Empire 8

[fisheralum91]

Kloseks are good people.
Still- give the brew a shot- wont be disappointeed!

[JQV]

I was rather annoyed at listening to the Hamilton coach whine to the refs about not getting the same amount of FT attempts as UC. The first time he did it, both teams had attempted 3. The second time he did it, UC had taken 1 more, and the last time he did it Hamilton had actually taken more. He was pretty cool and gracious after the game though, understanding they survived a tough one. UC is a deeper team with more talent overall. It is always a fun matchup that no matter what the teams look like, either one could win.

I don't think it is the same guy but, JoseQViper got into an in-game argument with a Hamilton JV Coach during his freshman year because I got tired of the Hamilton coach complaining to the ref about the screens I was setting.  During a free throw on their end I may or may not have stood right next to him and told him what I thought.  Funny thing was, he was the coach that took me around campus on my recruiting trip there.  I always wonder if he recognized me and was bitching because I blew him off for IC.

[UCgrad45]

Kloseks are good people.
Still- give the brew a shot- wont be disappointeed!

I have had some good times there as well!

[UCgrad45]

I was rather annoyed at listening to the Hamilton coach whine to the refs about not getting the same amount of FT attempts as UC. The first time he did it, both teams had attempted 3. The second time he did it, UC had taken 1 more, and the last time he did it Hamilton had actually taken more. He was pretty cool and gracious after the game though, understanding they survived a tough one. UC is a deeper team with more talent overall. It is always a fun matchup that no matter what the teams look like, either one could win.

I don't think it is the same guy but, JoseQViper got into an in-game argument with a Hamilton JV Coach during his freshman year because I got tired of the Hamilton coach complaining to the ref about the screens I was setting.  During a free throw on their end I may or may not have stood right next to him and told him what I thought.  Funny thing was, he was the coach that took me around campus on my recruiting trip there.  I always wonder if he recognized me and was bitching because I blew him off for IC.

When did you play there?

[fisheralum91]

Hard not to!
Still doing pretty well too.
Wings and beer specials are great!

[JQV]

I was rather annoyed at listening to the Hamilton coach whine to the refs about not getting the same amount of FT attempts as UC. The first time he did it, both teams had attempted 3. The second time he did it, UC had taken 1 more, and the last time he did it Hamilton had actually taken more. He was pretty cool and gracious after the game though, understanding they survived a tough one. UC is a deeper team with more talent overall. It is always a fun matchup that no matter what the teams look like, either one could win.

I don't think it is the same guy but, JoseQViper got into an in-game argument with a Hamilton JV Coach during his freshman year because I got tired of the Hamilton coach complaining to the ref about the screens I was setting.  During a free throw on their end I may or may not have stood right next to him and told him what I thought.  Funny thing was, he was the coach that took me around campus on my recruiting trip there.  I always wonder if he recognized me and was bitching because I blew him off for IC.

When did you play there?

I was at IC 1999-2003.  But only played 1999-2000 and 2000-2001

[gobombers15]

Utica beat themselves last night. They outplayed Hamilton in nearly every aspect of the game. Killed them on the glass and had 20 assists to Hamiltons 8. Dennis Munch took 4 charges and UC forced many jump balls.

Unfortunately they couldn't hit the broad sign of a barn with uncontested shots. They must have missed at leat 20 uncontested shots last night, including at elast 10 lay ups. There was a point late in the game that they missed 6 consecutive uncontested lay ups. They moved the ball well and did everything right and just couldn't get the shots to fall.

Hamilton has some talent and plays tight D. If these two were to meet later in the year with the young Big guys from UC a little more developed, I'd expect Utica by 15. If they shot anywhere near what they usually do last night they probably would have won by 10. Regardless, Hamilton is a tough team that you need to play your game against or you will have a long night.

UC has a tough first semester schedule, and this makes the Cortland game even more important.

I like most of the guys from Utica, ClearConceit excluded, but this is what I have a problem with: the excuses. It's always something other than the opponent being better than you guys. Last year it came to a head after your loss at RIT. Supposedly there were some missed dunks, some missed wide-open jumpers, some terrible officiating, apparently the temperature in the gym was a little cool for Utica's liking, etc.

Hamilton always fields quality teams. There is no shame in losing to them. But accept the loss for what is: Hamilton was better than you on that particular night. They may not be a better team necessarily, but that's the beauty of sports; the better team doesn't always win.

To say that you dominated the game but "couldn't hit the broad side of a barn" is such a terrible argument.  The point of basketball is to score more points than the other team, which entails shooting the basketball in the hoop. If you can't shoot, you usually can't win. Can you imagine Tiger Woods saying, "oh man, I hit the ball really far but it just kept going in the trees...otherwise, I woulda won the tournament by five strokes!" No kidding, tell me more!

Lose with some class. We recognize Utica is probably the top team in the E8. That said, they're probably not the best team in the state and they'll lose some ballgames here and there. Don't make excuses for them.

[Tags]

You wouldn't call Fisher the top team in the E8?

Never have seen them play, plan on it this year since I'm 9 feet from the college... From what I hear they've been a great team

Thoughts?

[UCgrad45]

Utica beat themselves last night. They outplayed Hamilton in nearly every aspect of the game. Killed them on the glass and had 20 assists to Hamiltons 8. Dennis Munch took 4 charges and UC forced many jump balls.

