Empire 8

[FROMAFAR]

That's too bad, Hate to seeany kids miss games...I truly beliebve it won't hurt IC that much against Fisher.. Brown can doa good job on boards agains Cards, and IF Leahy shows up they'll be OK....... Take it easy on me Fisher guys but I say,  IC by 18. But what do I know

[UCgrad45]

Uhhh, what? Not a shot at Ithaca at all.

WHOOOOOOOSH. Neither was mine.



FWIW, UC was only down by 3, and a few seconds later there was a score on the other end. Considering that I kept the running score complete with times, I know what I am talking about.

Trahms didn't say a word on the Tech. The ref explained that he didn't like the "push" on the foul. That was his explanation to the coach and the table. His crew mates didn't agree with him.

And last year, Naz did get the win early in the season from the same Ref who hoses UC out of at least 1 game a year, usually the only one he does. UC outscored them by over 20 from the field. It was something like a 28-5 differential in ft's in a 2 point game. UC proved they were the better team when they smoked them the second time around. Regardless, this is nothing but posturing on your part.

This has nothing to do with the fact that IC looked like two different teams in those halves. Rather than get angry over someone pointing out a concern that I bet even IC's own coaches have, take off your blue and gold glasses.


And bombers, anyone that was there knows that this game was a lot closer than it looked. I understand that gobombers gets his panties in a bunch when someone point out facts he doesn't like. The simple fact is, if UC had made their FT's and taken care of business, it was a different game at the end. That isn't taking anything away from IC, just stating a fact.

[Bombers798891]

Uhhh, what? Not a shot at Ithaca at all.

WHOOOOOOOSH. Neither was mine.



FWIW, UC was only down by 3, and a few seconds later there was a score on the other end. Considering that I kept the running score complete with times, I know what I am talking about.

Trahms didn't say a word on the Tech. The ref explained that he didn't like the "push" on the foul. That was his explanation to the coach and the table. His crew mates didn't agree with him.

And last year, Naz did get the win early in the season from the same Ref who hoses UC out of at least 1 game a year, usually the only one he does. UC outscored them by over 20 from the field. It was something like a 28-5 differential in ft's in a 2 point game. UC proved they were the better team when they smoked them the second time around. Regardless, this is nothing but posturing on your part.

This has nothing to do with the fact that IC looked like two different teams in those halves. Rather than get angry over someone pointing out a concern that I bet even IC's own coaches have, take off your blue and gold glasses.


And bombers, anyone that was there knows that this game was a lot closer than it looked. I understand that gobombers gets his panties in a bunch when someone point out facts he doesn't like. The simple fact is, if UC had made their FT's and taken care of business, it was a different game at the end. That isn't taking anything away from IC, just stating a fact.

Sure it would have been a different game if they could hit free throws. Of course, if Ithaca wasn't missing a guy averaging 11.9/11.4, it would have been a different game as well. But that doesn't warrant a discussion from you does it? The Bombers missing their third-leading scorer and leading rebounder? 

You want a fact? Here's a fact. Utica shoots 65% from the free throw line on the season. They took 11 free throws in the game. If they had hit on 65% of them, they would have made 7. Instead, they made 5. That's two points. Two. You can give them to Herring. He was 0-3 and usually is good on 64%. There you go. Straight up facts. Utica was 5-11 from the line, and their season percentage usually is around 7-11. Take the two points if they mean that much to you. You'd still be playing the "What if" game trying to scrape together a win from that. That's a fact.

Ithaca won that game, in part, because of their free-throw shooting ability.  But free throw shooting is a skill just like any other. A skill that apparently, Utica players don't have, at least in comparison to the Bombers. To say, "Well if Utica could hit their free throws" is easy to say, but Utica's not very good at shooting them. Ithaca is. Sean Burton and Brendan Rogers are two of the best free throw shooters in the conference. Maybe if they'd have gone to Utica, the Pioneers would have won that game. We can play the what if game all day if you want, but since you like facts, here's a few:

Ithaca beat Utica twice.
Ithaca has a significantly better record than Utica
Ithaca is in the Top 10
Utica is not.
Utica will have to fight just to sneak in the E8 tournament, in hopes of getting a backdoor invite to the NCAA's.
Ithaca would have to lose out to miss out, and even then, they'd probably make it.
Ithaca is a better basketball team than Utica. Free throws and all.

