Empire 8

[Bombers798891]

I thought Fisher was better off that year without Jefferson anyway. He was a really good player but the team played better without him since he dominated the ball when he was on the court. In the games I saw the rest of the team really didn't seem to enjoy playing when he was out there.

One of the rumors floating around at the time was that he pulled a 0.0 GPA. You have to try really hard to be that bad in school.

IC had a kid booted off the team a few years ago for missing class///

[sjfcards]

It was a tuition problem not grades or getting kicked off.

A tuition problem for Hall or Jefferson?

[GPT]

Hall

[sjfcards]

Thanks for the info. I always seem to be the last to know these types of things. That is why I rely on the board so much. That is a tough loss for Fisher. He seemed to be coming on, and I was starting to think that he could give Fisher some really good minutes down the stretch. What can ya do? Hopefully Fisher can find a way to move on without the key losses.

I still think that IC, Fisher, and RIT are in, while the 4th playoff spot is up for grabs. I was somewhat impressed with Naz on Saturday. They can shoot, and they can move the ball. Unfortunately, they do not play a lick of defense. Fisher really did not shoot the ball all that well, and they were ablle to score 76 points. My personal feeling is that Naz and Utica will fight it out for the last tournament spot. Just one mans oppinion, but I think Utica will turn it around, and can sneak some unexpected wins at home. Naz, when they shoot well, can beat the RIT's and Fisher's of the world, and I think they will get in the mix, after a really really bad start.   

[magicman]

with the 3 wins I think Fisher will get in and deserves to be in the top 25 in the next poll that comes out.  E8 is looking better and better as the season goes on.

It's not only how good Fisher did, but how the teams currently in the Top 25 did as well. Fisher was technically 33rd in last weeks poll and in order to jump 8 spots to #25 a lot of teams ahead of them in the #20 to #32 range would have to lose. Anyone ranked higher than #20 probably wouldn't drop out of the Top 25 with a loss during the week. Look at Franklin and Marshall who last week was #21 got beat and only dropped to #24 this week. Anderson and Whitworth #'s 23 & 24 both dropped a game and only fell to 26th and 27th. In this week's poll Fisher moved up 5 spots to #28 which was a good move considering what the teams ranked ahead of them did this past week. If Fisher wins their 2 games this week, then they could be in the Top 25 when next Monday's poll comes out. But if #"s 20 to 27 all have good weeks, they still probably won't make it. If (and that's a big if) they can win the 4 games they have before they meet Ithaca on Feb 3rd then I can see a #24 Fisher (my guess as to where they wil be ranked on Feb. 2nd) playing a Top 10 Bomber squad. That is of course, assuming Fisher and Ithaca both win out until that matchup. On paper they will both be favored as Fisher gets Alfred, then Naz at home before taking on Hartwick and Stevens on the road. Ithaca is at Stevens, home to Elmira and at Utica. I don't think the Bombers will drop any of their 3 games, but Fisher has to be careful of the Naz and Stevens games. As "bamm" stated earlier "they are a young team" I don't think anyone figured they would be where they are at this point. It can all come crashing down with a couple of losses.  

[Bombers798891]

with the 3 wins I think Fisher will get in and deserves to be in the top 25 in the next poll that comes out.  E8 is looking better and better as the season goes on.

It's not only how good Fisher did, but how the teams currently in the Top 25 did as well. Fisher was technically 33rd in last weeks poll and in order to jump 8 spots to #25 a lot of teams ahead of them in the #20 to #32 range would have to lose. Anyone ranked higher than #20 probably wouldn't drop out of the Top 25 with a loss during the week. Look at Franklin and Marshall who last week was #21 got beat and only dropped to #24 this week. Anderson and Whitworth #'s 23 & 24 both dropped a game and only fell to 26th and 27th. In this week's poll Fisher moved up 5 spots to #28 which was a good move considering what the teams ranked ahead of them did this past week. If Fisher wins their 2 games this week, then they could be in the Top 25 when next Monday's poll comes out. But if #"s 20 to 27 all have good weeks, they still probably won't make it. If (and that's a big if) they can win the 4 games they have before they meet Ithaca on Feb 3rd then I can see a #24 Fisher (my guess as to where they wil be ranked on Feb. 2nd) playing a Top 10 Bomber squad. That is of course, assuming Fisher and Ithaca both win out until that matchup. On paper they will both be favored as Fisher gets Alfred, then Naz at home before taking on Hartwick and Stevens on the road. Ithaca is at Stevens, home to Elmira and at Utica. I don't think the Bombers will drop any of their 3 games, but Fisher has to be careful of the Naz and Stevens games. As "bamm" stated earlier "they are a young team" I don't think anyone figured they would be where they are at this point. It can all come crashing down with a couple of losses.  

Fisher is #28...

