Empire 8

[fisheralum91]

wow on behalf of fisher alums everywhere i need to apologize for that post from fisherman
were any of us that bad when we were in school?
god
here is hoping that age and common sense combine

[Go Naz]

FROMAR,  I know that Miranda's injury is not still lingering.  Other than that I'm not really sure where his minutes went this year.  Naz definately needs help off the bench though, I believe they have 3 guys in the top ten for minutes played in the league this year, including 2 of the top 3? (Mcadam and Stephens) Just have to hope theyre in good condition and don't hit a wall.

[bomber3]

FROMAR,  I know that Miranda's injury is not still lingering.  Other than that I'm not really sure where his minutes went this year.  Naz definately needs help off the bench though, I believe they have 3 guys in the top ten for minutes played in the league this year, including 2 of the top 3? (Mcadam and Stephens) Just have to hope theyre in good condition and don't hit a wall.

Some players just don't progress over the course of their careers. Whether they become injured, lose motivation, or peak in their freshman/sophomore years, there are a lot of players who don't progress over the course of their careers.  This occurs at each level of NCAAs year after year at every school in my opinion.  Miranda had talent a few years back so I'm sure the injury played a part in his progress over his career.

On tap tonight:
Ithaca @ Hartwick -- RIT is rooting hard for Hartwick and can tie IC in the loss column if Hartwick can pull it off (assuming RIT can take care of Elmira).  Hartwick still has a prayer for the 4th spot but needs IC to lose its final 3 and they need to win their remaining games.  I think this will be a tough game for IC and Hartwick will not go down without a fight. I say IC wins by less than 10 in a tight one.


RIT @ Elmira -- We'll see if Elmira can give RIT as much trouble as they gave Fisher last week.  Doubtful, but we'll see.  I say RIT wins by 20+ something like 77-56.  Elmira has been struggling to score -- averaging 53 points over its past 6 games (with one game going to OT) and shooting 36% as a team on the season.


Weak schedule this weekend...

[FROMAFAR]

Yes I ama  big Hartwick fan tonight, and hope the Tigers take care of their own business against Elmira.

Naz I understand your point about progressing, but as stated a lot of minutes being used by too few. This can hurt them as the season is waning down... They all get tired to a degree... Unless he has degressed, rather than he hasn't progressed,  what he had was good enough to spell more playing time.... Now I realize we are dealing with College students and maybe he lost his edge, ( I hope not ) or he just doesn't fit into the coaches rotation. In any event Naz starters could use a few minutes... BUT

[Bombers798891]

Hartwick was up 21-12 when the video feed ate it

[Bombers798891]

47-41 Bombers with 13:50 left...all I know about points is that Marcus had at least three threes in the opening part of the second half

[Bombers798891]

Bombers win 82-72...Marcus scores 26 points on 8-21 shooting. 8-17 from three. Cruz-Rivas finishes the night off with a three-point play on an alley oop. Bombers probably have the 4th spot locked up, barring a Cornell-esque egg-laying against Elmira.

Marcus' 17 attempts from three have to be in the vicinity of a school record. His eight makes were just two away from tying the record set by Vince Perrine.

On the subject of the Bombers recent attempts to lose/hang on to the four seed, tonight's game illustrates something that a buddy of mine brought up. Only 7 Bombers got minutes tonight. That's sort of par for the course, as they really only give seven guys playing regular playing time. You wonder if the pace they play at is sustainable for a long season, especially for all these freshman.

Now, I'm not blaming anyone. You've gotta play the guys that give you the best chance to win and they graduated a ton of minutes last season, but there may just be some tired legs on the Bombers.

Some of this could be the schedule, but just looking at the first half of the year vs. the 2nd

1st 12 games: 88.9 PPG
Since: 80 PPG

It's not scientific obviously, but that's a pretty big drop in PPG. These guys may just need another year to get their legs under them, and from what I hear, some impact freshman should be able to spell minutes next season, so next year they may be able to keep the pedal to the floor all season long

[sjfcards]

If Ithaca loses to Stevens on Friday, and RIT wins out, who gets the 4 seed? Does Ithaca loss to Utica keep them out of the tournament?