[gobombers15]

Right UCgrad, because I never take Ithaca (or Mullins) to task. I haven't posted at least four times this year that they're misusing Bostic on the offensive end. I didn't call Mullins out for switching to a zone against Stevens when Passalacqua, the best 3pt shooter in the conference, checked back in. And I haven't even started about my opinions on Mike Welch yet (but you can look them up in posting history). Nope, I'm not realistic at all.  I've been told on several occasions by other IC grads that I'm "too tough" on Mullins (and Welch) and the program(s). But, according to you, I'm some sort of Bomber delude. A Bomber delude who picked his #11-ranked alma mater to lose to your .500 Pioneers. Wow, I'm really drinking that kool-aid, arent I? Selective reading on your part. Keep casting aspersions. That was an ignorant post on your part.

[FisherDynasty]

bombers/gobombers,

Do you think Mullins is a good enough coach to take Ithaca far in the NCAA Tourny when they face a veterant talented team?  They did beat UofR this year which is a good one but UofR is very young.  They also have a good win over a pretty good st. lawrence team but that was a barn burner.  Just wondering your thoughts as ithaca is one of the more veteran teams this year and there isnt much talent around to give the a good gauge on how good they really are.

[gobombers15]

To more important things than a 15-point win that happened three days ago. A healthy slate of games on the schedule tonight. Here's my best guess:

Oswego (63) at Utica (70)

My heart is saying Oswego, but my head is saying Utica. The SUNYAC is having a down year, so even though the Lakers are meandering (rather than sprinting) up the conference standings, I'll take the E8 team at home.

Nazareth (78) at Elmira (62)

The Golden Flyers had a good weekend and I think it continues in the Southern Tier. I don't see this one being close for long.

Alfred (56) at RIT (67)

RIT should get some breathing room in this one. RIT has hit their groove and Alfred has fallen off a little since their first matchup, a 56-52 win for the Tigers.

Ithaca (71) at Fisher (66)

This is assuming Bostic plays this evening. It's a matchup of the conference's best scoring offense (Ithaca--90ppg) against the conference's top scoring defense (Fisher--55ppg). Ithaca probably won't sniff 90 pts, but the question will be if Fisher can score enough to win. If Bostic plays, I like the Bombers. If not, I lean towards Fisher.

[buck1053]

bombers/gobombers,

Do you think Mullins is a good enough coach to take Ithaca far in the NCAA Tourny when they face a veterant talented team?  They did beat UofR this year which is a good one but UofR is very young.  They also have a good win over a pretty good st. lawrence team but that was a barn burner.  Just wondering your thoughts as ithaca is one of the more veteran teams this year and there isnt much talent around to give the a good gauge on how good they really are.

I'm not the one you addressed this to, but thought I'd throw my two cents in anyway.

Mullins might not be a good enough coach to lead them far into the tourney, but Burton -- Sean that is -- might be.

[gobombers15]

bombers/gobombers,

Do you think Mullins is a good enough coach to take Ithaca far in the NCAA Tourny when they face a veterant talented team?  They did beat UofR this year which is a good one but UofR is very young.  They also have a good win over a pretty good st. lawrence team but that was a barn burner.  Just wondering your thoughts as ithaca is one of the more veteran teams this year and there isnt much talent around to give the a good gauge on how good they really are.

Good question. We'll find out, won't we? I hate to be non-committal, but I'm really not sure. I think the team can beat anyone if they get four home games to start the NCAA Tournament. They can also lose to most teams that'll be in the NCAA's. It'll be interesting to see how they play when they get in a tight game or are behind by a few in the 2nd round or Sweet 16. Will they still be their freewheeling selves or will they tense up? The precedent of past E8 Tourneys is not a good one and they seemingly shrink in the moment. These guys have won a lot of games, but they've never won an E8 Tourney game, nor have they won an NCAA game. I think the most important NCAA game for them will be their first one. If they can get that first win out of their system, we may see them go far. But I also wouldn't be surprised if they lost their first game.

