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magicman

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bomber3,

My guess would be that the people voting for these awards probably put more emphasis on scoring rather than assists. Thompson had 420 points for the season which was a Hobart record for a freshman. He also was among the league leaders in a number of categories and was Liberty League rookie of the week on 8 occasions. Rossi was outstanding as well winning E8 rookie of the week 7 different times and probably could just as easily won the award. The SID's are the ones voting for these awards and sometimes for whatever reason a school's SID may not turn in a vote. Some SID's are loyal to their conference while others may feel someone from another conference is clearly the best choice and vote accordingly.If for instance all SID's voted for a player within their conference and one conference (NEAC or SUNYAC) has more teams than another conference (E8 or LL) then it's easy to get 2 good players from one team on the All Region team. I'm not saying that's what happened in the case of the SUNYIT players because those guys were deserving of their awards and either one could have made a case for being Player of the Year instead of McAdam.  And I can't argue the fact that 2 Wells College players were chosen because I didn't see them play. But notice that no Rochester, Medaille, or NYU players are on the list. It's possible that because those teams are in leagues that comprise different regions they don't benefit by having 8 or 10 East region SID's. No St. John Fisher player as well and they had the best record of any East Region team. These awards are nice but they are not always awarded to the most deserving. You can probably make a case for a dozen or more players to have made this list that didn't. You take them for what they are and move on.    

magicman

Corey McAdam of Nazareth and Josh Sharlow of St. Lawrence have been chosen to play on the East team of the NABC Division III All Star Game that will take place in Salem, Virginia this Saturday at 10:30 AM.

Their will be a live video broadcast of the game, with Pat Coleman, Joe Davis and Dave McHugh on the call from Salem. The game will precede the National Championship game which will begin at 1:00 PM.

Here is a list of the players chosen and the team they will play on:

West Team
Coach: Rick Bowen, UW-River Falls
No. Name School Ht. Hometown
1 Kola Alade Austin College 6-2 Murphy, Texas
3 John Hoch Carroll 5-10 Colgate, Wis.
12 Sean Wallis Washington U. 6-3 Northbrook, Ill.
22 Stephen Fields Virginia Wesleyan 6-2 Hampton, Va.
23 Dustin Mitchell UW-Whitewater 6-9 Lac du Flambeau, Wis.
34 Kyle Meyer Ohio Northern 6-5 Columbus Grove, Ohio
44 Nate Montgomery Whitworth 6-8 Sammamish, Wash.
52 John Mantel Calvin 6-9 Chelsea, Mich.

To be added depending on semifinal results:

No. Name School Ht. Hometown
11  Clay Henson  Guilford  6-2  Glen Alpine, N.C. 
11  Michael Strickland  Randolph-Macon  5-11  Myrtle Beach, S.C. 
20  Matt Moses  UW-Stevens Point  6-2  Fon du Lac, Wis. 
21 Blake Schultz Williams  6-3  Atherton, Wis. 

East Team
Coach: Mike Beitzel, Hanover
No. Name School Ht. Hometown
3 Corey McAdam Nazareth 6-1 Fairport, N.Y.
11 Josh Sharlow St. Lawrence 5-9 Norwood, N.Y.
12 Darnell Braswell DeSales 6-1 Allentown, Pa.
21 Richard Jean-Baptiste Brooklyn 6-4 Queens, N.Y.
32 Adam Choice Colby 6-5 Newport, R.I.
33 Terrell Hollins Brandeis 6-4 Springfield, Mass.
35 Abdoulaye Ouedraogo William Paterson 6-8 Newark, N.J.
40 Kevin Misevicius Cabrini 6-6 Allentown, Pa.

To be added depending on semifinal results:

No. Name School Ht. Hometown
2 Tim Lawrence Randolph-Macon 6-1 Verona, N.J.
15 Tyler Sanborn Guilford 6-9 Elkin, N.C.
25 Evan Sweeney UW-Stevens Point 6-2 Appleton, Wis.
44 Joe Geoghegan Williams 6-8 Cape Elizabeth, Maine

Pat Coleman

Quote from: magicman on March 16, 2010, 05:51:00 PM
bomber3,

My guess would be that the people voting for these awards probably put more emphasis on scoring rather than assists. Thompson had 420 points for the season which was a Hobart record for a freshman. He also was among the league leaders in a number of categories and was Liberty League rookie of the week on 8 occasions. Rossi was outstanding as well winning E8 rookie of the week 7 different times and probably could just as easily won the award. The SID's are the ones voting for these awards and sometimes for whatever reason a school's SID may not turn in a vote. Some SID's are loyal to their conference while others may feel someone from another conference is clearly the best choice and vote accordingly.If for instance all SID's voted for a player within their conference and one conference (NEAC or SUNYAC) has more teams than another conference (E8 or LL) then it's easy to get 2 good players from one team on the All Region team.

