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gobombers15 · January 29, 2006, 10:20:02 PM

NJR, 15 is 15, no matter how they come. Scorers find a way to score, it's the defender's job to stop him. Nobody is saying Bennett didn't do a good job on him, we're just saying Bellis did better than he usually does against Bennett.

By the way, watching the webcast of the game I noticed that Fisher's white uniforms look very Stanford-esque (especially the shorts). Did Fisher get new white uni's this year? I remember their whites from last year or the year before looked kinda old and the size of the shorts and jerseys weren't nearly as baggy as they are now.

Superman and UCgrad, no point in continuing to use syllogistic(A beat B, B beat C, therefore A will beat C) logic to figure out who will win in next weekend's Utica/Fisher game. You guys should know enough about sports to know that's not the way things work. Things like matchups and atmosphere can and do have an impact on the game. If anyone remembers, last year Caz Bombers found a way, through 13 degrees of separation, that would prove Hartwick (2-24 last year) would "beat" North Carolina (D1 nat'l champs). How many of us really think Hartwick could have stayed within 60 of UNC last year? Put your hand down, MadHawk. Bottom line, that line of logic is fallacious at best when used in a sporting realm, as evidenced by Caz's example.

UCgrad, I just don't think your FT argument carries much weight. Going into yesterday's game, Utica was shooting 66.1% from the FT line; yesterday, they shot 65.6%. They shot their FT's almost exactly the same as they have all season! The fact that six of the misses were front-ends is irrelevant to me, too. Free-throws are a part of the game, one of the easiest too, so if you can't make your FT's you're usually not that good of a team, right? It sounds like RIT simply outworked a Utica team that was far bigger and more athletic than the Tigers. That falls on the players and coaches, not on any missed FT's or missed dunks.

superman57 · January 29, 2006, 11:02:30 PM

GB15 thanks for the 16 degree's of sepperation, but I think I was trying to prove a point and I realize that it is a game and anything can happen, (see North Dakota State beating Wisconsin and Hartwick winning any games at all) I was trying to prove that if you can't beat the weaker of the two strong rochester teams in rochester then you will have a rough time with the number 22 team in the country who has already beaten you once.

P.S. I was only joking about hartwick

clearconceit · January 30, 2006, 08:50:58 AM

My my the board is testy. RIT beat us! there is that good enough for everyone.

I still think we are going to the tourny - so I guess that means we whave to beat Fisher at Fisher. There I said that too. We have the best player and a good coach and this is our year.

Hey MadHawk did you kill yourself in celebrating?

fisheralum91 · January 30, 2006, 09:58:16 AM

Clear,
You aren't even on the national radar.
You expect to get there how?
Beating SJF in Rochester and remain undefeated the rest of the season?
That is a tall order.
BTW- I loved the way the OD tucked the UC loss to RIT on page 4 of the Sunday paper!

gobombers15 · January 30, 2006, 10:00:27 AM

I think MadHawk had two beers in celebration of Hartwick's win over Naz and he's probably still too hungover to post.

UCgrad45 · January 30, 2006, 10:09:31 AM

"Superman and UCgrad, no point in continuing to use syllogistic(A beat B, B beat C, therefore A will beat C) logic to figure out who will win in next weekend's Utica/Fisher game. You guys should know enough about sports to know that's not the way things work. Things like matchups and atmosphere can and do have an impact on the game"

I was being sarcastic to show superman that his claim didn't hold water.

UCgrad45 · January 30, 2006, 10:14:05 AM

Quote from: fisheralum91 on January 30, 2006, 09:58:16 AM
Clear,
You aren't even on the national radar.
You expect to get there how?
Beating SJF in Rochester and remain undefeated the rest of the season?
That is a tall order.
BTW- I loved the way the OD tucked the UC loss to RIT on page 4 of the Sunday paper!

Utica beats Oswego and Fisher, and they have then beaten and/or are one of one of the top two teams in the liberty league, SUNYACS and Empire 8 respectively. That would be huge in considering an at large bid. A few years ago Fisher was not quite on the national radar either, had Utica beat them in the championship game, which they lost by three at Fisher, Fisher likely would have had an at large bid.

fisheralum91 · January 30, 2006, 10:35:10 AM

UC grad45,
Still, you have to win out.
Aint goin to happen!

gobombers15 · January 30, 2006, 10:43:12 AM

I agree with Fisheralum. In order for Utica to get an at-large bid they probably have to beat Fisher and Oswego at their places. If Utica doesn't beat Ithaca in the Bulb--it's going to be a close game--then even if they do beat Fisher and Oswego, they have no shot at an at-large. All that said, if Utica gets blownout in the E8 final, I wouldn't be surprised if they were snubbed.

In other words, they need to win the rest of their regular season games and play Fisher close in the E8 final if they want an at-large. That loss at RIT was fairly damaging for those hopes.

woot · January 30, 2006, 11:19:51 AM

fisher looks too tough right now for utica. great turnaround season though for utica.

col · January 30, 2006, 03:41:22 PM

clear, I didn't realize Hartwick had the best player in the league. Who is it?

rjcarter8 · January 30, 2006, 06:57:51 PM

I don't think Hartwick has the best player in the league, but Jan Coccozziello is one of the better freshmen in the league.

BTW, MadHawk where are you? I can't believe you haven't posted since the victory. Come on man, everyone wants to hear what you've got to say about Hartwick's rise to the top of the E8.

superman57 · January 30, 2006, 07:49:13 PM

I am starting a pool of what happened to Mad Hawk,
6-1 While at the Naz game saw the fisher campus and decided to transfer to a real winner
5-2-Met Clear at a local bar and admited his true love
even money-Bamm met him at the naz game then gagged him and threw him in a closet somewhere at RIT

Please do not take offesence to this post it is just joking with everybody

gobombers15 · January 30, 2006, 08:37:50 PM

Superman, you're just lobbing that one up there for everyone to hit out of the park. I have a ton of work to do or else I could probably come up with odds for about 40 things that could have potentially happened to MadHawk. I'll just do a couple for now.

35-1: At the RIT game, met a female student as ugly as him and ran off with her. He knew it was love at first sight when she took him up on his offer to listen to him recite every Hartwick starting guard since the 1973 season.

6-1: Went to Paradise Alley to celebrate 'Wick's victory over Naz. While sipping his water he proceeded to give the two bouncers a 30-minute narrative on the "History of Hartwick Basketball." About two minutes into his speech, he was forcibly carried to the bathroom where he's been attempting to remove himself from the toilet ever since.

UCgrad45 · January 30, 2006, 09:02:20 PM

Quote from: rjcarter8 on January 30, 2006, 06:57:51 PM
I don't think Hartwick has the best player in the league, but Jan Coccozziello is one of the better freshmen in the league.

BTW, MadHawk where are you? I can't believe you haven't posted since the victory. Come on man, everyone wants to hear what you've got to say about Hartwick's rise to the top of the E8.

I agree that he is one of the better freshmen. I don't think he is the best freshman however. He has a lot of athletic ability, and plays very hard. However, he really needs to refine his game. As he matures, he could easily develop into the best player in the conference. Right now however, he makes a lot of freshman mistakes that other freshmen in the league are not making. It could be attributed to trying to do to much to make up for the overall lack of talent on his team. It will be interesting to see what he does his senior year.

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