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[FROMAFAR]

Bomber 3.. I was surprised as well, but it really makes sense the way it is  written...That's why there is really no continuity to assists from venue to venue and your right those teams drilling 3's at a steady rate, while it's important to get them the ball, most times it is not really an assist.. I guess threading the needle and passes inside really tell the tale of true assists.  I don't want to lessen Rossi's or McAdams role however, since they do whats necessary to get some points, whether it is an assist or just a good judgement on a pass. 

[Bombers798891]

Bomber 3.. I was surprised as well, but it really makes sense the way it is  written...That's why there is really no continuity to assists from venue to venue and your right those teams drilling 3's at a steady rate, while it's important to get them the ball, most times it is not really an assist.. I guess threading the needle and passes inside really tell the tale of true assists.  I don't want to lessen Rossi's or McAdams role however, since they do whats necessary to get some points, whether it is an assist or just a good judgement on a pass. 

I'd like to see a "missed assists" stat. Somebody makes a pass that would have been an assist if the shot had been made. Sort of like dropped passes in football. Or maybe they go the hockey route and call it "scoring opportunities"

If you think about it, Rossi setting up guys on the outside vs. the inside works against his numbers, since those are lower percentage shots than something thrown in to a guy two feet from the hoop. An easier pass? Sure. But, if you're a PG on a perimeter shooting team, your numbers may decrease through no fault of your own.

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber 79 etc...... That is a very interesting point......The degree of difficulty on the shot after a pass.............. And I thought the assists were subjective... Can you imagine the chaos and inconsistancy if that were part of the criteria......... A stat on missed easy shots after a pass. This is great stuff......... I guess the assist criteria has been around for a long time and as they say, it is what it is......... I can tell you there were a few point guards in the E - 8 who would love to see how many of their good passes in tight quarters got to the team-mate and they blew the layup.......... Actually when they don't hold onto the pass quite often the turn over goes to the passer...That is really not fair............ These are all the nuances that make this a great game.......BUT    

[bomber3]

Bomber 3.. I was surprised as well, but it really makes sense the way it is  written...That's why there is really no continuity to assists from venue to venue and your right those teams drilling 3's at a steady rate, while it's important to get them the ball, most times it is not really an assist.. I guess threading the needle and passes inside really tell the tale of true assists.  I don't want to lessen Rossi's or McAdams role however, since they do whats necessary to get some points, whether it is an assist or just a good judgement on a pass. 

I'd like to see a "missed assists" stat. Somebody makes a pass that would have been an assist if the shot had been made. Sort of like dropped passes in football. Or maybe they go the hockey route and call it "scoring opportunities"

If you think about it, Rossi setting up guys on the outside vs. the inside works against his numbers, since those are lower percentage shots than something thrown in to a guy two feet from the hoop. An easier pass? Sure. But, if you're a PG on a perimeter shooting team, your numbers may decrease through no fault of your own.

I'll disagree with you on that because he is making those passes with a much higher frequency.  IC puts up 25-30 3's a game so there is plenty of opportunity to get assists.  Although they don't shoot a terrible high percentage he is making more passes to 3-point shooters than comparable players passing to the inside. 

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber 3 exactly correct.........  but we are trying to re-invent the wheel here......... The coaches know ( most) what's going on out there......... Someone once said stats are like a crutch... they just hold up........maybe he had a point..........

[bomber3]

Bomber 3 exactly correct.........  but we are trying to re-invent the wheel here......... The coaches know ( most) what's going on out there......... Someone once said stats are like a crutch... they just hold up........maybe he had a point..........

Very true.  Speaking of coaches I see Allegheny College is in search of a new coaching staff.  Current IC assistant Nevada Smtih coached there prior to his arrival at IC -- I have no knowledge of anything but my bet is he somehow winds back up there. 

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber 3, I think you should get in touch with Corey McAdam, and the two of you should put in for the Allegheny job as a tandem........... I know he wants to coach, and you seem to be one of the brighter guys out there that have played the game at this level, with success....... seriously. These D-3 schools would do well to give new blood a chance........ unless they have some alumni who want the job, and fit you and McAdams profiles.........However you may want no part of it........I'm just getting the idea you have a passion, which is what you need to get into that business........  