Mullins just kinda needs to stay out of the way while putting them in a position to succeed. He has the players, and that's 90% of the battle, in my opinion. He just needs to ride his horses and they'll be fine.

[Bombers798891]

bombers/gobombers,

Do you think Mullins is a good enough coach to take Ithaca far in the NCAA Tourny when they face a veterant talented team?  They did beat UofR this year which is a good one but UofR is very young.  They also have a good win over a pretty good st. lawrence team but that was a barn burner.  Just wondering your thoughts as ithaca is one of the more veteran teams this year and there isnt much talent around to give the a good gauge on how good they really are.

Good question. We'll find out, won't we? I hate to be non-committal, but I'm really not sure. I think the team can beat anyone if they get four home games to start the NCAA Tournament. They can also lose to most teams that'll be in the NCAA's. It'll be interesting to see how they play when they get in a tight game or are behind by a few in the 2nd round or Sweet 16. Will they still be their freewheeling selves or will they tense up? The precedent of past E8 Tourneys is not a good one and they seemingly shrink in the moment. These guys have won a lot of games, but they've never won an E8 Tourney game, nor have they won an NCAA game. I think the most important NCAA game for them will be their first one. If they can get that first win out of their system, we may see them go far. But I also wouldn't be surprised if they lost their first game.

Mullins just kinda needs to stay out of the way while putting them in a position to succeed. He has the players, and that's 90% of the battle, in my opinion. He just needs to ride his horses and they'll be fine.

I sort of agree. Mullins is not the kind of guy to lead an undermanned team to greatness, but, he's done a good job keeping this team focused and on track. They've played a mostly road schedule and have to be given credit for that. Rebounding from a wierd RIT loss and winning at Utica sans Bostic isn't something to sneeze at.

[UCgrad45]

Uhhh, what? Not a shot at Ithaca at all.

WHOOOOOOOSH. Neither was mine.



FWIW, UC was only down by 3, and a few seconds later there was a score on the other end. Considering that I kept the running score complete with times, I know what I am talking about.

Trahms didn't say a word on the Tech. The ref explained that he didn't like the "push" on the foul. That was his explanation to the coach and the table. His crew mates didn't agree with him.

And last year, Naz did get the win early in the season from the same Ref who hoses UC out of at least 1 game a year, usually the only one he does. UC outscored them by over 20 from the field. It was something like a 28-5 differential in ft's in a 2 point game. UC proved they were the better team when they smoked them the second time around. Regardless, this is nothing but posturing on your part.

This has nothing to do with the fact that IC looked like two different teams in those halves. Rather than get angry over someone pointing out a concern that I bet even IC's own coaches have, take off your blue and gold glasses.


And bombers, anyone that was there knows that this game was a lot closer than it looked. I understand that gobombers gets his panties in a bunch when someone point out facts he doesn't like. The simple fact is, if UC had made their FT's and taken care of business, it was a different game at the end. That isn't taking anything away from IC, just stating a fact.

Sure it would have been a different game if they could hit free throws. Of course, if Ithaca wasn't missing a guy averaging 11.9/11.4, it would have been a different game as well. But that doesn't warrant a discussion from you does it? The Bombers missing their third-leading scorer and leading rebounder? 

You want a fact? Here's a fact. Utica shoots 65% from the free throw line on the season. They took 11 free throws in the game. If they had hit on 65% of them, they would have made 7. Instead, they made 5. That's two points. Two. You can give them to Herring. He was 0-3 and usually is good on 64%. There you go. Straight up facts. Utica was 5-11 from the line, and their season percentage usually is around 7-11. Take the two points if they mean that much to you. You'd still be playing the "What if" game trying to scrape together a win from that. That's a fact.

