Empire 8

FisherDynasty · March 14, 2007, 02:43:34 PM

I agree with the post about they will need those 3 for experience. I also think those 3 getting some good game experience this year will contribute to them being more mature and confident on the court next year, I think they all will have good years. The only thing about playing newman more even tho it might not make much of a diff from coyne and mckeaver is that as you say it newman may be the next fisher star, early career game time experience is the only way to achieve that. It is crucial for a players development. If he can play as good as an upperclassmen you should always sway towards the young player for terms of development. However, at certain times in the game the older players should get then go, which has happened at times, but not everytime. It is a tough situation for coyne and mckeaver but it doesnt look like they will be knocked out of the loop next year. At worst, another rotation like that of this year.

As far as being fenyned or Gilleted, idk if we would go that far. Fenyn did underachieve in his 4 year stature, but most of it was his own fault or to injury's. Its just too hard for a coach to get a player involved if they are rarely eligible to play or able to play. But yes this year was hard to watch fenyn on the bench knowing that he was one of the more talented players, but again he was hurt when he finally got the start so sitting out few games, is tough to get back into the swing, specially with a quick judment coach like kornacker. Once the time is passed its passed, tough to remake a mark for yourself.

I dont think pete gillet ever got screwed over for playing time. He played 20 min sop-senior year but new his role and what was expected of him. he was not good enough to start for fisher those years so he didnt and understood that. He was key to their success from the bench. What players need to realize specially if your trying to compete for a national title you need a minimum of 8-9 players that are good enough to start, but they have to accept their roles and contribute from the bench. 15 minutes a game for playing for a great program is tough when you know you could start on most other teams in the league or other upstate leagues. Just have to decide if youd rather play more on an average team or contribute when needed on a good team.

Cadillac · March 14, 2007, 09:27:59 PM

I think we're talking about two different things here.

I'm talking about two contributors who were inexplicably forgotten about during the final stretch of their senior years.

keystonelight · March 15, 2007, 12:38:10 AM

as for Bobby Kiernan getting the hell outta dodge... all i have to say about that is CONGRATULATIONS

He'll be immortalized in our hearts forever

keystonelight · March 15, 2007, 12:38:44 AM

cue humorous response from dirk diggler

UCgrad45 · March 15, 2007, 01:08:39 AM

Quote from: Superman57 on February 26, 2007, 04:03:46 PM
I think it is poor sportsman ship to not accept the bid...the seniors deserve one last hoorah...Utica would have clearly been the #1 seed and would ave had home games...to sit at home and pout because you choked at the end of the season is wrong

UC didn't put their name in for the tournament, so they did not turn down a bid. They decided it was NCAA or nothing long before the end of the season. Not only did the players not want to play ecac, they might not have been able too. At least 4 of the key players played pretty much the last month injured. Ray and Jack being two of them. The numbers they put up while injured were actually more than impressive. I was proud of them.

Man, having a new baby in the house gets you really far behind on these things. Had to go back 30 pages.

Cadillac · March 15, 2007, 01:06:11 PM

How will UC look next year?

keystonelight · March 15, 2007, 08:48:03 PM

hopefully UC will be good next year...thats the only game other than the naz game that i look forward to

bamm · March 15, 2007, 09:56:10 PM

Quote from: keystonelight on March 15, 2007, 08:48:03 PM
hopefully UC will be good next year...thats the only game other than the naz game that i look forward to

I wouldn't look forward to RIT beating you at home again next year either.

keystonelight · March 15, 2007, 11:16:17 PM

hey... i don't even go to fisher...but you are awefully arrogant considering most teams could win 1 time out of 4

if they couldn't... there wouldn't be any reason to even play the games and they shouldn't even be a program

keystonelight · March 15, 2007, 11:51:32 PM

p.s. we'll make a special exception for elmira

sjfcards · March 16, 2007, 02:09:28 AM

Quote from: whatman on March 14, 2007, 01:35:00 PM
I just hope Kornacker realizes the mistakes he made this year as far as substitions go. Yes Fisher did win a lot of games but there were some that could of went either way. It just puzzled me that Mckeever and Coyne would come into lets say a Friday night game, play well and never see the floor on Saturday. It was like Kornacker and company forgot about them. Next year is going to be much different for Fisher and Kornacker is going to need to play Mckeever, Coyne, Bearden simply for their experience. They do not lose anything when those guys play. At times this year the team actually played better. There is no doubt Newman, Baltz are going to be the next stars at Fisher but it's my opinion that Newman never "won" the starting pg job. I think Kornacker had his mind made up from day one.

Seems to me that winning a lot of games that could have gone either way would be a sign of a good coach, and good coaching decisions...would it not?
I am sure players like Mckeever and Coyne will get a lot more playing time next year. As well as the team did play with them in the game at times, Newman looked like the best player at the point guard spot to me. I am really looking forward to seeing how Newman and Baltz progress next year. I think with the two of them, Beigel and Smalt comming back I think that Fisher could be a frontrunner for the league next year.

keystonelight · March 16, 2007, 02:39:19 AM

i think they have to be

whatman · March 16, 2007, 08:41:26 AM

sjfcards....Are you sure they are going to play a lot next year? I have my doubts big time....I guess Newman did look the best since he played the most. The other two got in for 4 minutes at a time. I don't really think he has given them a chance. I know for a fact McKeaver hasn't been given a chance. Injuries last year i guess did him in since he was recruited to play pg out of highschool. He played more 2 guard than pg this year. He has a much better handle than Newman and both of them play better defense. Hey but what do i know. I am simply a spectator with a little insight. That's one sad thing about D3 hoops, coaches have to recruit a crap load of players and in Fisher's case they have 3 pg and two get the short end of the stick. Both McKeever and Coyne could start anywhere else in the Empire 8 at pg.

FisherDynasty · March 16, 2007, 09:05:34 AM

I'd take Doug Herrig - Utica
Sean Burton - Ithaca
Mcadam - Naz
Zeinfeld - RIT
Palentino - Stevens
COCO - Hartwick

Over Coyne or McKeaver. Nothing against the two, they are solid but can't make the impact the players mentioned above can. This is coming from someone that says Fishers 2nd squad could be runner up most years too. However, the PG position is finally at a strongpoint in the E8.

keystonelight · March 16, 2007, 09:29:46 AM

I don't know if i would take them over McKeever... you can't really make that type of judgement until you see him get the opportunities those guys have gotten.

But as far as the position you are right... the pg spot is as strong as its ever been across the board.