We made a change this year to help eliminate that possibility -- not every SID was given a ballot. At the time of nominations we asked SIDs if they were interested in voting, and we gave ballots out per conference at a ratio of one for every four schools in the sport. That way we didn't end up with proportional misrepresentation if the SUNYAC were more effective at turning out the vote than the LL, etc.
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magicman

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2010, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: magicman on March 16, 2010, 05:51:00 PM
bomber3,

My guess would be that the people voting for these awards probably put more emphasis on scoring rather than assists. Thompson had 420 points for the season which was a Hobart record for a freshman. He also was among the league leaders in a number of categories and was Liberty League rookie of the week on 8 occasions. Rossi was outstanding as well winning E8 rookie of the week 7 different times and probably could just as easily won the award. The SID's are the ones voting for these awards and sometimes for whatever reason a school's SID may not turn in a vote. Some SID's are loyal to their conference while others may feel someone from another conference is clearly the best choice and vote accordingly.If for instance all SID's voted for a player within their conference and one conference (NEAC or SUNYAC) has more teams than another conference (E8 or LL) then it's easy to get 2 good players from one team on the All Region team.

We made a change this year to help eliminate that possibility -- not every SID was given a ballot. At the time of nominations we asked SIDs if they were interested in voting, and we gave ballots out per conference at a ratio of one for every four schools in the sport. That way we didn't end up with proportional misrepresentation if the SUNYAC were more effective at turning out the vote than the LL, etc.

Pat,
Change is good. Does that mean that the 8 team Liberty League and Empire 8 (9 teams) each got 2 ballots? And the 10 team NEAC and SUNYAC also each got 2 ballots since a league would need 12 teams to get 3 ballots?

Pat Coleman

Yes, except that the NEAC women got a third ballot.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

bomber3

#7460
OK thanks for the clarification.  It's not a glaring omission in my mind choosing Thompson over Rossi but I think Rossi got a raw deal.  Yes, no U of R, NYU, St. Lawrence, Fisher or Medaille players is another issue.  Fisher didn't have a standout player so I can see why though.  Someone said it on the LL board but Josh Sharlow from St. Lawrence should have been on second team.  Had a very solid career and St. Lawrence made NCAA's.

Heres the breakdown of awards by conference (includes POY/COY/ROY so 13 awards in total):

NEAC: 5
SUNYAC: 3
E8:3
LL: 2
Other: 0

Now I won't bash the NEAC because SUNYIT made the sweet 16, but taking 5 of the 13 total awards in the region might be a little much...

buck1053

I can't speak for Bullock from Wells, he didn't stand out to me in the only game I saw them play this season, but Paulino is a beast.

I believe he was two-time player of the year when he was at Finger Lakes CC, where he attended before Wells. He can rebound, score, pass the ball and move up and down the court with ease.

His numbers this season also were pretty decent -- and, yes, I know Wells plays in the NEAC and has no schedule to speak of -- 17.1 points per game, 16.5 rebounds per game, 2.8 assists per game and 2.6 blocks per game, while shooting 69.9 percent from the field, in 29.9 minutes per game. Those are pretty impressive.

He wasn't the leading scorer on the team, Bullock was tops with 19 ppg. Bullock also averaged 3.9 assists in 32.9 minutes per game. His numbers don't stand out nearly as much as Paulino's.

I know numbers don't tell the whole story, but from seeing Paulino play, you could tell how good he was. He would have been dominant no matter what league he played in, and might have even scored more with a better coach. The Wells coach is a complete joke and has only done OK there because the school is desperate to have males there and have relaxed admissions standards to accomodate that -- to the benefit of the hoops team.

magicman

#7462
The National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) named their All-District and All-American teams today:

Here is the East Region All-District Teams:
*Denotes Player of the Year

First Team                                 Second Team
*Corey McAdam, Nazareth              Keith Jensen, NYU
Josh Sharlow, St. Lawrence               Diloo Brown, SUNYIT
Brian Beckford, Oneonta                    Phil Barera, Ithaca
Keith Hack, Medaille                          Matt Pebole, Hobart
Chris Ruiz, Plattsburg State                Matt Newman, St. John Fisher
Dave Golembiowski, SUNYIT
Coach of the Year: Kevin Grimmer – SUNYIT