Ithaca won that game, in part, because of their free-throw shooting ability.  But free throw shooting is a skill just like any other. A skill that apparently, Utica players don't have, at least in comparison to the Bombers. To say, "Well if Utica could hit their free throws" is easy to say, but Utica's not very good at shooting them. Ithaca is. Sean Burton and Brendan Rogers are two of the best free throw shooters in the conference. Maybe if they'd have gone to Utica, the Pioneers would have won that game. We can play the what if game all day if you want, but since you like facts, here's a few:

Ithaca beat Utica twice.
Ithaca has a significantly better record than Utica
Ithaca is in the Top 10
Utica is not.
Utica will have to fight just to sneak in the E8 tournament, in hopes of getting a backdoor invite to the NCAA's.
Ithaca would have to lose out to miss out, and even then, they'd probably make it.
Ithaca is a better basketball team than Utica. Free throws and all.

And what does any of your irrelevant ranting have to do with the fact that IC struggled and looked like a different team in the second half when they were forced to play back to back games for the first time all season?

Pointing that out is a far cry from suggesting whatever it is you think I am suggesting. Typical Ithaca fan.

[UCgrad45]

But, according to you, I'm some sort of Bomber delude. A Bomber delude who picked his #11-ranked alma mater to lose to your .500 Pioneers

Which is what makes your getting offended, when someone pointed out that UC missed enough FT's to put them into the lead if they had simply converted, that much more funny. How dare they point out any criticism of the winning team! That must mean that they think they are the better team and should have won! They must be taking a shot at IC. How dare they! Only fans of a team can do this, and any team that won played a perfect game and looked great all 40 minutes of it!

I've seen a Sweet 16 team. The legs on Ithaca at this point isn't one. It isn't their fault that the 9th team now throws off the weekend series games (Which I think is a shame, add another team already). It is just something that they will have to get better with during their remaining schedule.

You know, when I was involved with the UC program more, we always supported the guys from IC and their coaches when it came conference tournament time (When they weren't playing us). Normally, if they got into the tourny I would pull for them to do well in it. However, pantywaist hypocrites who can't take even a hint of constructive criticism from someone who has actually seen first hand what it takes to do what this team wants to do, are making me think of changing my tune on that.

[FisherDynasty]

Im not trying to get involved in this one as it appears certian people have taken posts to heart.  I can see UCgrads point to an EXTENT but he still goes overboard and sounds rediculous when tries to make points.  I think GoBombers has been very neutral this year and made good points and bombers12341483093 isn't as off the deep end as UCgrad but is a little biased and takes offense to certain posts as well.  Nothings wrong with being a fan and having faith in your team just try to stay open minded in the situation at hand.  back and forth back and forth bickering over nothing is making me not want to look at this site anymore.

[UCgrad45]

Im not trying to get involved in this one as it appears certian people have taken posts to heart.  I can see UCgrads point to an EXTENT but he still goes overboard and sounds rediculous when tries to make points.  I think GoBombers has been very neutral this year and made good points and bombers12341483093 isn't as off the deep end as UCgrad but is a little biased and takes offense to certain posts as well.  Nothings wrong with being a fan and having faith in your team just try to stay open minded in the situation at hand.  back and forth back and forth bickering over nothing is making me not want to look at this site anymore.

It is too bad that gobombers is so insecure that he thinks anything other than worshipping at the alter of ithaca is taking shots at them. That way, bickering could be avoided. It is also sad that he assumes I think highly enough of him to play games with "karma" on a message board.

[UCgrad45]

bombers/gobombers,

Do you think Mullins is a good enough coach to take Ithaca far in the NCAA Tourny when they face a veterant talented team?  They did beat UofR this year which is a good one but UofR is very young.  They also have a good win over a pretty good st. lawrence team but that was a barn burner.  Just wondering your thoughts as ithaca is one of the more veteran teams this year and there isnt much talent around to give the a good gauge on how good they really are.

He has very capable assistants.

[gobombers15]

I'm at the point where I read the first two sentences of UCgrad's nonsense before skipping to the next post. Keep slipping further into irrelevance, UCgrad.