[bomber3]

ithaca clinches a berth unless Elmira rallies from the 38-7 hole they've dug in the first half...

[Bombers798891]

ithaca clinches a berth unless Elmira rallies from the 38-7 hole they've dug in the first half...

It was 43-10 Bombers at the half. 48-24 now.

Ok, so I'm just going to ask: How in the **** did Elmira even stay on the court with St. John Fisher? They missed more easy shots (and more shots badly) than any team I've ever seen at this level. Layups, open jumpers, you name it, they missed it. And most of the time, they weren't close. Maybe it's one of those cold shooting days, but it was pretty tough to watch

[Bombers798891]

Bombers win going away 81-52.

Tom Brown goes out in style on senior day, with 19 points and 11 rebounds. He makes seven of his eight shots. Barerra with 17 and 15.

A 22-0 run by Ithaca over 8:14 in which Elmira missed 18 straight shots really ended it. Elmira went 4-36 overall from the floor in the first half.

[Bombers798891]

Hartwick upsets Stevens 65-61 which makes things interesting. If the Bombers beat Stevens on Friday, they would clinch the three seed and play Naz in the first round, which is clearly preferable to Fisher.

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber 79.... I am A LITTLE CONFUSED ( WHICH IS NOT UNUSUAL), darn that caps key, if IC beats Stevens and Fischer beats NAZ, at that point Stevens is still ahead of NAZ, because Stevens beat Fisher... If my Tigers beat Stevens and you beat Stevens then Stevens is the 4 seed, because they beat Fisher, which would be the tie breaker with us. We need to win out and have you lose two, Stevens and Alfred, OR Stevens to lose all three which would mean they lose to Elmira at home    Do I have that right.........?   Did anyone see the Hartwick game, I find it hard to believe........ I didn't see the game, and don't know what happened. By the fouls against... could it have been senior day at Hartwick....Stevens seemed to outshoot them, but from the foul line Hartwick had the big advantage something like 12 foul shots to 30....But it could also have been that "looking ahead theory of mine"  in any event I need Alfred and or Elmira to help out.   By the way if I have anything backwards here, A little help please.    

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber Hold on you can't lose two, you only play once..........If you lose to Stevens and we win out who gets the tie breaker between us? I am guessing you because you said a win against Elmira clinches..... I believe you, but explain.....

[magicman]

Bomber Hold on you can't lose two, you only play once..........If you lose to Stevens and we win out who gets the tie breaker between us? I am guessing you because you said a win against Elmira clinches..... I believe you, but explain.....

FROMAFAR,
It's actually very simple. In order to get the 4th seed RIT has to win out and Stevens has to lose out. The best RIT can do is get 10 wins. Both Naz and Ithaca already have 10 wins. If RIT wins out and Naz loses their last 2 games they both finish 10-6 and head to head are 1-1. Going down the teams from top to bottom both Naz and RIT would be tied against Fisher, Stevens and Ithaca. The next team, Hartwick, would be the tiebreaker and Naz is 2-0 against them while RIT is 1-1 so RIT cannot beat Naz. In the matchup against Ithaca, it's more of the same. If RIT wins out and Ithaca loses it's remaining game they both finish 10-6. Head to head they're 1-1. Going down the standings Ithaca and RIT would be tied against Fisher, Naz, and Stevens, but once again Ithaca is 2-0 against Hartwick and RIT is1-1 and Ithaca wins the tiebreaker. If RIT  defeats Stevens and finishes in a tie with the Ducks at either 9-7 or 10-6 Stevens wins the tiebreaker by virtue of a 1-1 record against Fisher vs RIT's 0-2 record against Fisher. So a Stevens win or RIT loss and the Tigers are eliminated. They can only get in with a 10-6 record and Stevens has to end up at 9-7. In the event there is a 3 or 4 way tie at 10-6 between these teams (slim chance, but it could happen) RIT would again lose any tiebreaker. Hope that clarifies things for you. Sorry for the bad news. I could see the possibility of Stevens losing to Ithaca and RIT but there's just no way they can lose to Elmira in Hoboken.