Empire 8

[gobombers15]

Bamm, while I agree that the aura of the Varsity gym isn't what it has been in the past....it is still the toughest place in the E8 to play, and teams still have a hard time winning there

I agree. That said, I think if Fisher played Ithaca ten times there this year, IC could win at least twice. In the past, I would say that it would take Ithaca like 25 or 30 games to win two games on Fisher's court. I really want to see RIT/Fisher IV. That said, I don't think Fisher or RIT fans really want to see that game. If IC beats RIT and Fisher knocks off Utica, though, it will likely happen, assuming Ithaca doesn't get upset at Naz.

GB15--

Ithaca is in already.  Even if they and Alfred both finish 8-6, IC swept the Saxons.  Alfred's win over Fisher would be irrelevant.  For it to be a 2-way tie for 4th, RIT need only beat Elmira at home to take the #3 seed outright at 9-5.

If it's a 3-way tie at 8-6 for 2 spots, Ithaca would be 2-2 against RIT/AU, RIT 3-1 against IC/AU and Alfred 1-3 against IC/RIT.  That puts RIT in as the #3 seed and Ithaca as the #4 seed  with either the 2-2/1-3 tiebreaker or the season sweep of Alfred tiebreaker.

Yeah, brain was not functioning properly when I said that. That's pretty much verbatim what I posted a couple of days ago, but I seemed to have forgotten that.

It sounds as if Alfred has been eliminated, no? RIT would hold the #2 tiebreaker because they will have at least one win over Ithaca. Sounds like the Saxons are out and IC and RIT are just jockeying for seeding.

[Caz Bombers]

As a result of this new information regarding tiebreakers, here are the scenarios that I've worked out:

Utica gets #1 seed by beating Fisher OR (win over Alfred plus SJF loss to Hartwick) - otherwise UC is #2 seed

Fisher gets #1 seed with win over Utica AND (win over Hartwick OR Utica loss to Alfred) - otherwise SJF is #2 or #3 seed

Ithaca gets #2 seed with 2 wins AND 2 Fisher losses - otherwise IC is #3 or #4 seed.

RIT clinches #4 seed with 1 win OR 1 Alfred loss; clinches #2 seed with 2 wins and 2 Fisher losses; clinches #3 seed with 2 wins OR (win over Ithaca AND Ithaca loss to Naz)

Alfred clinches #4 seed with 2 wins AND 2 RIT losses

Basically, the Saxons need a total miracle since I can't conceive of RIT losing at home to Elmira with their season on the line.

Utica-SJF tie favors SJF due to sweep of Ithaca

Utica-Ithaca tie favors UC due to win over Fisher

SJF-Ithaca tie favors SJF due to season sweep

SJF-RIT tie favors RIT due to win over Utica

Ithaca-RIT tie favors RIT due to projected season sweep

Ithaca-Alfred tie favors IC due to season sweep

RIT-Alfred tie favors RIT due to win over Utica or win over Ithaca

[b4the3isme]

Bamm- thanks for the directions to the QOWI.. its fasinating ... always been a stat nut but by comparison to the guys over there I'm at 2 + 2 and they're into quantum physics!!   May have met you at Laker/Tiger ECAC game last year with my son?  Did Cols introduce us? Anyway I would love to see the Tigers pull some upsets!!  Just love Bacon and still have fondness for the Tigers. SJF is tough at home though so if they win against Utica this weekend it will be a very difficult road.

[superman57]

I think I can speak for everybody and Nobody wants to see RIT/Fisher IV

[bamm]

Bamm- thanks for the directions to the QOWI.. its fasinating ... always been a stat nut but by comparison to the guys over there I'm at 2 + 2 and they're into quantum physics!!   May have met you at Laker/Tiger ECAC game last year with my son?  Did Cols introduce us? Anyway I would love to see the Tigers pull some upsets!!  Just love Bacon and still have fondness for the Tigers. SJF is tough at home though so if they win against Utica this weekend it will be a very difficult road.

Yep, I remember, and that was me.  RIT played well that night, but fell short in the last minute, if I remember correctly (I think Oswego was the #1 and RIT the #8).  IC went on to beat the Lakers in Oswego for the ECAC Upstate title.

[b4the3isme]

Absolutely Bamm- C Roy missed a layup or put back that would have either won the game or sent it into OT I think.  All those SUNYAC guys still think league is the "toughest" which I suppose it may be, but if the results of the ECAC from last year are indicative they weren't the cream last year. 

[gobombers15]

Absolutely Bamm- C Roy missed a layup or put back that would have either won the game or sent it into OT I think.  All those SUNYAC guys still think league is the "toughest" which I suppose it may be, but if the results of the ECAC from last year are indicative they weren't the cream last year. 

They certainly were not the cream last year when you consider that the E8 had two Sweet 16 teams, an Elite 8 team and the ECAC champs. We'll see what happens this year.

[fisheralum91]

UC is still digging out after the feb 14 nor'easter.
Hoping for a Fisher rout....
Hoping.

[superman57]

schools in albany are closed for a second straight day...

[fisheralum91]

Nasty storm.
UC didnt open till 10 this am.
Travel west should be better (i assume).

[rjcarter8]

Actually, the Southern Tier saw snowfall of between 18-24 inches over past day and a half, but I don't know what's like in Central NY. I do know the Oswego area got piled on last week with between 10-12 feet in most of that region.

[fisheralum91]

Utica had 28+ inches and points east had in excess of 3 feet.

[zola]

Current Massey ratings:

23 - Liberty
25 - SUNYAC
29 - E8

Small differences. Coin toss. Topic of discussion for under 30s.

[bamm]

New NCAA East Region Rankings

East Region
1. Brockport State 18-4 17-4, 10.286
2. St. Lawrence 18-5 17-5, 10.364
3. Rochester 16-6 16-5, 10.286
4. Hamilton 16-5 13-5, 10.000
5. Utica 18-4 17-4, 9.857

NYU or Fisher could move in there if any team falters. 

[fisheralum91]

Honestly- i have no problem with those rankings... and i agree- a couple of missteps and Fisher is right back in the thick of things.