Unfortunately they couldn't hit the broad sign of a barn with uncontested shots. They must have missed at leat 20 uncontested shots last night, including at elast 10 lay ups. There was a point late in the game that they missed 6 consecutive uncontested lay ups. They moved the ball well and did everything right and just couldn't get the shots to fall.

Hamilton has some talent and plays tight D. If these two were to meet later in the year with the young Big guys from UC a little more developed, I'd expect Utica by 15. If they shot anywhere near what they usually do last night they probably would have won by 10. Regardless, Hamilton is a tough team that you need to play your game against or you will have a long night.

UC has a tough first semester schedule, and this makes the Cortland game even more important.

I like most of the guys from Utica, ClearConceit excluded, but this is what I have a problem with: the excuses. It's always something other than the opponent being better than you guys. Last year it came to a head after your loss at RIT. Supposedly there were some missed dunks, some missed wide-open jumpers, some terrible officiating, apparently the temperature in the gym was a little cool for Utica's liking, etc.

Hamilton always fields quality teams. There is no shame in losing to them. But accept the loss for what is: Hamilton was better than you on that particular night. They may not be a better team necessarily, but that's the beauty of sports; the better team doesn't always win.

To say that you dominated the game but "couldn't hit the broad side of a barn" is such a terrible argument.  The point of basketball is to score more points than the other team, which entails shooting the basketball in the hoop. If you can't shoot, you usually can't win. Can you imagine Tiger Woods saying, "oh man, I hit the ball really far but it just kept going in the trees...otherwise, I woulda won the tournament by five strokes!" No kidding, tell me more!

Lose with some class. We recognize Utica is probably the top team in the E8. That said, they're probably not the best team in the state and they'll lose some ballgames here and there. Don't make excuses for them.

I didn't realize that they couldn't make a shot was an excuse. It seems more of an observation.

When you beat a team by double digits in boards and assists, you dominated two of the most important aspects of the game. They had good quality shots uncontested because they moved the ball well. They missed shots they usually make, end of story. That's not an excuse, it's a fact.

Anybody that watched that game knows that Hamilton couldn't stop them and they were their own worst enemy. I have a good feeling that you were not one of those that watched said game. I just have a hard time getting an assesment of my assesment from someone that wasn't even there.

[UCgrad45]

You wouldn't call Fisher the top team in the E8?

Never have seen them play, plan on it this year since I'm 9 feet from the college... From what I hear they've been a great team

Thoughts?

UC and Fisher are both right at the top. Both teams lost a lot of talent, but UC brought more back this year.

[Tags]

The loss of McGee hurts - played against him in HS and he was a solid player.

Have seen a lot of Smalt & Newman (went to HS in my neck of the woods). As they mature in the system they'll be tough.

[shooters]

UCGrad, I couldn't agree more with gobombers. Listen the point of the story is Hamilton shot better in the second half and held Utica to like 28% from the field. Apparently Hamilton played better than Utica in the second half, hence the victory. Your post should have said, hats off to Hamilton who played better than we did tonite, instead you say in the third paragraph of your excuse list that "Hamilton has some talent" Talent? TK put up 26-10 on your 27 year old man-child. He will be an All-American by years end. Take your loss and move on.

[woot returns]

first of all, utica only has two decent players. herring and the 27 year old solicitor of a prostitute. dennis munch is probably the worst player in d3 basketball. he wouldnt even make my local middle school team. he probably payed the school to take him or maybe they felt sorry for him.

[UCgrad45]

UCGrad, I couldn't agree more with gobombers. Listen the point of the story is Hamilton shot better in the second half and held Utica to like 28% from the field. Apparently Hamilton played better than Utica in the second half, hence the victory. Your post should have said, hats off to Hamilton who played better than we did tonite, instead you say in the third paragraph of your excuse list that "Hamilton has some talent" Talent? TK put up 26-10 on your 27 year old man-child. He will be an All-American by years end. Take your loss and move on.

Hamilton didn't hold them to anything. They were faked out of their jock so bad they fell to the floor on several occasions. 20 assists to 8 and 44-34 rebound edge while allowing 0 offensive boards in the second half would mean a win 9 times out of 10. What does that leave as the only way the game was settled? Shooting. And if you were there you would have witnessed a poor shooting performance by Utica. They weren't missing shots with people in their face, they were missing shots completely uncontested. That isn't Hamilton playing great D, thats Utica shooting uncharacteristically poor.

As far as putting up numbers on Ray, I'm pretty sure that would require him guarding him for a majority of the game and our SF/SG doesn't match up against the big men very often. He only scored 23 on a rough night shooting.

As far as him being 27, I hope that isn't your excuse for him being so good. I for one don't know too many people that can step away from competitive play for 7 years and come back and dominate athletes that are in the best shape of their lives. After being a JUCO all American he easily could have played right away, but there were reasons why that was not an option at that time.

[UCgrad45]

first of all, utica only has two decent players. herring and the 27 year old solicitor of a prostitute. dennis munch is probably the worst player in d3 basketball. he wouldnt even make my local middle school team. he probably payed the school to take him or maybe they felt sorry for him.

Yeah, all he did was come into the game and within 60 seconds get a steal, cause a jump ball, and take a charge. He also took 4 charges in one game, more than what most teams do. He steps into his role and does it while playing harder than anyone on the court.