Empire 8

fisheralum91 · December 26, 2006, 07:51:00 AM

I was going to post the nice article on UC's coach that was in the Utica OD this am- but they havent updated the web since Dec 22..
Keep an eye out for it UC guys- good atricle.....

sjfcards · December 26, 2006, 06:21:13 PM

I see most of the E8 teams have found a way to beat up on Cortland State, and that Fisher is playing them on Friday I was wondering if anyone on here has seen Cortland/has a scouting report.

I live in Cortland but have not had a chance to see them play this year. I saw they were ahead of Utica for a while, but lost.

It also seems about time that we start the annual discussion of who is the best league in upstate. I think last year did a lot for the E8 with 2 teams in the sweet 16.
Hamilton and St lawrence seem to be bringing up the LL, and Suny and the E8 always seem to argue who is stronger?

Any thoughts?

jdex · December 26, 2006, 08:22:54 PM

sjfcards,
This Cortland outfit gives coach TSpan the shakes. Still trying to figure out the parts. Is 3-5 and could be 6-2. Virtually 10 players have seen some regular duty. Will have played every E8 team except Hartwick by the time Dragons meet Fisher. Downed Naz in scrim, took Elmira and Alfred big, led UC early in second half, fell to RIT by 1 after leading most of way and lost to IC in a game neither played well and either could have won. Should have beaten Utica Tech.
CState has shown lack of on-court leadership, and it's been very evident in stretch play. Very streaky. Relies on outside scoring of D. Maggicomo (17ppg), D. Jutton, swing play of 6-5 M. Jankiewicz, R. Headley (11ppg) and C. Niehoff. Reliable D. Fish at the point isn't offensive factor. Steadiest backcourt hand has been pepperpot J. Miolan, who makes things happen in bench role. Inside crew's inexperience a liability thus far. Frosh 6-6 M. Lewis is coming, 6-8 J. Sargent still somewhat of a project. Look for 6-6 frosh P. Oliver to finally appear.
Don't think CSt. in Fisher's class, but could cause trouble with threes, and should be troublesome to SUNYAC contenders ...

sjfcards · December 26, 2006, 10:22:03 PM

Quote from: jdex on December 26, 2006, 08:22:54 PM
sjfcards,
This Cortland outfit gives coach TSpan the shakes. Still trying to figure out the parts. Is 3-5 and could be 6-2. Virtually 10 players have seen some regular duty. Will have played every E8 team except Hartwick by the time Dragons meet Fisher. Downed Naz in scrim, took Elmira and Alfred big, led UC early in second half, fell to RIT by 1 after leading most of way and lost to IC in a game neither played well and either could have won. Should have beaten Utica Tech.
CState has shown lack of on-court leadership, and it's been very evident in stretch play. Very streaky. Relies on outside scoring of D. Maggicomo (17ppg), D. Jutton, swing play of 6-5 M. Jankiewicz, R. Headley (11ppg) and C. Niehoff. Reliable D. Fish at the point isn't offensive factor. Steadiest backcourt hand has been pepperpot J. Miolan, who makes things happen in bench role. Inside crew's inexperience a liability thus far. Frosh 6-6 M. Lewis is coming, 6-8 J. Sargent still somewhat of a project. Look for 6-6 frosh P. Oliver to finally appear.
Don't think CSt. in Fisher's class, but could cause trouble with threes, and should be troublesome to SUNYAC contenders ...

Many thanks...

I am a little worried about the game against C-state. Fisher is a young team comming off a long layoff...It seems like it could be an upset special. Hopefully Fisher can stay away from a drop off from the last few games...although they seem like a long time ago now.

reelentless · December 26, 2006, 11:44:55 PM

Quotefisheralum91 - I was going to post the nice article on UC's coach that was in the Utica OD this am- but they havent updated the web since Dec 22..
Keep an eye out for it UC guys- good atricle.....

Coach Goodemote Article is up . . .

http://www.uticaod.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061226/SPORTS/612260318/1030/SPORTS01

e8bballfan · December 27, 2006, 09:06:25 PM

goodie is the best recruiting coach in the conference, easily....the downfall though is trying to get kids to go to college in Utica..i know there are plenty of fine players in the conference who wouldve gone to utica because of him, but didnt bc of how crappy the area of utica is..

superman57 · December 27, 2006, 10:22:44 PM

are you kidding me.... Kornaker is all about the recruiting....I mean you either have to be a good coach or good at recruiting and Kornaker is by far the best because look at how dominating Fisher has been

JQV · December 28, 2006, 07:43:32 AM

Quote from: Superman57 on December 27, 2006, 10:22:44 PM
are you kidding me.... Kornaker is all about the recruiting....I mean you either have to be a good coach or good at recruiting and Kornaker is by far the best because look at how dominating Fisher has been

I gotta disagree Superman. Kornaker does get the best players but look at the players Goodemote has convinced to come to UC, a place no one wanted to go to before. They have to pay tuition similar to the other E8 schools but, at least in the past, get less of the classic college environment as UC used to be a commuter school (right?). I think his turnaround of that program is pretty impressive.

lileyes · December 28, 2006, 07:57:12 AM

It's also much easier to get good players to come to a program that has been dominate like fisher. It is harder to sell a basketball program that has been struggling like UC did in the past.

rjcarter8 · December 28, 2006, 08:47:01 AM

Plus, Rochester vs. Utica. That's not too hard of a choice when looking at the cities.

FisherDynasty · December 28, 2006, 01:49:10 PM

Both Kornacker and Goodemote are very good at recruiting. Goodemote has an advantage of attracting and gettin in players that Fisher cannot. However, Kornacker being with a rochester area school has alot more to offer then that of Utica. Therefore, Id have to say the better recruiting would have to go to Goodemote. Both coaches are very similar tho.

fisheralum91 · December 28, 2006, 03:04:45 PM

Mr. Chair-
You are a little off on UC as a commuter school.
The campus has grown a lot in the past ten years and the admin has put priority on campus housing and sports programs. Ex- Hockey Football and BBall.
New majors, new Res Halls and athletic facilities have come a long way!

JQV · December 28, 2006, 05:54:57 PM

Quote from: fisheralum91 on December 28, 2006, 03:04:45 PM
Mr. Chair-
You are a little off on UC as a commuter school.
The campus has grown a lot in the past ten years and the admin has put priority on campus housing and sports programs. Ex- Hockey Football and BBall.
New majors, new Res Halls and athletic facilities have come a long way!

No doubt the school has changed. But I wonder how long it takes a place to shake the Commuter School reputation. Either way, Goodemote has done a nice job getting players there.

rjcarter8 · December 29, 2006, 08:04:13 AM

Quote from: FisherDynasty on December 28, 2006, 01:49:10 PM
Goodemote has an advantage of attracting and gettin in players that Fisher cannot.

What do you mean? I don't think Kornaker has any trouble getting kids he wants admitted/packaged at Fisher.

d3lifer · December 29, 2006, 11:42:04 AM

The guys that can do both, recruit and coach will be able to sustain things much longer than other coaches, meaning the rebuilding years will not be as long nor will they will fall quite as far. They may not get the best players but they get good players, guys willing to work at the game and work together. Kornaker is a great recruiter and success does make it easier. Goodemote can definitely do both and played for a guy that could really teach the game. He has been able to mold and craft a program that exudes toughness and gritty play things that a lot of players these days aren't willing to be. Kornaker definitely has an open and free style of play really requiring his players to have a high IQ. I have not seen enough Fisher games to know what his level coaching is at least in late game situations or managing games.