AM

The bottom line they didnt vote for kornacker or kahler because the dont like fisher.Thats the truth. Also if i remember correctly utica was picked to finish 2nd in the e8

fisheralum91 · March 15, 2006, 09:26:13 AM

GPT,
I take it that you are a Fisher student.
There is no conspiracy against Fisher.
Take a deep breath and take the blinders off.
Goodemote got the best out of a team that had no intention of ever making the NCAA's.
Now to stop the UC love-did Kornaker do a better job-Yeah probably, but this award going to Andy doesn't bother me in the least.
As an alum I love to see the awards pile up for Fisher, this year it was Goode's turn.

dewcrew88 · March 15, 2006, 09:49:31 AM

Quote from: GPT on March 15, 2006, 09:12:06 AM
I agree he did a good job but he lost 4 time to fisher and his team stopped playing in every game with ten minutes to go.His team was out of shape he had the the best player in the conf. and he still couldnt comptete with fisher.If it wasnt for the Naz game fisher would have went undefeated in the region

Hey GPT... you have no friggin idea how much getting into the tournament meant for Utica College athletics.
The first time ever making the NCAA tournament, and they reach the Sweet 16, beating two NE teams including WPI, who was ranked in the D3.com poll all year and UC whuped them by 20!

You have no idea what you're talking about!

GPT · March 15, 2006, 10:00:48 AM

No im not a Fisher student.So i guess what you both are saying is since Coach Goodenote made the ncaas and he beat wpi he deserved coach of the year award in the e8 and the east region.Let me ask one question if kornaker coached utica and goodenote coached fisher.Do you you think utica would have beat fisher this year?

GPT · March 15, 2006, 10:05:37 AM

Budcrew
Im out of my mind. Utica beat two NE schools but the havent beaten fisher in two years.Just because they made the ncaas doesnt mean you should win coach of the year it should be based on your record.

Fisher lost one game in the e8
fisher lost only one game in region
fisher won the chase tounnament
fisher won the e8 tournament
fisher beat utica 4 Times

dewcrew88 · March 15, 2006, 10:21:31 AM

Quote from: GPT on March 15, 2006, 10:00:48 AM
No im not a Fisher student.So i guess what you both are saying is since Coach Goodenote made the ncaas and he beat wpi he deserved coach of the year award in the e8 and the east region.Let me ask one question if kornaker coached utica and goodenote coached fisher.Do you you think utica would have beat fisher this year?

No UC wouldn't have been Fisher this year even if Kornaker and Goodemote were switched. Fisher had a better team this year, hands down. However, the award is for COACH of the year, and Kornaker's team was expected to make a deep run into the tournament. Utica wasn't supposed to make it, did as one of the final Pool C bids, then won 2 games, both against regular season champions in two different leagues.
Goodemote definitely deserved the award more than Kornaker this year.

dewcrew88 · March 15, 2006, 10:26:02 AM

Quote from: GPT on March 15, 2006, 10:05:37 AM
Budcrew
Im out of my mind. Utica beat two NE schools but the havent beaten fisher in two years.Just because they made the ncaas doesnt mean you should win coach of the year it should be based on your record.

Fisher lost one game in the e8
fisher lost only one game in region
fisher won the chase tounnament
fisher won the e8 tournament
fisher beat utica 4 Times

Wait... based on record only? There's so much more that determines a Coach of the Year award. Utica also won 23 games this year, a record for the program. Just because Fisher beat Utica 4 times and all those other things doesn't mean Kornaker should be handed the award.

Hell, what about in leagues where the coach of the last-place team the year before leads the team to a .500 or better finish? A lot of times, they'll win the award because they did something they weren't expected to do.

For this reason, I think that Syracuse's Jim Boeheim will win the award for the Big East because of Syracuse's run in the Big East Tournament.

Also for this reason, I believe.. if they do the same thing next year, that Hartwick's coach (I'm sorry I can't remember his name I think it's Paul Culpo) will win the award in the E8 next year. GPT, if you are going to debate on this forum, you better come with a better opinion then that.

GPT · March 15, 2006, 10:41:30 AM

Empire eight coach of the year is voted on before the ncaas
Utica was picked to finsh second in the e8
I can see your point but the fact is he lost three times in the regular seasonto fisher

superman57 · March 15, 2006, 11:08:00 AM

Being a Fisher student, to me it is a little suspicous that Goode, didn't even win the confernce coach of the year, but congrats he did deserve it.

GPT · March 15, 2006, 11:21:13 AM

kornacker and goodenote shared e8 coach of the award

col · March 15, 2006, 11:24:20 AM

everyone, don't forget to factor in 'heart' and 'courage' when thinking about these awards, normally these are the two most important factors in basketball

Pat Coleman · March 15, 2006, 02:00:42 PM

Budcrew08 is right about what determines who the coach of the year is, at least in our minds. It may be correct that Utica was picked to finish second in the E8 in the preseason (I'll take your word for it) but the fact of the matter is, being picked to finish second in this league does not carry an expectation of 23 wins and a berth in the Sweet 16.

Who exceeds expectations the most? That's a large part of what I think makes a coach of the year, and I am not afraid to contradict a conference's Coach of the Year decision if postseason results warrant it.