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/2010D3All-America.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/2010D3All-District.pdf

All-Americans

1st Team
Tyler Sanborn, Guilford, 6-9, Senior, Center, Elkin, N.C.
Blake Schultz, Williams, 6-3, Senior, Guard/Forward, Atherton, Calif.
Ian Franks, Wooster, 6-4, Junior, Guard, Greenwich, Ohio
Dustin Mitchell, UW-Whitewater, 6-9, Senior, Forward/Center, Lac Du Flambeau, Wis.
Marcel Esonwune, York (NY), 6-6, Junior, Forward/Center, Lagos, Nigeria
Darnell Braswell, DeSales, 6-1, Senior, Guard, Allentown, Pa.
Corey McAdam, Nazareth, 6-1, Senior, Guard, Fairport, N.Y.
Steve Djurickovic, Carthage, 6-3, Junior, Guard, Pleasant Prairie, Wis.

2nd Team
Trey Drake, North Carolina Wesleyan, 5-8, Senior, Guard, Emporia, Va.
Noel Hollingsworth, MIT, 6-9, Sophomore, Forward, Salt Lake City, Utah
Kyle Meyer, Ohio Northern, 6-5, Senior, Forward, Columbus Grove, Ohio
Nate Montgomery, Whitworth, 6-8, Senior, Center, Sammamish, Wash.
Abdoulaye Ouedraogo, William Paterson, 6-8, Senior, Forward, Newark, N.J.
James McNally, Franklin & Marshall, 6-6, Junior, Forward, Bridgewater, N.J.
Josh Sharlow, St. Lawrence, 5-9, Senior, Guard, Norwood, N.Y.
John Hoch, Carroll, 5-10, Senior, Guard, Colgate, Wis.

3rd Team
Greg Hernandez, Maryville, 6-6, Senior, Center, Miami, Fla.
Adam Choice, Colby, 6-5, Senior, Forward, Newport, R.I.
Michael McClary, Olivet, 6-5, Junior, Center, Bellaire, Mich.
Tyler Nicolai, St. Thomas, 5-11, Junior, Guard, Minnetonka, Minn.
Richard Jean-Baptiste, Brooklyn, 6-4, Senior, Forward, Queens, N.Y.
Nick Brady, York (PA), 6-2, Senior, Guard, Hanover, Pa.
Brian Beckford, Oneonta, 6-9, Senior, Forward, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Sean Wallis, Washington University (St. Louis), 6-2, Graduate, Guard, Northbrook, Ill.

NABC selects All-Americans differently than D3hoops.  They pick one player from each region for each All-America team.  So the best player in each region is 1st team, 2nd best is 2nd team, and 3rd best is 3rd team.




bomber3

Quote from: buck1053 on March 17, 2010, 05:29:01 PM
I can't speak for Bullock from Wells, he didn't stand out to me in the only game I saw them play this season, but Paulino is a beast.

I believe he was two-time player of the year when he was at Finger Lakes CC, where he attended before Wells. He can rebound, score, pass the ball and move up and down the court with ease.

His numbers this season also were pretty decent -- and, yes, I know Wells plays in the NEAC and has no schedule to speak of -- 17.1 points per game, 16.5 rebounds per game, 2.8 assists per game and 2.6 blocks per game, while shooting 69.9 percent from the field, in 29.9 minutes per game. Those are pretty impressive.

He wasn't the leading scorer on the team, Bullock was tops with 19 ppg. Bullock also averaged 3.9 assists in 32.9 minutes per game. His numbers don't stand out nearly as much as Paulino's.

I know numbers don't tell the whole story, but from seeing Paulino play, you could tell how good he was. He would have been dominant no matter what league he played in, and might have even scored more with a better coach. The Wells coach is a complete joke and has only done OK there because the school is desperate to have males there and have relaxed admissions standards to accomodate that -- to the benefit of the hoops team.

I never looked at the stats -- averaging 17 points and 16 rebounds is impressive.  But pick one or the other -- they weren't good enough to get two on the team, SUNYIT was though.

