Empire 8

JQV · February 28, 2007, 09:25:21 AM

Good conversation on here last night.

sjfcards: You make some good points. Every school has the occassional poster that shows up for a week/month or two, drops some bombs, says ridiculous things, and then is beaten off into that good night. Seems like the Fisher regulars on the hoop board (well, to be honest, all the regulars on the hoops board) are more ornary then the regulars on the other boards. During football season we discussed an interesting trend where some Fisher fans were handling the new success poorly. I really don't remember the details but FA91, Super, and Upstate surely do. Basically, I just find it interesting that Fisher gets a second men's team in the playoffs this year and the Fisher fans are calling for the coach's head...again. (Yes, I recognize that I was often the instigator of the football discussions).

ECAC: I agree with everyone about this. I think it is definitely a good tournament to play in. I doubt how much it affects academics (well how much more it affects academics). My guess is UC set their goals so high that they decided not to play in the ECAC's because they figured they wouldn't get a best effort from their club given the disappointment at the end of the season.

FisherDynasty · February 28, 2007, 09:53:59 AM

I get a bunch of crap for predicting in my opinion Fisher +1 against UofR on Fisher home court where they already beat them this year and get S*&$ for it. Just as an FYI - Nescac posters predict Fisher to beat UofR at Fisher as well, so its not that out of the ordinary.

DOWN WITH THE CHAIRMAN!

JQV · February 28, 2007, 10:14:48 AM

Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 28, 2007, 09:53:59 AM
DOWN WITH THE CHAIRMAN!

Another common SJF refrain. Superman, tell your buddy how succesful coup d'etats have been in E8Nation.

FisherDynasty · February 28, 2007, 10:15:41 AM

Jose, sounds like your on a powertrip.

JQV · February 28, 2007, 10:22:12 AM

Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 28, 2007, 10:15:41 AM
Jose, sounds like your on a powertrip.

Meh, probably.

I tell you what, tell me 1) Why is this game more like Fisher's OT win in December than Fisher's 30-point loss in January? and (2) Why Fisher's home court advantage is equally relevant in a this game when the opponent is not traveling, staying in a hotel, or coming without fans? If you answer those questions, I will reconsider my opinion about you. Otherwise, picking Fisher as a favorite is irrational.

superman57 · February 28, 2007, 10:26:50 AM

ok first off going against Jose probably doesn't work, though Jose I think your approval rating has fallen a little bit...secondly can fisher beat UofR yes they have already proven that....will they beat UofR, I'm not sure....it will be a good game

JQV · February 28, 2007, 10:31:28 AM

Quote from: Superman57 on February 28, 2007, 10:26:50 AM
ok first off going against Jose probably doesn't work, though Jose I think your approval rating has fallen a little bit...

Yeah, I am expecting my approval rating to rebound if we pull off the first annual E8Nation Tailgate Party at Fisher-IC. I also have an announcement waiting in the wings that might help it.

FisherDynasty · February 28, 2007, 10:33:49 AM

1) UofR has not beaten Fisher at Fisher since i dont even remember before 2002. 2) a 30 point thrashing was on a neutral court not Fisher and UofR played unbelievable, if they play like that again they could make it back to the national championship (will they play like that again, highly unlikely), 3) Fisher especially having younger players, is much more comfortable on their home floor and play 10x better 4) traveling has nothing to do with it, its the atmosphere of the smaler gym and confidence boost for Fishers players. Everygame is a game, if you havnt noticed from past seasons when fisher falls they fall hard. A loss is a loss no matter how much you get beat by. We will see, if UofR does win this wkend if the two meet up, it will not be a blow out similarly to last meeting, i know that much. I think its going to be a crazy game, depending a lot on outside shooting and foul trouble of Fishers bigs. The only thing that worries me from UofR is their better coaching, Coach Neer seems to prepare his players better then Fisher's preparation. Also, Fishers young guards may not be up to the NCAA tourny atmosphere, time will tell. However, I believe Fisher is playing its best basketball right now same with UofR.

bamm · February 28, 2007, 10:34:37 AM

Quote from: Chairman JoseQViper on February 28, 2007, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 28, 2007, 10:15:41 AM
Jose, sounds like your on a powertrip.

Meh, probably.

