Empire 8

BJ - DSU SID · March 09, 2009, 12:15:35 AM

Fair enough...appreciate your insight and your well wishes.

I hope we can continue this run...it's been a fun season.

FROMAFAR · March 09, 2009, 07:40:05 AM

Well, we're done..... I can't knock IC, while my season was made when the Tigers won the E8 Tourney, I think our loss in the NCAA was a telling tale..We really were not a strong conference, actually we are pretty weak...Yea we have some good players, very few high quality GAME coaches (but good guys who work with the players off the court, which has to count)...BUT game situations

.... I think the conference will take another step back next year as well. (without knowing the freshman coming)...It'll be fun during league play because it will be competitive, and basically wide open as to who will excel........This was certainly a tell tale week for the E-8........BUT WHAT DO I KNOW

Cyclone0205 · March 09, 2009, 11:27:54 AM

Haha, down next year may be an understatement. Again, we don't know who will come in, but it's rare that freshman come in and completely dominate the conference. So, let's look at the "who's who" the E8 is losing:

Sean Burton
Jeff Bostic
Virgil Gray
Anthony Passalacqua
Michael Baker
Mark Carson
Jan Cocozziello
Doug Herring
Ryan McAdam

....I'd put the senior e8 team up against any d3 team in the country. Great group there.

Ethelred the Unready · March 09, 2009, 01:10:40 PM

Quote from: Cyclone0205 on March 09, 2009, 11:27:54 AM
Haha, down next year may be an understatement. Again, we don't know who will come in, but it's rare that freshman come in and completely dominate the conference. So, let's look at the "who's who" the E8 is losing:

Sean Burton
Jeff Bostic
Virgil Gray
Anthony Passalacqua
Michael Baker
Mark Carson
Jan Cocozziello
Doug Herring
Ryan McAdam

....I'd put the senior e8 team up against any d3 team in the country. Great group there.

Great team. Who would you get to coach it?

NaztyNate · March 09, 2009, 02:31:07 PM

Kornaker and the Alfred coach are the 2 best in the E8.

FisherDynasty · March 09, 2009, 02:44:49 PM

If i were to have a starting five id have

burton
coco crisp
Ryan McAdam
Bostic
Carson

Ethelred the Unready · March 09, 2009, 02:55:46 PM

Quote from: FisherDynasty on March 09, 2009, 02:44:49 PM
If i were to have a starting five id have

burton
coco crisp
Ryan McAdam
Bostic
Carson

That's a LOT of shots. Part of my duties, back in the day, was keeping stats for our girls JV team. This particular season they had quite a good team. Finished undefeated in fact. One game that stands out was one where they took 83 shots. In 32 minutes. With an actual team playing defense. I would bet that the team listed above would take that many. From just the guard spots.

buck1053 · March 09, 2009, 05:01:26 PM

Quote from: NaztyNate on March 09, 2009, 02:31:07 PM
Kornaker and the Alfred coach are the 2 best in the E8.

Kornaker has at least won some games and had some tourney appearances. What has Wellman done?
He has coached in the E8 for one season, leading Alfred to an 8-17 overall record and 3-13 record in the conference. That was good for 8th place, edging out Elmira by one game. They also were three wins away from 7th place Stevens in league play.

I guess I'm just wondering what credentials he's got to make him one of the two best coaches in the E8.

FROMAFAR · March 10, 2009, 07:42:17 AM

Nasty, I actually chuckled at your question of what credentials does Wellman have........ WHO ELSE IS THERE..... Connolly would probably get my vote with Kornaker.... BUT that is really it. let's face it you had to prepare for Alfred, because they could beat you (all coaching) but I am not going to get into a debate over Wellman as a coaching genius. This conference lacks great coaches.......ALL NICE GUYS but a lot of flaws. We saw IC's lack of discipline with all those 3's taken and no adjustment. Even with only 3 losses they probably underachived..tough spot for a coach..I think RIT overachieved, but could have used a better game plan in NCAA> Utica probably played right to what they should have. I believe Fisher overachieved, albeit late season collapse... maybe not a collapse at all, just playing to real potential. NAZ really had no form at all........ no defense and seemed to ad lib, except for IC game in E 8 tourney.. one game well coached.. why not all year? Hartwick, actually could have been a little better. However they did scare some of the top teams as did Alfred. Stevens was a complete disappointment, how many close games did they not close out.. because of extremely poor foul shooting and no floor general...Elmira was Elmira...who knows as wide open as it may be next year, they could be in the mix... Hey coaches... no knock on any of you....... As I said earlier, I belive you are all nice guys and help these kids off the court immensley... just an opinion from an E 8 junkie.......what do I know