[FisherDynasty]

I was hoping they'd get in this week after a good tourny.  12-2 record is good enough especially coming from a team that has been ranked the past few years.  Usually it takes a better recored than that from a school that hasnt hit the top 25 in many years.  I Hope im not jinxing them but i think fisher is going to drop one soon to again show their youth and inconsistency.  Coming off a high horse with the chase championship i think will hurt them in the up coming games as they might think they are better than they are.  We will see, hopefully they will win so they can maybe crack top 25 before ithaca.

[magicman]

with the 3 wins I think Fisher will get in and deserves to be in the top 25 in the next poll that comes out.  E8 is looking better and better as the season goes on.

It's not only how good Fisher did, but how the teams currently in the Top 25 did as well. Fisher was technically 33rd in last weeks poll and in order to jump 8 spots to #25 a lot of teams ahead of them in the #20 to #32 range would have to lose. Anyone ranked higher than #20 probably wouldn't drop out of the Top 25 with a loss during the week. Look at Franklin and Marshall who last week was #21 got beat and only dropped to #24 this week. Anderson and Whitworth #'s 23 & 24 both dropped a game and only fell to 26th and 27th. In this week's poll Fisher moved up 5 spots to #28 which was a good move considering what the teams ranked ahead of them did this past week. If Fisher wins their 2 games this week, then they could be in the Top 25 when next Monday's poll comes out. But if #"s 20 to 27 all have good weeks, they still probably won't make it. If (and that's a big if) they can win the 4 games they have before they meet Ithaca on Feb 3rd then I can see a #24 Fisher (my guess as to where they wil be ranked on Feb. 2nd) playing a Top 10 Bomber squad. That is of course, assuming Fisher and Ithaca both win out until that matchup. On paper they will both be favored as Fisher gets Alfred, then Naz at home before taking on Hartwick and Stevens on the road. Ithaca is at Stevens, home to Elmira and at Utica. I don't think the Bombers will drop any of their 3 games, but Fisher has to be careful of the Naz and Stevens games. As "bamm" stated earlier "they are a young team" I don't think anyone figured they would be where they are at this point. It can all come crashing down with a couple of losses.  

Fisher is #28...

I think I said that.

[Bombers798891]

with the 3 wins I think Fisher will get in and deserves to be in the top 25 in the next poll that comes out.  E8 is looking better and better as the season goes on.

It's not only how good Fisher did, but how the teams currently in the Top 25 did as well. Fisher was technically 33rd in last weeks poll and in order to jump 8 spots to #25 a lot of teams ahead of them in the #20 to #32 range would have to lose. Anyone ranked higher than #20 probably wouldn't drop out of the Top 25 with a loss during the week. Look at Franklin and Marshall who last week was #21 got beat and only dropped to #24 this week. Anderson and Whitworth #'s 23 & 24 both dropped a game and only fell to 26th and 27th. In this week's poll Fisher moved up 5 spots to #28 which was a good move considering what the teams ranked ahead of them did this past week. If Fisher wins their 2 games this week, then they could be in the Top 25 when next Monday's poll comes out. But if #"s 20 to 27 all have good weeks, they still probably won't make it. If (and that's a big if) they can win the 4 games they have before they meet Ithaca on Feb 3rd then I can see a #24 Fisher (my guess as to where they wil be ranked on Feb. 2nd) playing a Top 10 Bomber squad. That is of course, assuming Fisher and Ithaca both win out until that matchup. On paper they will both be favored as Fisher gets Alfred, then Naz at home before taking on Hartwick and Stevens on the road. Ithaca is at Stevens, home to Elmira and at Utica. I don't think the Bombers will drop any of their 3 games, but Fisher has to be careful of the Naz and Stevens games. As "bamm" stated earlier "they are a young team" I don't think anyone figured they would be where they are at this point. It can all come crashing down with a couple of losses.  

Fisher is #28...

I think I said that.

Like I'm going to read all that?

And also to Dynasty, while 12-2 is very good, it's not any better than any of the teams in the 20's except for one. They're right on the cusp, and should be there soon if they keep winning

[FisherDynasty]

good point.

I apologize to other fisher fans i just think there going to faulter before they get there unfortunately. Hope they prove me wrong.

[FROMAFAR]

First Fisher deserves being close to top 25.... I don't want to hear who didn't play against them, injuries are part of it... all the top 25 have played teams missing someone.
Second.. kudos to Hartwick, they did what gave them the best shot, even though it didn't work, it's all about winning and losing, good job.
Third, kudos to IC, for avoiding a slip with the slow down. They are truly tough.
Fourth, Naz scares me, they can score with anyone, if they just playa little D just a little.. ( I know that's what they do, justa a little). They may mnmake the tourney.
Fifth.. my guys RIT will make the tourney. Even I have a little swagger right now... we are for real
Sixth, Utica is slow but seem to buying into knew coach and system, they can knock anyone off on a good night, except maybe IC.

Stevens makes everyone play sloppy. They haven't played home yet except at KEAN because of a leak..... Teams have all cuaght on except Alfred in the first minutes the other night where they played man to man, and were quickly down by 10-0... then swithched, that the zone neutralizes them. They have one shooter Pasalaqua, who shoots about 35 % from the 3. Not enough to come out of the zone.  WHERE IS GREY, HE DIDN'T PLAY THE LAST TWO GAMES AND WORD IS NO INJURY?