I tell you what, tell me 1) Why is this game more like Fisher's OT win in December than Fisher's 30-point loss in January? and (2) Why Fisher's home court advantage is equally relevant in a this game when the opponent is not traveling, staying in a hotel, or coming without fans? If you answer those questions, I will reconsider my opinion about you. Otherwise, picking Fisher as a favorite is irrational.

Jose -- I've been enjoying you tangling with the Fisher faithful here if for no other reason than by this time of the year I'm tired of doing it... But, I'm going to disagree with you regarding the homecourt advantage for the Cards simply because I can give you several examples over the last few years where decent local teams have come into that gym and been completely blitzed (with a healthy contingent of fans). The homecourt advantage they have is all about the environment of that gym -- there isn't a gym like it in this conference.

That being said, the student crowd will be diminished and this team isn't as capable as Fisher teams of the recent past. So, I still like UR's chances. Maybe I have no point.

FisherDynasty · February 28, 2007, 10:46:16 AM

I agree Bamm, its going to be a great game. UofR being the slightly better team that is a little better coached and Fisher having the home court advantage. I hope the two meet so this can be settled.

JQV · February 28, 2007, 11:01:53 AM

These are fair points but sort of dodge the main thrust of my previous questions. Let me elaborate on my questions.

Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 28, 2007, 10:33:49 AM
1) UofR has not beaten Fisher at Fisher since i dont even remember before 2002. 2) a 30 point thrashing was on a neutral court not Fisher and UofR played unbelievable, if they play like that again they could make it back to the national championship (will they play like that again, highly unlikely), 3) Fisher especially having younger players, is much more comfortable on their home floor and play 10x better

I know one game was at home while the other was at Fisher. I also know all about Fisher's gym and crowd (from personal experience). Do you honestly believe, however, that the gym is the only difference? Put another way, is Fisher's gym good for 31 points?

In my mind, the fact that the blowout loss came in a month into the season is more relevant than the locations of the games.

Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 28, 2007, 10:33:49 AM
4) traveling has nothing to do with it, its the atmosphere of the smaler gym and confidence boost for Fishers players. Everygame is a game, if you havnt noticed from past seasons when fisher falls they fall hard. A loss is a loss no matter how much you get beat by.

Traveling certainly does have an effect on the way a team plays in any gym. I thought it was clear as well that the Fisher students would not be around for this game, should it happen. Doesn't that dent the atmosphere. My memory is that the atmosphere was fueled solely by students. Some have argued that the students will blow off Spring Break to come back for the game. If that is the case, then why didn't the same students drive across town to bring the "atmosphere" with them to Chase?

Also, just out of curiosity, what does "every game is a game" mean?

Quote from: FisherDynasty on February 28, 2007, 10:33:49 AM
We will see, if UofR does win this wkend if the two meet up, it will not be a blow out similarly to last meeting, i know that much. I think its going to be a crazy game, depending a lot on outside shooting and foul trouble of Fishers bigs. The only thing that worries me from UofR is their better coaching, Coach Neer seems to prepare his players better then Fisher's preparation. Also, Fishers young guards may not be up to the NCAA tourny atmosphere, time will tell. However, I believe Fisher is playing its best basketball right now same with UofR.

Just thought it was interesting that coaching shows up again in this discussion...

John McGraw · February 28, 2007, 11:02:46 AM

In terms of fans, I'd take the Yellow Swarm over the Cardinal Crazies.

FisherDynasty · February 28, 2007, 11:09:01 AM

every game is a game means you should not look at points in previous victories, we have already went over that in previous posts how if a team beats another team by 20 a team that beat that team by 10 should win by 30. i know these are the same two teams playing again. Example. tennessee was beating florida by 30 last night? if they play again on floridas court do you honestly think that will happen again? NO. Tennessee came out on Fire as did UofR did, game was over from there. Even if the game was on a neutral floor or UofR i would still think itd be a great/close game.

keystonelight · February 28, 2007, 11:11:37 AM

being a fisher fan i'd agree that the student section for u of r will probably be stronger than the crazies. the crazies are the worst student section in the empire 8 if the game isn't against nazareth.

superman57 · February 28, 2007, 11:12:24 AM

John in most instances I would agree with you...but it depends on what crazies you get...if you get the crazies that come out of Naz there is nothing like that in DIII but for some reason most fans at fisher are casual fans except for a few extreme fisher fans so there fore you could get a crowd that is really into the game or one that is only into it if fisher is in a close game