Empire 8

[FisherDynasty]

with all the positions open it took a while to get the best line-up down and it still may not be fully complete.  Fenyn was hurt with an ankle injury for most of first semester so he was out of the mix from the start.  He should only improve as the year goes on as his ankle is better and he is now getting some time.

[JQV]

That really is dominance.  Especially considering that there have only been 7 seasons of E8 hoops. (this season being the 8th).  Any team that can win 13 conference titles in 7 seasons gets my vote as the most dominating program in the land.  Furthermore, I'd have to check this, but the first season was the E8's probation year when the conference champ (not Fisher as I remember it) didn't get an auto bid.

I am well aware of the ICAC and the EAA. 

You better check your history. The Empire 8/Empire Athletic Association has been around a LOT longer than eight years.

"At Clarkson, he was named Coach of the Year by the Empire Athletic Association after the 1988-89 season and was Co-Coach of the year in 1983-84, his inaugural season with the Golden Knights."

"In 1991, the ICAC regrouped to become the Empire Athletic Association (EAA). Hobart/William Smith, RPI, and St. Lawrence left in 1993, to be replaced by Elmira College, Nazareth College, and Utica College. Alfred University and St. John Fisher College joined the league in 1998.

The EAA became the Empire 8 in 1999, hosting 13 sports."

If you are going to hang your hat on a simple name change, you're way off base. This league has been around a lot longer than you want to admit.

You might want to do some research. Your chairmanship could be at stake. You're not on a football board anymore, Viper.

I am well aware that the Empire 8 is the successor to the EAA which was the successor to the ICAC.  I am not hanging my hat on any name change.  The members have fluctuated over the years.  The current 8 basketball members have only been together since 1999. 

In fact, just to make my point even more directly, Fisher didn't join the EAA until 1998.  Hard to win 13 E8/EAA/ICAC titles when you have only been in the league 8 years.

http://empire8.com/History.html

Maybe your Guru status is in greater jeopardy than my Chairmanship.  Admit it Pat, you may not always like me but my posts are never baseless.

[fisheralum91]

.......stepping away from the keyboard.........

[Pat Coleman]

So it's not that there have been only eight seasons of E8 hoops, then, is it?

[JQV]

So it's not that there have been only eight seasons of E8 hoops, then, is it?

This is the 8th season of E8 hoops.  You can legitimately go back to 1995 if you'd like, which gives you 11 full seasons, but before that at least half the teams in the EAA/ICAC are teams that are not/have never been in the E8.  It is not as if a majority of these 8 teams have been in the same conference since the 1970s.

On a side note, guru are you sure you want to back the guy that just went spouting off about how Fisher has won 13 of the last 17 E8 titles?

EDIT: Someone has been drilling my karma for taking on the guru.

[FisherDynasty]

whatever jose, I was just making a point, something you have a hard time doing!

[fisheralum91]

uh oh- newbie is on to bigger fish to fry.

[d3lifer]

Clear-

In response to the your Hartwick analysis, Scranton is very good. Keep in mind that they played without two starters last night Cory Carson (18ppg)(6rpg) and Matt Simoneschi starting point guard who has a good understanding of the offense and where to go with the ball along with being a decent defender. Not sure the reason just happened to look at the boxscore, by no means does that mean they would win but it definitely would have changed the game and probably your overall opinion of 'Wick from stunk to solid.

[bamm]

One piece of data from last season that seems pertinent to this weekend's RIT/Fisher matchup:

In the E8 tourney (@ Fisher) Tim Bacon lit up Fisher's interior players to the tune of 23 points and 8 rebounds.  That resulted in an OT thriller that Fisher barely escaped from (SOB hit a last second jumper).  If he continues that this weekend RIT may start the E8 season with a win.

[postup101]

Like Clearconceit, I took in last night's Hartwick game against University of Scranton. Scranton is an extremely talented and well coached team. I have a feeling that Paul Culpo put Scranton on the schedule as a stretch game and a benchmark for the team. The Hawks needed to play 110% in order to win the game. The Hawks gave the Royals a run for their money during the majority of the first half, and then got flat out beat in the second half.

Last night's game was the first game this season that the Hawks have been blown out, reminiscent of the past three seasons.

It is important to point out that last night Hartwick was without 2 pivotale starters (Cory Carson and Matt Simoneschi), as well as Josh MacKenzie. In fact, they weren't even on the bench or stands. I counted only 12 uniformed players last night for Hartwick. There is no official word on why Cory, Matt, and Josh weren't in uniform. Had Cory, Matt, and Josh played last the Hawks would have been a lot more competitive than they were.

I caution this board to not underestimate Hartwick this season. Along I don't expect Hartwick to win the E8 Championship this year, however, I would not be shocked to see them in February at the E8 Tournament. The team dynamics seem to be much different then the previous three season. The Hawks seem to be more experienced, there confidence level seems to be much higher , the coaching staff seems to be more confident with them team, and lastly there seems to be more leadership from the upperclassmen.

The Hawks are entering Empire 8 action with a much better resume then years past. They need only 6 more wins to have a winning season and become the first Men's Hartwick Basketball team this century to have a winning season. I know it is speculation, but if the Hawks play they way did in the first half of the season they could find themselves with a winning conference season as well.

The days of Hartwick being humiliated are hopefully over and a new era has been born.

[fisheralum91]

Who opened the portal to Oneonta?
What's next?  Madhawk?

[JQV]

whatever jose, I was just making a point, something you have a hard time doing!

Points are easier to make when they are based on things pulled out of thin air.

For instance, I think Ithaca will win the E8 Title because they have never lost a game in the E8.

[fisheralum91]

 

[FisherDynasty]

seems like something Fisheralum would have said

[e8bballfan]

lines on this weekends games....

Friday-

fisher by 2.5 over RIT
naz by 13 over Alfred



Saturday-
fisher - naz pick 'em
RIT by 9 over Alfred
Utica by 16.5 over 'Wick (w/Bryant, by 6 without)


i think that's all the conference games...