NaztyNate · March 10, 2009, 11:11:26 AM

I was the one who nominated Wellman, not the one who questioned him. And I nominated him with Kornaker because of those exact reasons. Alfred was a tough game this year for the first time in a long time simply because they were well coached. They are extremely young and in my opinion will be very good down the road with them getting older and the rest of the E8 getting thinner. And your assessment of the rest of the E8 coaches is dead on. Extremely nice guys who are "game management challenged". The Empire 8 is a place to go if you want to get a decent job when youre 23 or if you need a positive father figure role model. It is not a place to attend if you wish you to go to Final Fours......Not saying there is anything wrong with that, just stating the facts.

FROMAFAR · March 10, 2009, 01:28:39 PM

Sorry Nasty, your right Buck questioned Wellman, I told you guys I am too old.....As you read my post I agree Alfred was all coaching and I believe next years E 8 is WIDE OPEN........the league loses a lot of talent.........You are also right these schools are the place to be for an education which I guess is the bottom line..........THAT I DO KNOW....

owen · March 10, 2009, 05:39:58 PM

Agreed. Maybe that's part of why we love D3? Last bastion of the true athlete scholar?

clearconceit · March 10, 2009, 11:10:48 PM

Not sure about the order of coaches. I know we had the best one with Andy. not the same without him around.
Just from this guys opinion the 3 toughest jobs are Elmira, Alfred, and Hartwick. Not sure any of the Rochester schools should ever lose to them.
Perspective is important. Hartwick winning the ECAC's is pretty amazing really.
Of the 3, Hartwick has seperated themselves from that group.
Kudos to those kids and Coach Culpo for their season.

As far as ranking coaches based on winning national championships this league is not a national championship league.
John Wooden wouldn't win a championship in this league. Get real. So from that standpoint nobody is a good coach I guess.
What I saw Coach Goody do here was terrific. We were a bad program and when he left we right near the top. Without the advantages of many of the schools in this league.

TheNextLevel · March 11, 2009, 11:15:43 AM

Quote from: clearconceit on March 10, 2009, 11:10:48 PM
Not sure about the order of coaches. I know we had the best one with Andy. not the same without him around.
Just from this guys opinion the 3 toughest jobs are Elmira, Alfred, and Hartwick. Not sure any of the Rochester schools should ever lose to them.
Perspective is important. Hartwick winning the ECAC's is pretty amazing really.
Of the 3, Hartwick has seperated themselves from that group.
Kudos to those kids and Coach Culpo for their season.

As far as ranking coaches based on winning national championships this league is not a national championship league.
John Wooden wouldn't win a championship in this league. Get real. So from that standpoint nobody is a good coach I guess.
What I saw Coach Goody do here was terrific. We were a bad program and when he left we right near the top. Without the advantages of many of the schools in this league.

I agree for the most part. Goody was the best, but he is gone. I don't know how the votes broke down but Culpo is a very good and deserved serious consideration for coach of the year. Hartwick is a tough place to recruit. Put him at Ithaca, Fisher or even Utica and he would do very well.

magicman · March 18, 2009, 05:27:00 AM

All-East Region Team just announced and no surprise as Sean Burton is named Player of the Year and Coach Mullins named Coach of the Year. Empire 8 players captured 5 of the 10 spots. Congratulations to all.

Men's All-East Region Team
Players were nominated for these awards by the Sports Information Directors at the various schools. All SIDs in the region were given the opportunity to vote.

Player of the Year: Sean Burton, G, Ithaca
Coach of the Year: Jim Mullins, Ithaca
Rookie of the Year: Chad Burridge, F, Oswego State

First team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Sean Burton Ithaca Sr. Yorkville, N.Y.
G Scott Morton Geneseo State Sr. Syracuse, N.Y.
F Mike Chmielowiec Rochester Sr. Batavia, N.Y.
F Sam Simmons RPI Sr. Newburgh, N.Y.
C Mark Carson Rochester Tech Sr. Voorheesville, N.Y.

Second team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Corey McAdam Nazareth Jr. Fairport, N.Y.
G Tom Wopperer St. Lawrence Sr. Manlius, N.Y.
F Ryan McAdam Nazareth Sr. Fairport, N.Y.
F David Golembiowski SUNYIT So. Barneveld, N.Y.
C Jeff Bostic Ithaca Sr. Geneva, N.Y.