Empire 8

Bombers798891 · January 20, 2010, 04:25:31 PM

Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 20, 2010, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on January 20, 2010, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: FROMAFAR on January 20, 2010, 01:29:55 PM
If I were an IC fan I would want to play us too.......The only win we have on that list is one that came after the buzzer......good... talented, which ever way you want, but yes underachieving... But how do we know RIT is talented... based on what...last year? We had Carson, more of dominant player than I gave him credit for...yea we can see talented players out their, but if they lose is it because they don't play together or maybe they are not as talented as we think...... I will say this, they look confused on offense, and the bigs do not play as bigs.. they can shoot and like to shoot, but we need some inside presence. We need a couple of wins, some sort of jump start........

If you can get out to a 34-9 lead at the 9:28 mark of the first half an the road against a 12-4 team, you've gotta have some talent...

or somebody's not playing defense....

True, defense is optional quite a bit at IC, but what about the 9 points? Against a team averaging 87 a game? The Bombers were awful in those opening 10 1/2 minutes, but RIT was hitting jumpers and threes. They were contesting shots from IC. For at least those 10 minutes, they looked pretty good. The last 16 is another story

Queens · January 21, 2010, 10:44:25 AM

Fromafar,

Did you see the stevens game last night? I saw they went into OT. Do you have a recap?

FROMAFAR · January 21, 2010, 10:46:57 AM

Bomber, we have basketball players, and quite few have talent... but they have to play together. To do that it takes coaching ( McVean is a good coach in my opininion) , BUT the players have to be somewhat coordinated, hence my believe in a Cerebral point guard. Last year we had Carson who kept the game plan in place.....albeit he was a center. We don't have that. Teams without a "floor general" are in trouble. In that game there was the combination of a team on fire, and another cold as ice early....we scored those 34 points because we were on and IC really doesn't have a clue on defense. No disrespect, but I have seen them.......But they have a lot of answers on offense, and that gets them by. The only problem I see IC may have is, a basketball game is a game of runs. Against a team that plays very good defense, like Fisher, and Stevens..If either of those teams can sustain a consistent offense against you, you will have trouble, because as you guys have shown, your a team of runs, and good defenses, usually keep runs minimal, BUT what do I know.... hey I rather be in your position than mine.... Our defense is spotty, and we just look confused on offense. One thing you are not is "confused on offense.

bomber3 · January 21, 2010, 12:36:37 PM

Quote from: BKPioneer on January 17, 2010, 12:38:27 PM
I usually don't post negative stuff, but I have to get this off my chest. I'm a UC fan through and through. The performance of the teams under Connolly is flat out embarrassing. I never agreed with that hire to begin with and he just proves why, that should have been Jeff Gorski's job hands down. No one likes playing for this guy and it shows in the teams effort on the court. He needs to leave or UC will again be the doormat of the E8. And for you guys thinking that UC will challenge for one of those four conference spots, we have no chance with this guys at reigns. He couldn't coach Kentucky to the E8 tourney. Thanks for letting me vent.

If you didn't like Connolly last week you certainly aren't going to like him any better after last night's beatdown. SUNYIT destroys Utica 76-42 at Utica. Utica is as inconsistent as RIT.

FROMAFAR · January 21, 2010, 01:06:27 PM

Yea that Utica loss really doesn't bode well for the E-8... makes us look bad... But Stevens handed a good Baruch team a loss in their house last night.......... Baruch just lost to #21 Patterson in O.T I believe this week... There are a lot of tell tale games coming up this weekend.......

Bombers798891 · January 21, 2010, 10:49:01 PM

Quote from: FROMAFAR on January 21, 2010, 01:06:27 PM
Yea that Utica loss really doesn't bode well for the E-8... makes us look bad... But Stevens handed a good Baruch team a loss in their house last night.......... Baruch just lost to #21 Patterson in O.T I believe this week... There are a lot of tell tale games coming up this weekend.......

Ugh, it makes pretty much everyone look bad. IC's loss to them just looks worse by the day...

bomber3 · January 22, 2010, 10:14:23 AM

Weird scheduling has IC facing Fisher twice in under 2 weeks and RIT twice in 6 days

With Fisher coming to IC tonight this is Ithaca's last shot at claiming a 3rd straight regular season E9 title. Fisher would have essentially a 4 game lead over IC (3 in the standings + the tiebreaker) and could stumble a few times (Naz currently only one loss) and still claim the crown.

A few keys to tonight's game:

IC must rebound. They got hammered on the glass @ Fisher (outrebounded by 20+) and Fisher just seemed to want it more. Two particular plays come to mind - Newman twice missed a three pointer short only to have no one box him out and he got both rebounds back and Fisher scored. IC needs to play with more of an urgency and do a better job on the glass.

Since Fisher controlled the glass on the defensive end they were able to get out and get easy transition buckets. IC either needs to score more (obviously), which will force Fisher to take it out and slow their break or do a better job containing SJF's fastbreak.

Jordan Marcus cannot have 1 point and expect IC to beat this team. Fisher did a good job limiting him 2weeks ago but I doubt they can do it in Ithaca.

