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[superman57]

I think in the end...I would say that if they decide that fisher is the high seed it's at Brockport and if they decide that Wooster is the high seed then it's at John Carroll...and I'm saying at JC because your in clevland and it is easier for everyone...and brockport because of the gym size...though Fisher is DEFINATLY not smaller then Amherst, so size doesn't always matter

[pg04]

While it is definitely interesting to have Brockport vs. Fisher again, I think it would have been more interesting to have Fisher vs. JCU and Brockport vs. Wooster.  That would definitely have made the pairs a little more diverse.

And yes, Wooster is a national powerhouse.  They have been a top 5 team all season long, including a stint at number 1, and they are number 2 right now.  The only issue with them is that they have had bad luck in the playoffs. 

Trying to be unbiased, I would say the winner of the Wooster/JCU game will probably end up in the final 4... But you never know! 

[ksc218]

Check out the post from David C. over in the NCAC page.  He gives a good run of the  hosting criteria.

Re: NCAC
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Quote from: NCAA Handbook, page 7
Site Selection
The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather, accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to assure fiscal responsibility.
In addition, the men's basketball committee requires each host to videotape all contests at its site, with the intent to make available to each team a copy of the contest in which it participated. The committee also prefers sites that will not host conflicting events during the championship practice and competition. Sites will also be evaluated as to the availability of appropriate practice times for all competing teams. To host first-round, second-round or sectional contests, a regulation court as defined in 2007 NCAA Men's and Women's Basketball Rules and Interpretations must be used. To host sectional competition, arena seating for at least 1,000 spectators is required.

I think the selection rules just posted has been misinterpreted in terms of size of gym mattering. In the last criteria for hosting it said a gym of at least 1000 was required, therefore i think quality of gym and size of gym are not the same. Either way i don't think size would be the most important factor considering theres only going to be two teams with a good amount of fans no matter the location. quality of facilities in my opinion means how are the locker rooms, parking lots etc.

weather for the weekend is 40-50 percent chance of snow showers everywhere. so thats not a factor

seeding is still mysterious

attendance history is good for fisher at least, full gym even on spring break against plattsburgh bringing literary 10 fans. and every school is on spring break with fisher and john carroll ending spring break and brockport and wooster just starting spring break.

It looks to me as the only relevant factors will be seeding first then hosting rotation

Factor two, geographical location, I think clearly favors Fisher and Brockport.  Transportation costs are lower there than here in Ohio, but we have better weather!    As regards rotation of sites, Wooster hosted sectionals in 2003 and 2004, Brockport had one in 2002, and nobody else has hosted since 2001 or earlier (I only went back that far for purposes of this post), so if this is a factor at all it would work against the Scots.

[ksc218]

sorry for the double post but i couldn't figure out how to edit my post.

thanks to pat coleman we have our closest insight into the seeds through quality of wins index

ugh -- well, without that UWEC/Wart change:


15   10.423   2   St. John Fisher   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
20   10.296   3   Brockport State   0.815 (22-5)   23-5
28   10.091   2   Wooster   0.909 (20-2)   25-3
31   10.040   3   John Carroll   0.720 (18-7)   19-9

Things seem to now shape up for a rochester hosting bid.

[FisherDynasty]

Fisher is playing great basketball right now, they handled plattsburgh tonight.  However plattsburgh is a tough team that would not give up, they will be very tough to beat next year, as the only lose 2 guys.  As far as hosting the sweet 16, it should be fisher or wooster, anything else what be a travesty.  size does not matter as fishers 28-0 team had to travel to amherst's small gym.  I really think fisher should get to host as they were the 1 seed in the east, and the 1 seed in the great lakes lost tonight.  If fisher hosts they will have a legit chance to make it to the final 4.  They will have to play a very good bport team, that i think they will win by 4+ then a really talented Wooster team, who knows.   Wooster may be better, but if Fisher gets the home court, its going to be a great game.  If baltz, mueller, and newman continue to play the way they are, fisher will be in the final 4 or atleast lose to a very good wooster team.  Bport is talented but not as good as fisher when they are playing to their potential.

[Cards7580]

Brockport should host simply because they can handle more people, and run a better show.   Having been to three of the four gyms and witnessing what goes on, Brockport has much more on the ball.    The clock/scoreboard operation at Fisher reminded me of High School days.  Numerous scores being put up for the wrong team on Friday nght.  Time being started early at least three times on Friday and Saturday.   35 second clock problems.   Fisher's idea of food was vending machines in the small lobby.   My high school does a better job at putting on a show for the regular season,
and has a larger facility. 

