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[the bird man]

I have a hard time getting into the polls. Of course I love it when Fisher is ranked high(like 7th) but they really don't prove much. I still don't unterstand how Fisher, with one loss to a top 20 team (although not top 25 at the time)can drop from 7th to 20th in a few weeks.
Having said all that, I really don't think Fisher is the 7th best team in the country.
It just seems strange that one loss by 9 points to a very good team is enough to drop a team 13 spots in the poll.

Oh well...go Cards

[gobombers15]

I have a hard time getting into the polls. Of course I love it when Fisher is ranked high(like 7th) but they really don't prove much. I still don't unterstand how Fisher, with one loss to a top 20 team (although not top 25 at the time)can drop from 7th to 20th in a few weeks.
Having said all that, I really don't think Fisher is the 7th best team in the country.
It just seems strange that one loss by 9 points to a very good team is enough to drop a team 13 spots in the poll.

Oh well...go Cards

Like I said, pollsters take a glance at their records then fill out their forms(or, in some cases, delegate the job to an assistant or SID). They probably saw Fisher at 4-1 while many other teams had played 8 or 9 games at that point...the result, a lower ranking for Fisher. Fisher won both their games that week and still fell. Bottom line, polls aren't that important. Fisher just needs a good ranking when the first regional poll comes out.

[ricco1]

Fisher 32 macon-30  Half

[ricco1]

Justin Beigel high with 10 points

[ricco1]

Fisher losses by 7

[78rmc]

Enjoyed watching the Fisher team at R-MC.  We were lucky to win against a quality team.  Fisher was a well coached and very disciplined team.  I think that Fisher outplayed us for most of the game, with RMC tough at the end, could have gone either way.  Will be pulling for you guys for the rest of the season.  I'm a fan of your program from what I saw this weekend at RMC.

[gobombers15]

Wow, just listened to the game and it sounded like the refs called a terrible technical on Kornaker. Down 3, Gillett had a shot at a layup and there was contact but no call. There was a loose-ball which apparently Fisher had but the refs called a jump-ball, arrow to R-MC. Timeout on the floor and Kornaker was expressing his displeasure with the call and the ref was apparently waiting to him with the tech and he did. That was the game.

I know how I said the Fisher radio guy isn't much of a homer but he spent the last 5 minutes of his broadcast venting about how horrid the officiating was, and how the ref was just looking to give Kornaker a "T." To paraphrase, he essentially said the ref who gave the technical as the type of ref "who wants to be the difference in the game." I was kinda half-assedly listening to the game so I can't really make an opinion, but I give you this stat: R-MC takes 29 FT's, Fisher takes 10. You make your own inferences about that.

Either way, good game by both R-MC and Fisher. 78RMC, can you tell us about what happened there in the last sequence? You were there, I trust your word. Hopefully this gives Fisher a little more respect nationally and people won't be hating on the East so badly.

Congrats to Fisher and R-MC. Sounded like an NCAA game in the middle of December.

[78rmc]

Yeah, very unfortunate call by the ref during a critical time in the game.  I did not want to see the game tainted by the call and wished it had not happened.  From my vantage point, it did not visually look like much, but I could not hear what happened.  The action leading up to the timeout was a missed layup that hit the bottom of the rim, with two players holding the ball as they both fell out of bounds.  I thought it was a good held ball call. 

The game was very defensive with both teams shooting poorly.  The difference being Fisher not hitting the 3s in the second half.  RMC missed a lot of FTs.  Watching the game, it did not seem that the foul calls were one sided and fairly even.  However the stats proved otherwise.  I would say that RMC was quicker and thus caused more fouls by Fisher, plus Fisher is a more physical team.  RMC has a physical lineup available, but Coach seem to go with a quicker and smaller lineup in the second half. Such as using Dixon over Hawley and Carlson over Krovic for long stretchs during the second half.

Would love to see a rematch.  Fisher will do well this season and we're fortunate to have won. 

[gobombers15]

Just to prove we never know what the pollsters are doing, Fisher rises two spots to #18 with their weekend split at the R-MC tournament. I'm sure Fisher's performance bumped them up a couple notches in the eyes of the voters in that area. UR is at #20 and hopefully the Jackets and Fisher will actually play in the Chase this year. RIT ruined the opportunity of that happening last year.

Utica guys, can any of you answer my earlier question(three weeks ago) of what happened to Willie Lucas last season? He was playing early on then, all of a sudden, he was gone. He wasn't even on the roster. He definitely could have helped the Pioneers last season.

[gobombers15]

For us Rochesterians, early guess at the Chase seedings:

1-Fisher
2-UR
3-RIT
4-Brockport
5-Roberts
6-Keuka
7-Naz
8-Geneseo

[bamm]

GB15 -- I'm pretty sure last night's game was not considered in this week's Top 25.  My guess is that even if some voters got their ballots in late enough, most were in before the 6 o'clock tip-off.  I reserve the right to be wrong, though.

Ah, yes, the Chase.  I'm feeling too lazy today to look it up, so does anyone know where the finals are this year?  And am I the only one who dreads getting packed in like sardines if it's at Naz, Fisher, or UR?

Some important games will be played between participants before the seedings come out... RIT v. UR for one. 

[ricco1]

I listened to yhe game










I listened to the fisher game via Macons stream . The game was being broadcasted by Macon. What happened was Macon's shot clock was running out and they were forced to shoot with seconds left. Fisher got the rebound and went down court and scored. The shot clock horn went off andthe ref waves off the Fisher score and had a meeting and called it a jumpball. Fisher called a time out and for some reason got the tech.
The ref's put 1.9 seconds on the clock and macon got the ball back because of the arrow. They also got 4 shots from the line plus the ball back. Even the anouncers from macon couldn't beleave the call.They thougt Fisher got a bad deal.

[gobombers15]

Thanks, Ricco. However, I was referring to the sequence at the end of the 2nd half that led to Kornaker's technical. But you're right, it sounded like the refs butchered the end of the 1st half, as well.

[78rmc]

Ricco1, you're combining two separate events.  What you described happened at the end of the first half.  The tech was at the end of the game.  What happened at the end of the first half was an air ball by RMC as the shot clock sounded and there was an inadvertant whistle by the refs.  Most of the players stopped with the Fisher guy with the ball continue play running the court for a layup.  Jump ball with arrow to RMC.  But it was another blown call by refs as was the tech at the end of the game.

[ricco1]

78rmc, Thank you for correcting me.