Alfred and Elmire bith have heart but no horses, they may pick someone off before long... Hey PEP play a zone next time against Stevens. But what do I know



 

[Bombers798891]

First Fisher deserves being close to top 25.... I don't want to hear who didn't play against them, injuries are part of it... all the top 25 have played teams missing someone.
Second.. kudos to Hartwick, they did what gave them the best shot, even though it didn't work, it's all about winning and losing, good job.
Third, kudos to IC, for avoiding a slip with the slow down. They are truly tough.
Fourth, Naz scares me, they can score with anyone, if they just playa little D just a little.. ( I know that's what they do, justa a little). They may mnmake the tourney.
Fifth.. my guys RIT will make the tourney. Even I have a little swagger right now... we are for real
Sixth, Utica is slow but seem to buying into knew coach and system, they can knock anyone off on a good night, except maybe IC.

Stevens makes everyone play sloppy. They haven't played home yet except at KEAN because of a leak..... Teams have all cuaght on except Alfred in the first minutes the other night where they played man to man, and were quickly down by 10-0... then swithched, that the zone neutralizes them. They have one shooter Pasalaqua, who shoots about 35 % from the 3. Not enough to come out of the zone.  WHERE IS GREY, HE DIDN'T PLAY THE LAST TWO GAMES AND WORD IS NO INJURY?

Alfred and Elmire bith have heart but no horses, they may pick someone off before long... Hey PEP play a zone next time against Stevens. But what do I know



 

Fisher is where they should be...very close to the Top 25.

Naz doesn't scare me at all. They're 0-3 on the road and 7 of their next 10 are on the road. The defense has been better, but still doesn't strike me as good enough to make it. And I'm not sure who they'll pass. They're two down in the loss column to IC and SJF and three down to RIT. So those are tall orders. Could they pass a Utica or Stevens and get in at 4? Possible, but that's a lot to ask for a team that is 1-7 away from home. Then you throw in the fact that they'll have to be away from home for the Conference tourney and the NCAA;s are a pipe dream.

Could they make the E8 tournament? I guess, if they're lucky. But it's a road heavy schedule with two of the remaining home games being against teams they've already lost to.

My guess:

1. IC-- Probably the top team in the conference, the game vs. RIT will determine #1 seed
2. RIT-- The next 4 games will be critical with a trip to IC at the end, but they should make it with ease
3. SJF-- Closing with Alfred, Utica and Elmira at home is nice.
4. Stevens-- 6 straight home games in conference, plus a road game at Elmira smells like a run to me

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber, when I said NAZ may make the tourney, I meant the E-8. Here's what I see. The 4 spot is between Stevens, Utica and NAZ. Stevens has lost to both, albeit in their house, but they have 2 with RIT and 2 with IC.  Yes they have home cooking but looking at the way they play, I can see either Fisher or Utica picking them off at home, and would be surprised to see them beat either IC of RIT at either gym. Hartwick and Elmira were both hanging around against them as was Alfred to some extent. Their bench is young and they don't have a floor leader. I really think it is between Utica and NAZ for the 4 spot... I was at the Stevens game last night. Hartwick did exactly what everyone should against Stevens. Played a zone, gave Passalaqua his 17, held Grey to 15 ( foul trouble), the rest were spead out but total of 60 PTs... Hartwick forgot to score. Give the Ducks credit, they played good D, except for opening of 2 nd. half. BUT what do i know      

[Bombers798891]

Bomber, when I said NAZ may make the tourney, I meant the E-8. Here's what I see. The 4 spot is between Stevens, Utica and NAZ. Stevens has lost to both, albeit in their house, but they have 2 with RIT and 2 with IC.  Yes they have home cooking but looking at the way they play, I can see either Fisher or Utica picking them off at home, and would be surprised to see them beat either IC of RIT at either gym. Hartwick and Elmira were both hanging around against them as was Alfred to some extent. Their bench is young and they don't have a floor leader. I really think it is between Utica and NAZ for the 4 spot... I was at the Stevens game last night. Hartwick did exactly what everyone should against Stevens. Played a zone, gave Passalaqua his 17, held Grey to 15 ( foul trouble), the rest were spead out but total of 60 PTs... Hartwick forgot to score. Give the Ducks credit, they played good D, except for opening of 2 nd. half. BUT what do i know      

I sort of figured you meant the E8 tourney, but wasn't sure. Yeah, they'll be in the mix for it no doubt. There's so much pressure on that offense to score points. Anything is possible, and the four seed is wide open.

[FROMAFAR]

Staying in the city this weekend. I will be at the RIT game against Stevens, as well as the IC game. Both RIT and IC have had a nice rest prior to this game.  Ducks have to at least split to keep head above water ( although Ducks can swim)....... But what do I know