And the NABC (Coaches who see every game, not SIDs who see stats) awards are more realistic and reasonable.  Josh Sharlow, who by Magic's post would was deemed second best player (or most valuable) in the region by the coaches, was omitted from the D3 hoops all-region team.  I might put Brown from SUNYIT on first team but that might be nitpicking. Congrats to all the winners...

magicman

East squad wins the All-Star game 109-107 in overtime. Clay Henson of Guilford led the West Squad with 35 points and was the game's leading scorer. Abdoulaye Oeudraogo from William Paterson led the East Squad with 18 points. Josh Sharlow of St. Lawrence had a great all-around game, as he made a nice feed to Darnell Braswell for an open layup with 2 seconds left in the game. Braswell was hammered and missed the lay-in but went to the line and made the 2 foul shots that accounted for the winning points. Sharlow scored 10 points, had 5 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks. Hensen was unconscious as he drained three pointer after three pointer from all over the court. I don't know if they had an MVP for the game but he was clearly it.

Corey McAdam of Nazareth also played well as he scored 8 points for the East Squad, but it seemed to me that the group of players that Corey played with didn't share the ball as well as the group of players that Josh played with. The only time that both Corey and Josh were on the court together was in the overtime period. Good to see both East Region players do well. Both players also had an in game interview with Pat Coleman when they were on the bench between shifts. Pat did get Corey to admit how much he disliked Fisher. ;D 

magicman

D3Hoops announced this year's All American Teams prior to Saturday's National Championship Game.

Corey McAdam from Nazareth was named to the second team. He was the only player from the East region who was honored. I was surprised that David Golembiowski of SUNYIT was not on the list anywhere. The Preseason All American list had Golembiowski on the 4th team and McAdam on the list of honorable mention players. After the year Golembiowski and SUNYIT had I fail to see why he was omitted from the post season all american awards.

No surprise for the Player of the Year honors as junior guard Steve Djurickovic of Carthage College won that award. Good chance he'll win it next year as well.


Here is the link to see the complete list:

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/menallam10.htm

magicman

DIII News publication has announced their All American teams today.

Tyler Sanborn of Guilford was named as the Player of the Year

Corey McAdam of Nazareth was named to the 4th team

David Golembiowski of SUNYIT was named to the 4th team

Honorable Mention
Chris Ruiz of Plattsburgh State
Brian Beckford Oneonta State
Josh Sharlow of St. Lawrence
Keith Hack Medaille

Here is a link for the complete list:

http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NAATeam10.pdf

Pat Coleman

Quote from: magicman on March 20, 2010, 12:15:12 PM
Corey McAdam of Nazareth also played well as he scored 8 points for the East Both players also had an in game interview with Pat Coleman when they were on the bench between shifts. Pat did get Corey to admit how much he disliked Fisher. ;D 

This didn't take a lot of prodding. :)
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Bombers798891

Quote from: magicman on March 22, 2010, 11:02:13 PM
DIII News publication has announced their All American teams today.

Tyler Sanborn of Guilford was named as the Player of the Year

Corey McAdam of Nazareth was named to the 4th team

David Golembiowski of SUNYIT was named to the 4th team

Honorable Mention
Chris Ruiz of Plattsburgh State
Brian Beckford Oneonta State
Josh Sharlow of St. Lawrence
Keith Hack Medaille

Here is a link for the complete list:

http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NAATeam10.pdf


No Rossi on the freshman list is a minor surprise. Kid leads the nation in APG, but the A/TO ratio was a bit high and the scoring average probably a bit low. So understandable.

magicman

Quote from: Bombers798891 on March 23, 2010, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: magicman on March 22, 2010, 11:02:13 PM
DIII News publication has announced their All American teams today.

Tyler Sanborn of Guilford was named as the Player of the Year

Corey McAdam of Nazareth was named to the 4th team

David Golembiowski of SUNYIT was named to the 4th team

Honorable Mention
Chris Ruiz of Plattsburgh State
Brian Beckford Oneonta State
Josh Sharlow of St. Lawrence
Keith Hack Medaille

Here is a link for the complete list:

http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NAATeam10.pdf


No Rossi on the freshman list is a minor surprise. Kid leads the nation in APG, but the A/TO ratio was a bit high and the scoring average probably a bit low. So understandable.

No Stefan Thompson from Hobart on the freshman team either.  Both Rossi and Thompson should have made their list. Nothing this publication does surprises me though. Last year they omitted numerous D3Hoops All Americans from their 5 All American teams. For 2 consectutive years now they have the D3Hoops Player of the Year (Jimmy Bartolotta and Steve Djurickovic) on their 2nd team. They call themselves the leading authority on small college basketball since 1991, but apparently from all reports they are the only ones who think that is true. A legend in their own mind. ;D