[bomber3]

Bomber 3, I think you should get in touch with Corey McAdam, and the two of you should put in for the Allegheny job as a tandem........... I know he wants to coach, and you seem to be one of the brighter guys out there that have played the game at this level, with success....... seriously. These D-3 schools would do well to give new blood a chance........ unless they have some alumni who want the job, and fit you and McAdams profiles.........However you may want no part of it........I'm just getting the idea you have a passion, which is what you need to get into that business........  

Haha now thats a noble idea.  Although Allegheny's nightlife is pretty tough to turn down I will pass for now --ask again in five years!  I do appreciate the kind words though.  And you seem to have a certain passion yourself and although I'm not sure what type of background you have, maybe you could give it a shot! Although I'm not sure you could fathom possibly playing against your Tigers...

[FROMAFAR]

Actually I did say I would get back on that...... I didn't play College Basketball, I did a lot of intra-mural type stuff... BIG FISH in small sea..  I am in my 60's and have coached basketball for many years... all kids levels... loved coaching them pre-high school... at that point they don't think they are all Magic Johnsons or Michael Jordans...They actually listen..Funny how you could have a group with less talent than your opponents, but if they knew the fundamentals and just ran BASIC sets, and played defense ALL THE TIME... you would be successful. I think that's why I have this thing about point guards.... Good ones usually control the game and ensure the guys on the court do what you, as a coach, wants..... I am looking forward to next year, as the Tigers finished strong and most are back.... I'll give my pre-season thoughts next October. I know you guys can hardly wait.

[Ethelred the Unready]

Hey the UR job is open.  You guys should both take a run at that....

[buck1053]

Very true.  Speaking of coaches I see Allegheny College is in search of a new coaching staff.  Current IC assistant Nevada Smtih coached there prior to his arrival at IC -- I have no knowledge of anything but my bet is he somehow winds back up there. 

Actually, that job has now been filled.

Jim Driggs, played at Hamilton and actually assisted at U of R (among other places), was their choice.

Here's the link to the story in the local paper:

http://meadvilletribune.com/sports/x1687701195/Gators-tab-Driggs-as-new-mens-basketball-coach

[Ethelred the Unready]

Very true.  Speaking of coaches I see Allegheny College is in search of a new coaching staff.  Current IC assistant Nevada Smtih coached there prior to his arrival at IC -- I have no knowledge of anything but my bet is he somehow winds back up there. 

Actually, that job has now been filled.

Jim Driggs, played at Hamilton and actually assisted at U of R (among other places), was their choice.

Here's the link to the story in the local paper:

http://meadvilletribune.com/sports/x1687701195/Gators-tab-Driggs-as-new-mens-basketball-coach

Good for Driggs.  Nice guy

[bomber3]

Hey the UR job is open.  You guys should both take a run at that....

I didn't know Neer retired.  Not much mention of it on the boards (east region at least).  Was he the longest tenured coach in the region (34 years)?  How long has McVean been at RIT?  In the E8 I can only think of McVean being at RIT longer but I honestly have no idea. Mullins has been at IC for about 10 years and that might be the second longest (Kornaker? Hurley @ Stevens?).

[Ethelred the Unready]

Hey the UR job is open.  You guys should both take a run at that....

I didn't know Neer retired.  Not much mention of it on the boards (east region at least).  Was he the longest tenured coach in the region (34 years)?  How long has McVean been at RIT?  In the E8 I can only think of McVean being at RIT longer but I honestly have no idea. Mullins has been at IC for about 10 years and that might be the second longest (Kornaker? Hurley @ Stevens?).

Neer got the job when Boehim took the SU job.  JB was offered both and was given a deadline by SU to accept the job.  Which he obviously did.

[FROMAFAR]

McVean has been around since early 80's......Hurley was an assistant for 2 years under Loeffler, and a few years for Hayne before that... Head coach 2 years so maybe 6 or 7 years at Stevens........I may be wrong but isn't Lambros still with Hartwick.....  as an assistant, or at least sits on bench... He coached back in the 70's through 90's....I THINK.....