Fisher is probably the slight favorite but I expect IC to come out fired up for this game. Hopefully Cruz can carry over his monster game from Tuesday and IC can play the way they did in the second half against RIT! Gooo Bombers.

sjfcards · January 22, 2010, 10:45:12 AM

maybe it is just me but I have not seen anything in league play that would lead me to say Fisher is a slight favorite tonight against IC.Ithaca has struggled with Utica, RIT, and Stevens. And IC got thumped by Fisher two weeks ago. I am not saying IC can not or will not win. I am just saying if. Vegas made odds on this game fisher would probably be a big favorite.

bomber3 · January 22, 2010, 11:16:20 AM

Quote from: sjfcards on January 22, 2010, 10:45:12 AM
maybe it is just me but I have not seen anything in league play that would lead me to say Fisher is a slight favorite tonight against IC.Ithaca has struggled with Utica, RIT, and Stevens. And IC got thumped by Fisher two weeks ago. I am not saying IC can not or will not win. I am just saying if. Vegas made odds on this game fisher would probably be a big favorite.

What do you define as a big favorite? I'm saying slight = a 5-6 point favorite.

I know Fisher killed them 2 weeks ago but IC is still a 13-4 team and Fisher is still a 13-3 team.

sjfcards · January 22, 2010, 11:31:49 AM

I know IC is a very good team, and I am sure they will be right in the game tonight. However, if were looking at what the two teams have done so far,especially the last 2 or 3 weeks I would say Fisher is more like an 8-10 point favorite. fisher has clearly been the better team since league play started to get into full swing.

bomber3 · January 22, 2010, 11:56:38 AM

Quote from: sjfcards on January 22, 2010, 11:31:49 AM
I know IC is a very good team, and I am sure they will be right in the game tonight. However, if were looking at what the two teams have done so far,especially the last 2 or 3 weeks I would say Fisher is more like an 8-10 point favorite. fisher has clearly been the better team since league play started to get into full swing.

Ok so your line is 9.... I'm taking IC - we shall see

sjfcards · January 22, 2010, 12:22:04 PM

Should be a lot of fun on south hill tonight. Again, I don't think Fisher will run away in this at all. The exact opposite. I expect a tight game decided by 5 or less. My 9 point spread is just where I would set the line on past performances this year. Anybody going to the game tonight?

Bombers798891 · January 22, 2010, 12:45:53 PM

The Bombers have to start out better. Getting down 34-9 is not an option.

Regarding the rebounding, one of the things IC does, especially when down, is race down the court and fire up a quick 3. The problem is, they really don't have anyone down low to get a rebound, so if they miss, there's no hope.

I think Ithaca could give Fisher a game if they get in a rhythm early. The Cardinals don't strike me as a team that will cough up a big lead and if they get down, they become so reliant on the three-pointers. Marcus is no doubt a big factor, but Cruz-Rivas needs to have a big game too. It's tough because he's usually guarding the other team's best player, but I think he needs to get up around 20.

FROMAFAR · January 22, 2010, 01:26:20 PM

One thing I do Know are spreads on games. They are not made to define the amount of points one team is better than the other.... BELIEVE ME. The spread is made to get parity ( how's that magic) in betting. The people taking the action ( bookmakers and Vegas) get 10% of the losers bet. They wan't the same amount bet on both teams, therefore they have no interest in who wins or loses. They get 10%. You will notice when there is a spread which looks too easy FOR INSTANCE..... Indy 2.5 over JETS a few weeks ago, and Buffalo 8.5 over Colts a few weeks ago..... if anyones life depended on it no one was betting the JETS or Buffalo...( forget the fact that the Colts were not playing their best) no one would have the nerve to bet Jets or Billls... with those points..anyone who bet, bet Colts and lost.......... In that case the spread was not made for parity, it was made to make $ on the bet rather than the 10% on loss. TRUST me on this...............Now the matter at hand, the spread you guys are talking about tonight is how much better is one team than the other........OR what would be a spread that would create 50% of people to pick one way and 50% the other. So we take the following into consideration... Fisher beat IC handily already...However game was at Fisher ( which is a big home factor, more-so than Ithaca being home). IC loses to Utica, which says a lot as well. So if I was going to make a spread that would create all those without an AX to grind (no Fisher or IC guys) to have to think long and hard.... I would say the line should be Fisher -5. That does not mean Fisher is going to win by 5 it just means it would be hard for anyone to feel confident in their bet......Now if I hear back that 90% of you think Fisher is at least 5 points better than IC tonight, then if there was betting on the game ( I know there isn't) then my theory would say bet IC.

Now who do I think is going to win... This is where What do I know comes in....I believe Fisher will win, but have no idea by how many.....Trust me on how spreads are made.... I KNOW......

magicman · January 22, 2010, 02:44:26 PM

Quote from: FROMAFAR on January 22, 2010, 01:26:20 PM
One thing I do Know are spreads on games. They are not made to define the amount of points one team is better than the other.... BELIEVE ME. The spread is made to get parity ( how's that magic) in betting.

FROMAFAR,
Good job. Noah Webster is no longer rolling over in his grave!!