And to tell you the truth, the Fisher faitful (at least the ones near me on Saturday) sure dont deserve to be 'hosts'
for tournament games.  While U of R fans have that "superior" attitude to everyone else ( I guest because they think being able to PAY for that school entitles them to be obnoxious), the old-amuni/fans behind me seemed to be a bunch of closet racists.  Constantly 'crying' about not getting their normal amount of "homer" calls.  Making slurs about player skin color, or amount of brains.  Saying a black person looks like a monkey isn't my idea of sophistication. One would expect more tolerance from a Catholic based school and from such a resepect intitution of higher learning.    And they didn't even know New York State geography well enough to know where Plattsburgh was located.   Some Fisher fans need to learn that not everyone comes from money, not everyone can be a choir boy, and not every referee is perfect.  The saturday game had equally distributed bad and inconsistent calls.   

[keystonelight]

after looking around online i've come to the conclusion that based on distance and facilities that JC should be the host school. As a fan of the fisher club and realizing that they may deserve it it makes more sense to have it at the school with more seating and either comparable or better facilities. http://www.jcu.edu/news/021804_mens_bb.asp
Nice weights facility and locker rooms.
parking doesn't appear to be a problem at JC at all either like it is currently at fisher unless people could use the Park and Ride lot by the highway which is a rather long hike.
http://www.jcu.edu/images/news/icg_map.jpg

someone before mentioned a neutral site? gannon university or penn state erie the behrend college... is that such a bad idea? Both gymnasiums hold over 2000 spectators. When do you see a DI team play on a home court in the ncaas? maybe they should revise their scheduling for the tourney.

[keystonelight]

so i'm not the only one noticing these things in the stand... thats comforting!

[keystonelight]

after looking around online i've come to the conclusion that based on distance and facilities that JC should be the host school. As a fan of the fisher club and realizing that they may deserve it it makes more sense to have it at the school with more seating and either comparable or better facilities. http://www.jcu.edu/news/021804_mens_bb.asp
Nice weights facility and locker rooms.
parking doesn't appear to be a problem at JC at all either like it is currently at fisher unless people could use the Park and Ride lot by the highway which is a rather long hike.
http://www.jcu.edu/images/news/icg_map.jpg

someone before mentioned a neutral site? gannon university or penn state erie the behrend college... is that such a bad idea? Both gymnasiums hold over 2000 spectators. When do you see a DI team play on a home court in the ncaas? maybe they should revise their scheduling for the tourney.

[keystonelight]

also about JC they have pulled in over 1000 fans over 6 times this season at their home facility the DeCarlo Center.   Through 11 home games they averaged about 1230 people.

[keystonelight]

as far as fishers attendance... cough cough...

averaged 580 (generous) through 14 games including one sold out naz game (1000 max capacity) and 2 empire 8 tourney games and 2 NCAA games.

JC is averaging 100 more than double fishers turnout.

[keystonelight]

wooster will certainly not disapoint if they are looking for revenue

their attendance average for NEUTRAL games was 740 through 7 games

for woosters home games they averaged 2015 people. that is rediculous and thats with one game only being 275 over holliday break.
The high for the gym was 3776... the website says max seating capacity is 3400... i love standing room only environments... this gym could get crazy. nothing lik people sitting in the stairs and filling up the doorways.

[Bill Gorman]

As an adminsitrator from a school that played at Fisher Friday night (and I'm not hiding behind any alias), I want to congratulate St. John Fisher on picking up the two W's this past weekend.  While (obviously) myself and the rest of the Wentworth program were disappointed in Friday's outcome, Wentworth ran into a very hot shooting team, peaking at the right time, and the rest they say is history.  I was in the hallway behind where the Fisher players were standing and didn't see the Plattsburgh shot go in, just the reaction from the SJF players.

I also want to "tip my cap" to everyone at Fisher for putting on a great event.  None of our players had ever been in this situation and everything was first class and made the experience that much more enjoyable for the student-athletes, as well as their parents who made the trek.

Good luck as you move on!

[sjfcards]

As an adminsitrator from a school that played at Fisher Friday night (and I'm not hiding behind any alias), I want to congratulate St. John Fisher on picking up the two W's this past weekend.  While (obviously) myself and the rest of the Wentworth program were disappointed in Friday's outcome, Wentworth ran into a very hot shooting team, peaking at the right time, and the rest they say is history.  I was in the hallway behind where the Fisher players were standing and didn't see the Plattsburgh shot go in, just the reaction from the SJF players.

I also want to "tip my cap" to everyone at Fisher for putting on a great event.  None of our players had ever been in this situation and everything was first class and made the experience that much more enjoyable for the student-athletes, as well as their parents who made the trek.

Good luck as you move on!

Nice of you to say something...I am gald you had a nice experience...

on to who should host the regional...Travel wise it does not make much sense to move two Rochester teams out of the area, however, I think everything else pretty much favors John Carrol...It is kind of a mid way point between Wooster and Rochester. They have attendance and the facilities. And, They have the gym size to make the NCAA happy. I would love to see Fisher get to host a regional, but the realist in me just says it will not happen.

[FisherDynasty]

As much as we look into it, and breakout revenue, gym size, etc.  Think about the amherst location, gym is small and many teams were far away, so i think/hope they will give it to the top seed remaining - Fisher.  If they don't host, they need to seriously think about doing something about the gym and make it bigger.